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Game of Thrones: I Guess I AM Too Dumb to Love This Show

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by Jon Friedman
April 11, 2013 6:13 PM
112 Comments
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A few days ago, I asked in a blog post whether I was too smart or too dumb to love Game of Thrones, the HBO vikings hit.

This is the link: http://blogs.indiewire.com/mediamatrix/game-of-thrones-am-i-too-dumb-or-too-smart-to-love-this-show

Lots of my friends, whose pop-culture tastes are sophisticated, have raved about Game of Thrones. I was curiosity to grasp the hubbub so I started watching. I glanced at it off and on because I couldn't make it through an entire broadcast. It wasn't so much that I didn't follow the action -- I had the same problem with HBO's True Blood, too, but I hung in and enjoyed the show's originality. 

But Game of Thrones struck me as a kind of silly excuse for a costume drama, a period piece about vikings and exhibits of very strategic nudity.

I know, I know -- it's my fault. I'm clearly missing something.

I invited readers to send me their comments about whether I was, in fact, too dumb to get it. As it turns out, the consensus is that I am, indeed, too dumb to enjoy the show. To quote the title of my favorite Warren Zevon song, poor, poor pitiful me.(Come to think of it, I bet the late, great Warren would love this show).

One person wrote in the comments section that I was as "dumb as shit" (clever wordplay). Another said I was "so stupid." A third suggested that I had written a screed worthy of no more than a "Facebook rant" (now, that one hurt). Finally, a fan urged me to "to wake up and read a book."

Fair enough.

I'll keep watching Game of Thrones, and I promise to keep you all informed of the progress I'm making.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go check out Facebook. Then I'm going to read a book.

MEDIA MATRIX QUESTION OF THE DAY: Again, I ask you, folks, to tell me what I am missing about the appeal of Game of Thrones? 

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112 Comments

  • t.paineo | July 10, 2014 11:29 PMReply

    Viking show? Are you the ultimate troll or just the ultimate I'm just to cool to like something popular hipster guy? Viking show? Maybe you are too
    dumb for the series because it has nothing to do with vikings.

  • SS | June 26, 2014 8:28 AMReply

    BTW there is obviously something wrong with the submit button on your website!

  • SS | June 26, 2014 8:27 AMReply

    Was just having a conversation like this with my wife last night. I've got better things to read and worry about then complicated fantasy story lines like this. Every time we go to watch one it's like a brand new show to me. ADD is a bitch I guess but I just find it difficult sitting through a whole episode. Having said that I watched all the seasons of Breaking Bad in a month. GoT just cannot keep my attention.

  • SS | June 26, 2014 8:26 AMReply

    Was just having a conversation like this with my wife last night. I've got better things to read and worry about then complicated fantasy story lines like this. Every time we go to watch one it's like a brand new show to me. ADD is a bitch I guess but I just find it difficult sitting through a whole episode. Having said that I watched all the seasons of Breaking Bad in a month. GoT just cannot keep my attention.

  • GM | June 23, 2014 8:59 PMReply

    Definitely not too dumb to love the show... This is pretty much the same as The Wolf of Wall Street, forbidden sadistic hedonism with excuse to be seen as either controversial or complex... Except just masked behind a 'fantasy' drama that chooses misogyny, violence, rape etc as an excuse for 'realism' (emphasis... In a fantasy setting!)... But is subtly glossed (I.e. Pornographic) by good cinematography and art direction/design.. Elements and intention of stories maybe interesting, but obviously not strong enough to have to fill it with the above.... Turning it into more of a soap opera format. I wouldn't say I learnt anything from it and if I did, the lesson would be scary. Equally if I just found it entertaining I find that equally disturbing too. So yeah it ends up seeming pointless and therefore without much appeal.

  • GM | June 23, 2014 8:59 PMReply

    Definitely not too dumb to love the show... This is pretty much the same as The Wolf of Wall Street, forbidden sadistic hedonism with excuse to be seen as either controversial or complex... Except just masked behind a 'fantasy' drama that chooses misogyny, violence, rape etc as an excuse for 'realism' (emphasis... In a fantasy setting!)... But is subtly glossed (I.e. Pornographic) by good cinematography and art direction/design.. Elements and intention of stories maybe interesting, but obviously not strong enough to have to fill it with the above.... Turning it into more of a soap opera format. I wouldn't say I learnt anything from it and if I did, the lesson would be scary. Equally if I just found it entertaining I find that equally disturbing too. So yeah it ends up seeming pointless and therefore without much appeal.

