The small and humble people of the worldJO:
On a side note, while I don't see
anything as simplistic as a "Christ figure" in the Coens' films, I do
love the way some have speculated that "The Dude" himself is a
"holy fool" who acts as a sort of signpost toward Jesus. We see him
doing carpentry (badly). We see him "taking it easy for all us
sinners." He walks around in a robe, and hangs out with all manner of
fools and crooks without an inclination toward judgment. He even bowls
alongside a "false Christ" ("The Jesus"). And what does he
drink at the grocery? Okay, I know, it's a crazy stretch, probably a
coincidence, but I love the suggestion of "dual nature of Christ" in
the carton of half-and-half. (Cathleen Falsani has a whole book on this, by the
way: The Dude Abides: The Gospel According
to the Coen Brothers
The Coens love the fact that God uses
the small and humble people of the world to shame the greater.
MZS: Well, I didn't want to come at this head-on, because it seems very un-Coen-like, but you went there first: I take it you believe that the Coens believe in God?
JO: Accept the mystery.
Okay, more directly: I think they believe
in grace. I think that they're likely to give the great mystery enough respect
that they won't name him. They'd rather show than tell. Or, if you will — they
don’t believe in God, they believe in G-d. That's my inclination.
But then again, many great artists
who profess to profound doubts, cynicism, agnosticism, have given us inspiring theological art. Listen to Woody Allen say he doesn't believe in
right and wrong, or good and evil, or God. But then he tells stories about men
who, when they commit all manner of sins, are haunted, conflicted,
Perhaps the Coens' films are another
case of the art knowing more than the artists. And that is what should matter
anyway. I don't much care what the artist believes. I care to discern what the
Annie Dillard once wrote, "There
is no such thing as an artist: there is only the world, lit or unlit as the
light allows. When the candle is burning, who looks at the wick? When the
candle is out, who needs it? But the world without light is wasteland and
chaos, and a life without sacrifice is abomination." I love that. Give me
the work and its mystery. Don’t ask me what the artist believes.
Then what do you think the work reveals, about God, about faith, about the possibility of a moral code that can help us make sense of things? I feel like the Coens are very culturally conservative beneath it all, and not anything close to the snickering secular humanists you might think they are, considering their reputation as pranksters. I felt like the Nihilists in The Big Lebowski
were the Coens' playful mockery of critics who've called them Nihilists—"Ja, we are nihilists, we believe in nothing!" they repeat, chasing the hero through his dreams with huge castrating scissors. The Coens aren't nihilists. They believe in something
. And yet they don't spell that something out. It emerges organically while you're watching their films, maybe because they're not entirely sure what "it" is, either. They can see the contours but not the details, maybe? It's tricky and very subjective, what they're doing, and what we're doing as we watch they're doing. It's like looking for shapes in clouds. You see what you want to see, and maybe you're right to see it, or maybe if you were a couple of miles in the other direction you'd see something else entirely.
There's an aspect to their work that reminds me of going to Sunday school as a kid, and I don't mean that as a knock, not at all. It also reminds me of hearing my grandfather tell stories about his childhood by way of moral instruction. They're illuminating the universe, or at least exploring it. But they're not going about it in a didactic way. There's something fundamentally humble about them, as visually and structurally and generically flamboyant as they sometimes are. I feel like they're figuring things out, too—figuring themselves out, figuring the world out, and laughing at themselves, and the rest of us, for thinking there's An Answer to anything.
JO: I get why it reminds you of Sunday School,
but I never get the sense that they're lecturing. I get the sense that they're
holding up a mirror to all of humanity, themselves included, and showing us
what a hilarious and pathetic mess we all — Coens included — make of things. I
think Barton Fink has self-critique
built into it — they're making intellectual movies, but they know that even
ambitious art like that can only go so far. Their constant nods to Sullivan’s Travels, especially in Hudsucker and O Brother, tell us that they know that there is redemption in a
certain kind of self-effacing laughter. I suspect they see themselves as Larry Gopniks...
exasperated by the insanity in the people around them, but then capable of
perpetuating that same destruction with their own judgmentalism and compromise.
What many people perceive as
condescension, as "sneering at their characters" ... I disagree with
that characterization. I tend to see that as a sign of their humility, maybe
even compassion, and above all... affection. We are deeply moved when Tom Reagan
shows mercy to Bernie in Miller’s
Crossing. We feel that something has died when he becomes the figure of
wrath later. Visceral responses like that are what we need in order to remember
what is really at stake in this world. And I love their films for triggering
those responses, and making me look for signs of beauty and grace in this
world. As Dylan sings – and I can’t wait to see them visit Dylan’s scene in
their next film! — "It's not dark yet, but it's gettin' there."
Chuck Jones clearly loved his Looney Toons characters. He loved their language, their exaggerated features, their cleverness, their vanity, their folly. But he loved those characters
. And his depictions of human folly in the circus of those cartoons was a form of insightful humility, about all of us ridiculous human beings. So I think the Coens’ work disturbs audiences because it reminds us that, contrary to so many Hollywood messages, "being good" isn't the answer. Being good is good, but—as Bill Murray says in Wes Anderson's Moonrise Kingdom
—it isn't enough to fix things. Their movies "ring true" when they remind us that there is a "wrath that's about to set down," as Rooster Cogburn says. If that wasn't true, it wouldn't strike such a resonant chord in audiences. The Lone Biker of the Apocalypse in Raising Arizona
is coming, and there's something elemental and true about him. We ourselves have unleashed him, as H.I. declares. In No Country
, we're warned that we "can't stop what's comin'." There is a moral code, yes, and we violate it in countless ways. We're screwed.
But their work doesn't stop there. It engages and encourages us by leaving us with moments that transcend all of that doom, all of that destruction. Their suggestion of the possibility of grace is not so much a sermon proclamation as a desperate hope.
And it wouldn't move us so deeply if the anticipation of grace weren’t built into us somehow. It moves us because, on some level, we know it's true. Jeffrey Overstreet is the author of a “memoir of dangerous moviegoing” called Through a Screen Darkly
, and a four-volume series of fantasy novels called The Auralia Thread
, which includes Auralia’s Colors, Cyndere’s Midnight, Raven’s Ladder, and
The Ale Boy’s Feast. Jeffrey is a contributing editor for Seattle Pacific University’s
Response magazine, and he writes about art, faith, and culture for
Image, Filmwell, and his own website, LookingCloser.org.
Matt Zoller Seitz is the co-founder of Press Play. His book-length interview with Wes Anderson, The Wes Anderson Collection, will be published in October, 2013, by Abrams Books.