  • GM | June 23, 2014 8:58 PMReply

    Definitely not too dumb to love the show... This is pretty much the same as The Wolf of Wall Street, forbidden sadistic hedonism with excuse to be seen as either controversial or complex... Except just masked behind a 'fantasy' drama that chooses misogyny, violence, rape etc as an excuse for 'realism' (emphasis... In a fantasy setting!)... But is subtly glossed (I.e. Pornographic) by good cinematography and art direction/design.. Elements and intention of stories maybe interesting, but obviously not strong enough to have to fill it with the above.... Turning it into more of a soap opera format. I wouldn't say I learnt anything from it and if I did, the lesson would be scary. Equally if I just found it entertaining I find that equally disturbing too. So yeah it ends up seeming pointless and therefore without much appeal.

  • GM | June 23, 2014 8:58 PMReply

    Definitely not too dumb to love the show... This is pretty much the same as The Wolf of Wall Street, forbidden sadistic hedonism with excuse to be seen as either controversial or complex... Except just masked behind a 'fantasy' drama that chooses misogyny, violence, rape etc as an excuse for 'realism' (emphasis... In a fantasy setting!)... But is subtly glossed (I.e. Pornographic) by good cinematography and art direction/design.. Elements and intention of stories maybe interesting, but obviously not strong enough to have to fill it with the above.... Turning it into more of a soap opera format. I wouldn't say I learnt anything from it and if I did, the lesson would be scary. Equally if I just found it entertaining I find that equally disturbing too. So yeah it ends up seeming pointless and therefore without much appeal.

  • MRad | June 18, 2014 9:20 PMReply

    I've watched every episode of every season. I'm an Ivy League graduate. I enjoy Bergman. I enjoy Lynch (Mulholland Dr. is one of my favorite films, and I didn't find it difficult to understand on first viewing). I love Memento and Pi and Requiem for a Dream. I enjoyed both Vanilla Sky and Abre Los Ojos, neither of which was complicated. I quite like eXistenZ and PT Anderson's early work through Magnolia. Adaptation is boring but easy to get. Alejandro Inarritu is my favorite living filmmaker. I enjoy Six Feet Under, True Blood, and didn't find The Wire at all difficult to follow. Damages was my favorite show when it was on. I was never confused in the Spartacus casting, though everyone is essentially naked, so it's not like costumes help you tell them apart.

    Game of Thrones is ridiculously complex for no good reason. Part of this is casting, in that all the guys essentially look the same (except for SPOILER blondie mcdead king). The women are just scenery. The other part of it is writing, in that nothing happens for whole seasons at a time. It's really quite splendidly bad. I've hate-watched it and I've watched it because my industry job requires it. But it's dreadful, and it's bland, and it's obvious, and it's bad. And you're not dumb.

  • SS | June 26, 2014 8:28 AM

    Was just having a conversation like this with my wife last night. I've got better things to read and worry about then complicated fantasy story lines like this. Every time we go to watch one it's like a brand new show to me. ADD is a bitch I guess but I just find it difficult sitting through a whole episode. Having said that I watched all the seasons of Breaking Bad in a month. GoT just cannot keep my attention.

  • jk | June 17, 2014 3:02 PMReply

    cry, cock, cry, sulk, die, magic, cock, cock, sulk, cry, die, cock, cry, cock, cry, sulk, die, zombie, cry, die, sulk, cry, cry.

    Worst pos teen wank fest I have ever had to lay my eyes on.

  • jk | June 17, 2014 3:02 PMReply

    cry, cock, cry, sulk, die, magic, cock, cock, sulk, cry, die, cock, cry, cock, cry, sulk, die, zombie, cry, die, sulk, cry, cry.

    Worst pos teen wank fest I have ever had to lay my eyes on.

  • Truthman | April 18, 2014 3:22 AMReply

    GoT 12-years old fanboys are so mad
    GoT is retarded, it's supposed to show politics, intrigue, but i'm telling you any mildly competent politicans would wipe his ass with faces of all GoT characters after a year. Their decisions are simply dumb, and have no foundations in logic. sss

  • Truthman | April 18, 2014 3:22 AMReply

    GoT 12-years old fanboys are so mad
    GoT is retarded, it's supposed to show politics, intrigue, but i'm telling you any mildly competent politicans would wipe his ass with faces of all GoT characters after a year. Their decisions are simply dumb, and have no foundations in logic.

  • Truthman | April 18, 2014 3:22 AMReply

    GoT 12-years old fanboys are so mad
    GoT is retarded, it's supposed to show politics, intrigue, but i'm telling you any mildly competent politicans would wipe his ass with faces of all GoT characters after a year. Their decisions are simply dumb, and have no foundations in logic.

  • Truthman | April 18, 2014 3:21 AMReply

    GoT 12-years old fanboys are so mad
    GoT is retarded, it's supposed to show politics, intrigue, but i'm telling you any mildly competent politicans would wipe his ass with faces of all GoT characters after a year. Their decisions are simply dumb, and have no foundations in logic.

  • Truthman | April 18, 2014 3:21 AMReply

    GoT 12-years old fanboys are so mad
    GoT is retarded, it's supposed to show politics, intrigue, but i'm telling you any mildly competent politicans would wipe his ass with faces of all GoT characters after a year. Their decisions are simply dumb, and have no foundations in logic.

  • chris | April 10, 2014 6:14 AMReply

    so here is what game of thrones is not: its neither dumb, nor a cheap ripoff of the lord of the rings. its one of the most intelligent and intricately crafted pieces of fantasy literature ever written and i suspect that george rr martin must have a super high IQ. that said, i do understand how the show polarizes...not because of the bloody, gory, sexually explicit aspects, but because it does get annoying at times to keep track of all the various characters, plots etc. and i am primarily coming from a reader's point of view. i very much enjoyed the first book, but after that i kind of lost interest and had to drag myself through the first sequel because it became a little repetitive and long winded.

  • chris | April 10, 2014 6:14 AMReply

    so here is what game of thrones is not: its neither dumb, nor a cheap ripoff of the lord of the rings. its one of the most intelligent and intricately crafted pieces of fantasy literature ever written and i suspect that george rr martin must have a super high IQ. that said, i do understand how the show polarizes...not because of the bloody, gory, sexually explicit aspects, but because it does get annoying at times to keep track of all the various characters, plots etc. and i am primarily coming from a reader's point of view. i very much enjoyed the first book, but after that i kind of lost interest and had to drag myself through the first sequel because it became a little repetitive and long winded.

  • chris | April 10, 2014 6:14 AMReply

    so here is what game of thrones is not: its neither dumb, nor a cheap ripoff of the lord of the rings. its one of the most intelligent and intricately crafted pieces of fantasy literature ever written and i suspect that george rr martin must have a super high IQ. that said, i do understand how the show polarizes...not because of the bloody, gory, sexually explicit aspects, but because it does get annoying at times to keep track of all the various characters, plots etc. and i am primarily coming from a reader's point of view. i very much enjoyed the first book, but after that i kind of lost interest and had to drag myself through the first sequel because it became a little repetitive and long winded.

  • chris | April 10, 2014 6:14 AMReply

    so here is what game of thrones is not: its neither dumb, nor a cheap ripoff of the lord of the rings. its one of the most intelligent and intricately crafted pieces of fantasy literature ever written and i suspect that george rr martin must have a super high IQ. that said, i do understand how the show polarizes...not because of the bloody, gory, sexually explicit aspects, but because it does get annoying at times to keep track of all the various characters, plots etc. and i am primarily coming from a reader's point of view. i very much enjoyed the first book, but after that i kind of lost interest and had to drag myself through the first sequel because it became a little repetitive and long winded.

  • Amber | April 4, 2014 9:34 PMReply

    It is all about sex and gore, and so are the books.. It's like the author forces the reader to feel emotion which is never a sign of good writing, that said, it's well written. My friends who watch it are honest about how much they enjoy the bloody backstabbing but I couldn't watch it anymore as I'm not sure I can sit through all the deaths that are promised. People who, however, feel so strongly about tv shows and the like aren't exactly ... How should I say? Intelligent. I mean, the day you feel the need to aggressively denounce someone who dislikes your favorite tv show is a bad day, for humanity.

  • Amber | April 4, 2014 9:34 PMReply

    It is all about sex and gore, and so are the books.. It's like the author forces the reader to feel emotion which is never a sign of good writing, that said, it's well written. My friends who watch it are honest about how much they enjoy the bloody backstabbing but I couldn't watch it anymore as I'm not sure I can sit through all the deaths that are promised. People who, however, feel so strongly about tv shows and the like aren't exactly ... How should I say? Intelligent. I mean, the day you feel the need to aggressively denounce someone who dislikes your favorite tv show is a bad day, for humanity.

  • Amber | April 4, 2014 9:33 PMReply

    It is all about sex and gore, and so are the books.. It's like the author forces the reader to feel emotion which is never a sign of good writing, that said, it's well written. My friends who watch it are honest about how much they enjoy the bloody backstabbing but I couldn't watch it anymore as I'm not sure I can sit through all the deaths that are promised. People who, however, feel so strongly about tv shows and the like aren't exactly ... How should I say? Intelligent. I mean, the day you feel the need to aggressively denounce someone who dislikes your favorite tv show is a bad day, for humanity.

  • GoTNo | April 1, 2014 7:18 AMReply

    Naaah...you're not dumb. You're right. It's a bad show, with awful writing. It's got some things in its favor: the acting is very good and it looks fantastic, but it's hampered by - how do I put it? - a pointless, snail's-paced story. You can actually do a "drinking-game" to it. Every time there's a scene in which people get together to talk about something that is going to happen, hoist one. You'll be toppled over by the half-hour mark.

  • GoTNo | April 1, 2014 7:17 AMReply

    Naaah...you're not dumb. You're right. It's a bad show, with awful writing. It's got some things in its favor: the acting is very good and it looks fantastic, but it's hampered by - how do I put it? - a pointless, snail's-paced story. You can actually do a "drinking-game" to it. Every time there's a scene in which people get together to talk about something that is going to happen, hoist one. You'll be toppled over by the half-hour mark.

  • GoTNo | April 1, 2014 7:17 AMReply

    Naaah...you're not dumb. You're right. It's a bad show, with awful writing. It's got some things in its favor: the acting is very good and it looks fantastic, but it's hampered by - how do I put it? - a pointless, snail's-paced story. You can actually do a "drinking-game" to it. Every time there's a scene in which people get together to talk about something that is going to happen, hoist one. You'll be toppled over by the half-hour mark.

  • Erin | February 18, 2014 10:14 PMReply

    Maybe you're just not perverted?? I never wanted to watch Game of Thrones, knowing it would be a really dumb Lord of the Rings ripoff after all I'd heard about it. Then today I changed my mind and decided I'd at least watch a few episodes just because I was bored and thought it might be fun to make fun of. Turns out some chick gets raped in episode 1...only reason I continuted on to episode 2 was because I wanted to see if the little kid lived after getting pushed off of a cliff...turns out he did...and at the end of the second episode the "lord" of the manor kills his kids' pets. I am not screwed up enough in the head to continue watching this, sorry...I honestly think this show started out as a porno or something...just my humble opinion....o.O

  • Erin | February 18, 2014 10:14 PMReply

    Maybe you're just not perverted?? I never wanted to watch Game of Thrones, knowing it would be a really dumb Lord of the Rings ripoff after all I'd heard about it. Then today I changed my mind and decided I'd at least watch a few episodes just because I was bored and thought it might be fun to make fun of. Turns out some chick gets raped in episode 1...only reason I continuted on to episode 2 was because I wanted to see if the little kid lived after getting pushed off of a cliff...turns out he did...and at the end of the second episode the "lord" of the manor kills his kids' pets. I am not screwed up enough in the head to continue watching this, sorry...I honestly think this show started out as a porno or something...just my humble opinion....o.O

  • eric | February 15, 2014 11:57 PMReply

    I don't understand the premise. Where are these people? Why are they always dressed like it's cold but it isn't actually cold?

  • eric | February 15, 2014 11:54 PMReply

    I don't understand the premise. Where are these people? Why are they always dressed like it's cold but it isn't actually cold?

  • JM | February 9, 2014 2:29 AMReply

    I think the opposite. You're too smart to love the show because you realize it's a predictable soap opera with gore and nudity. It lacks originality and people watch it because they're simply satisfied by the rudimentary "boobs and blood" theme.

  • JM | February 9, 2014 2:29 AMReply

    I think the opposite. You're too smart to love the show because you realize it's a predictable soap opera with gore and nudity. It lacks originality and people watch it because they're simply satisfied by the rudimentary "boobs and blood" theme.

  • liz | January 31, 2014 7:11 AMReply

    I find the show more boring than washing the dishes

  • asdf | January 14, 2014 10:01 AMReply

    As long as you don't have children or a car, there is nothing wrong with being as dumb as you are.

  • asdf | January 14, 2014 10:01 AMReply

    As long as you don't have children or a car, there is nothing wrong with being as dumb as you are.

  • asdf | January 14, 2014 10:01 AMReply

    As long as you don't have children or a car, there is nothing wrong with being as dumb as you are.

  • asdf | January 14, 2014 10:00 AMReply

    As long as you don't have children, there is nothing wrong with being as dumb as you are.

  • Mike | November 25, 2013 1:38 PMReply

    I don't think the show requires intelligence to like (I haven't read the books, but from comments they seem to have the same issues, likely even more pronounced). I'll sum it up into two points:

    Characters are undeveloped and often act out what little character they have. If they are even slightly likable, they die.

    No emotional attachment to characters... Check.

    There is no resolution to any storyline or sub-plot. Evil always winning is just as uninteresting as good always winning and less emotionally rewarding.

    Boring... Check.

  • Mike | November 25, 2013 1:37 PMReply

    I don't think the show requires intelligence to like (I haven't read the books, but from comments they seem to have the same issues, likely even more pronounced). I'll sum it up into two points:

    Characters are undeveloped and often act out what little character they have. If they are even slightly likable, they die.

    No emotional attachment to characters... Check.

    There is no resolution to any storyline or sub-plot. Evil always winning is just as uninteresting as good always winning and less emotionally rewarding.

    Boring... Check.

  • Mike | November 25, 2013 1:37 PMReply

    I don't think the show requires intelligence to like (I haven't read the books, but from comments they seem to have the same issues, likely even more pronounced). I'll sum it up into two points:

    Characters are undeveloped and often act out what little character they have. If they are even slightly likable, they die.

    No emotional attachment to characters... Check.

    There is no resolution to any storyline or sub-plot. Evil always winning is just as uninteresting as good always winning and less emotionally rewarding.

    Boring... Check.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • chris m | March 5, 2014 9:51 PM

    "I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy"

    Period costumes? What period do you think the imaginary world of this show happened in?

    the show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist"

    No, try again.

    "But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad."

    Yes. So what?

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • TG | November 23, 2013 6:33 AMReply

    I agree wholeheartedly with the comments panning this show. Nudity does not equate to sophistication; plot complexity does not equate to subtlety; period costume does not equate to accuracy. Instead, all of these elements equate to lazy writing. The show harbours an embarrassing degree of misogyny, and I'm not even a feminist. Hey, if you want to watch sex, try porn. (At least porn doesn't label you an idiot for not "getting it".) But if you want good writing, good direction, and good acting, try Breaking Bad.

  • Ed | October 3, 2013 10:27 AMReply

    C'mon, folks, give it a chance! Winter is coming! In fact, it's just around the corner. And you know what THAT means...you don't? Confidentially, neither do I, but I understand it's going to be AWESOME. And cold! If it ever gets here. Which we are assured -- every 20 minutes -- that it will, eventually...and when it does...watch out!

  • Gabriel | July 31, 2013 6:23 AMReply

    Show is garbage; the most base-level hedonistic morality available to human beings, championed as some kind of 'fresh new sauce,' just because up until this moment in contemporary culture writers have learned from the past and attempted to build upon that which had already been built upon. This shit just takes moral philosophy straight back to square one, and idiots laud it as some kind of brilliant and enlightened masterwork. What a joke. Its popularity is a testament to how pathetic our nation has become, if this qualifies for 'literature.'

  • JR | June 19, 2013 12:53 AMReply

    You're not the only one. After all of the media raving and a particularly good friend who has watched every moment, and then read all of the books...I broke down and bought season 1. Made it through two episodes tonight and it's not too difficult to follow but so far most of it is too dumb to enjoy. Obviously the Stark family has charm but the copious gratuitous bad sex is really bad sex. My husband and I were openly mocking the barbarian group and literally laughing our way through large chunks. When you find yourself sitting there and like Mystery Science 2000...you know that most hope...is lost. "Another classic HBO boob shot"...and me fantasizing about the dragon eggs hatching and eating everyone.

    I get why the college crowd is watching this, but the whole 'you don't like it because you're just too dumb appreciate how clever it is' smacks of the Emperor's New Clothes. No folks, sometimes dumb is merely dumb. Barbarians on horses wearing leather and too much eye makeup with kids wearing grass tunics? Incest? A dwarf in a brothel?

    By the end of episode 1, my husband left the room. I made it through number 2 and not sure if I'm going to bother with the rest. Not a prude but as to sex, it oftentimes is merely there as a cover for bad writing.

  • Alex | June 12, 2013 4:33 AMReply

    It actually isn't all that difficult to figure out what's going on in Game of Thrones, the real difficulty is figuring out why things are going on and why this show is considered an example of good writing. If it was Season 1, I would have agreed that yes, the writing is good, but by now, it's just gore porn. The books are, if you can believe it, even worse. More than once, I've had the distinct and creepy feeling like I'm reading a sadist's genuine fantasy-themed snuff fetish fantasies. That, and it's extremely overrated, to a degree that startles and frightens me. A show is not good because it is dark. In fact, it isn't even well-written because it is dark. I'm not quite sure where to draw the line when it comes to where they jumped the shark. The scene involving stabbing babies? The scene where a magical shadow stabs Renly and then disappears with no real justification for its existence? The scene involving a 14-year-old (or however old he is) boy's sexual sadism? I don't know exactly where to place it, but wherever it started, it jumped the shark, activated a jetpack halfway through the jump, and is currently in low orbit around the Earth. It doesn't know what to do with itself, and I feel bad for it because it started off so strong. Honestly, it worries me when rape and mass murder now outright *bore* me, and it worries me even more that, having read through some of the books, I get the genuine feeling like Martin gets off on all this. The writing started strong. Now it absolutely blows chunks. Some of the actors are top-notch and carry on anyways, but god help them, they MUST be good actors to keep going despite writing this nonsensical and quite frankly, dumb.

  • Richard | June 10, 2013 8:26 PMReply

    This is a show that you have to watch very carefully in order to follow what is going on, but I don't think that makes it nuanced or layered. Cryptic would be a better word for it, unless you have read the books. My problem with the show is that there are so many different subplots going on that it doesn't really delve very deep into any of them or into any of the characters. In one episode, I get 5 minutes of John Snow, 5 minutes Tyrian, 5 minutes of Stannus Barathian, etc. Then, I have to remember that 5 minutes the next week. You have to be pretty dedicated to follow it. And the payoff if you do that is some good action and nudity, but nothing very profound beyond that. Yeah, it's about power struggles, but at a cartoonish level in an artificial world. Perhaps there are some that like that sort of zombie, dragons, stuff, but I don't find it all that interesting. Maybe I'm just too old. I would rather read about real history and real characters, rather than a bunch of made up stuff. I'm not opposed to having to work at following a show if the payoff is big. I had to work a bit at Deadwood to get into it, but once I did, I loved it. But there, the world that they were creating seemed real to me, and the characters were interesting and had depth to them. The only character on Game of Thrones that I find remotely interesting or deep is the imp. The rest are just rough caricatures. Power, revenge, greed. Yes these are true human emotions, but none of them are explored in any depth on Game of Thrones. Maybe in the books its different.

  • Kevin | June 9, 2013 8:34 PMReply

    You're not out of line. George RR. Martin sucks. His story fucking blows. Total waste of time. Boardwalk Empire is the only good show on HBO.

  • Aaron | January 2, 2014 5:30 PM

    I used to think George Martin was a good author. That was based on one short story called "The Sand Kings" written in 1980. It was a Steven King-esque story about an ant farm gotten out of control.

  • Aaron | January 2, 2014 5:30 PM

    I used to think George Martin was a good author. That was based on one short story called "The Sand Kings" written in 1980. It was a Steven King-esque story about an ant farm gotten out of control.

  • Aaron | January 2, 2014 5:13 PM

    I used to think George Martin was a good author. That was based on one short story called "The Sand Kings" written in 1980. It was a Steven King-esque story about an ant farm gotten out of control.

  • Aaron | January 2, 2014 5:13 PM

    I used to think George Martin was a good author. That was based on one short story called "The Sand Kings" written in 1980. It was a Steven King-esque story about an ant farm gotten out of control.

  • Kathleen | June 3, 2013 11:20 PMReply

    Well I don't know about you but I don't think I am getting sucked into Game of Thrones because of a high IQ. I liken it more or less to a bad relationship, and so I commend you for being healthy and disciplined enough to get away. Of course I know it's bad for me to watch all this inhumanity and hate. And every time there's a rape, a baby killing, a reward for a depraved character I tell myself "No more." But then Tyrion says something great and my hope that I'll be treated with respect is renewed. Or more likely they put some incredibly good looking people on the screen and I'm back. Plus there are dragons. Yes it's a lot money shots to put up with just to see some dragons, I know. Don't judge. And now they've gone and massacred some of my favorite characters. I want to leave but that production quality is like sex and candy and so....I'm comforted by the fact that I watch it over the internet so at least I'm not paying for the abuse.

  • PJF | June 3, 2013 5:53 PMReply

    Actually you're just one of the few that are smart enough to see that this over rated tripe is a waste of time.

  • mike | June 2, 2013 9:31 PMReply

    Season was pretty good. Season two and three have not been very good. Nothing ever seems to happen. It is far too confusing; seemingly on purpose. Way too many different storylines happening that the show has become tedious.

  • Judy | June 2, 2013 8:00 AMReply

    If you have a high enough IQ to already understand the "real-life games that are played in the pursuit of power", the "dramatics currently faced by all people on this planet", to have "contemplated the power struggles between man and man, man and woman, woman and woman, or humanity and nature", and to have transcended past the trivialities of the human species to the "big picture", then this is not the show for you...

  • T | June 15, 2014 8:44 AM

    Very well put. In addition, there is nothing witty or funny in their dialogs. After the first episode, I got so bored that my mind started to wonder thinking about other things that had nothing to do with the show because the dialogs were so dumb they require almost zero part of my brain to process that my brain started to find other activities when watching it.

    To sum it up - it is basically a soap opera flooded with blood and sex. At least soap operas usually have both good looking men and women.

    High IQ, seriously? So far all the people I know who find the show boring have IQs higher than 125 (I'm 137).

  • T | June 15, 2014 8:44 AM

    Very well put. In addition, there is nothing witty or funny in their dialogs. After the first episode, I got so bored that my mind started to wonder thinking about other things that had nothing to do with the show because the dialogs were so dumb they require almost zero part of my brain to process that my brain started to find other activities when watching it.

    To sum it up - it is basically a soap opera flooded with blood and sex. At least soap operas usually have both good looking men and women.

    High IQ, seriously? So far all the people I know who find the show boring have IQs higher than 125 (I'm 137).

  • T | June 15, 2014 8:43 AM

    Very well put. In addition, there is nothing witty or funny in their dialogs. After the first episode, I got so bored that my mind started to wonder thinking about other things that had nothing to do with the show because the dialogs were so dumb they require almost zero part of my brain to process that my brain started to find other activities when watching it.

    To sum it up - it is basically a soap opera flooded with blood and sex. At least soap operas usually have both good looking men and women.

    High IQ, seriously? So far all the people I know who find the show boring have IQs higher than 125 (I'm 137).

  • Rob | June 1, 2013 2:52 PMReply

    You're not missing much. I know a lot of people love the premium channel period dramas. But I haven't seen one that grabbed me like Dexter or the Sopranos did. I think they're just an excuse for people to check out T&A and not feel dirty. To me, that's just a distraction. There is less substance than shows that don't focus on the sex. The only premium channel shows I found worth my time were the Sopranos, Dexter, Six Feet Under and Homeland. And also the comedies such as Conchords and Curb your Enthusiasm. But the sex crazed period dramas don't hold a candle to great network shows like Lost, 24, the X-Files or a number of others. The writing on network TV is just far superior. Any AMC or FX show blows Game of Thrones out of the water. And those are basic cable shows. You're spot on. Game of Thrones is the same as most other premium shows. It's just a titty gimmick.

  • Victor | May 18, 2013 3:56 AMReply

    Season 1 was extraordinary. Season 2 was so so. Season 3 sucks. Maybe folks are on a high from season 1 still.

  • Tracy | May 11, 2013 7:52 AMReply

    It's not just you thinking this show is lame, Jon,

    The entire "point" (if you can call it that) of this show is gratuitous violence & sex. That's it. Those who suggest that you simply "don't get it", aren't sophisticated at all- they're just easily titillated & enjoy "soft-porn" (but want to pretend it's art). Imho.

  • Mark | May 19, 2013 2:19 PM

    With all the talk of rape and violent torture scenes, it more like solft-core BDSM. Also with all the displays of the evils of manhood juxtaposed to the will-full, smart and strong women who do no wrong it's also a tad man hating feminist porn. Still, season 1 was very good.

  • Dungeons&Dragons | April 26, 2013 5:07 PMReply

    It is dungeons and dragons campaigns made into a series. That is it. That is what makes it absolutely awesome!

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