Filmenthusiast2000 (12:06:55): I saw Wedding Crashers.
robbiefreeling (12:07:48): i bet it's truly great
robbiefreeling (12:07:55): two of the most nattering twats in film
robbiefreeling (12:08:01): together!
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:08:17): I like Owen Wilson, but it's a movie that's got its heart in the wrong place.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:08:50): A big plus: it doesn't like gays!
robbiefreeling (12:09:10): no one does, nick. We�re hated.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:09:24): Not this openly, though.
robbiefreeling (12:09:29): really?
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:09:40): It's kind of repulsive.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:09:57): And bear in mind who is saying this.
robbiefreeling (12:10:00): how so? is there a gay wedding played for minstrel-ish laughs?
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:10:27): No, there's a squirming, introverted homo son in the family of Chris Walken.
robbiefreeling (12:11:13): does it purport to be one of those equal-opportunity bigot movies...all churlishly anti-PC, by making its gay character hatable?
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:11:32): Not hatable, just profoundly creepy.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:11:54): Obviously deeply disturbed.
robbiefreeling (12:12:07): does he come on to Owen or Vince? Note: as a gay man, I can guarantee this probably wouldn't happen.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:12:16): Vince.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:12:33): "We had a moment at the dinner table"
robbiefreeling (12:13:09): Remember when Vince shook his little toosh in Gus "If I Only Had a Brain to Go With My 'Aesthetic'" Van Sant's elegant Psycho remake?
robbiefreeling (12:13:22): that was a genius touch
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:13:27): God, I totally forgot he was in that.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:13:39): I only remember Viggo Mortensen's sleazy cowboy.
robbiefreeling (12:13:43): yeah, man...he was....Norman Bates
robbiefreeling (12:13:48): Viggo was nekkid
robbiefreeling (12:13:53): the rest is a blur
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:13:56): He jacked off.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:14:02): Vince did.
robbiefreeling (12:14:54): Yes, everyone who's coming all over the Kurt Cobain flick this weekend: please remember, Gus Van Sant brilliantly reimagined Norman Bates as...jacking off while looking through the peephole
robbiefreeling (12:15:09): he literalized the metaphor, get it??!!
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:15:32): Filling in the blanks of classic cinema, by Gus Van Sant and Todd Haynes
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:16:28): Because repressed homosexuality NEVER cropped up in Hollywood's Golden Age before Far From Heaven
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:16:47): Just as 9 Songs invented sex on the screen
robbiefreeling (12:17:37): It's come to the point where i greatly distrust almost every representation of sex onscreen....i wish i could classify that as strictly hetero, but since I have no option....
robbiefreeling (12:17:51): i guess I'll have to wait for the John Cameron Mitchell movie
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:18:03): Oh fucking Jesus.
robbiefreeling (12:18:30): J. Cameron Mitchell is the shining beacon for gay sex
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:18:56): I found Hedwig pretty deadening, but...
robbiefreeling (12:19:14): I'm a big HEDWIG fan, but chalk that up to whatever stereotype you want.
robbiefreeling (12:19:55): but seriously, back to WEDDING CRASHERS and how much Hollywood hates us gays....
robbiefreeling (12:19:59): what else happens?
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:20:14): Meet the Parents
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:20:22): hi-jinks
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:20:33): buddies. bonding.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:20:45): jokes.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:21:10): "indie rock"
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:22:48): It's not exactly over-stocked with black people wither, this movie.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:22:55): wither=either
robbiefreeling (12:23:03): withering
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:23:38): It's a high-fivin' white guy flick.
robbiefreeling (12:23:50): gay-bashing in mainstream film (oh excuse me, light mockery) is completely ok because gays themselves eat it up onscreen
robbiefreeling (12:24:06): it's like Stepin Fetchit...well, at least there's SOMETHING
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:25:25): Listen, nobody likes stereotypes played up for laughs more than me--I can't name a blackface routine that hasn't put me in stitches--but this one... I really don't like the demographic that this thing's being lobbed at is all.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:25:50): Alan Cumming in Eyes Wide Shut? GOLD!
robbiefreeling (12:26:01): well, that's another story
robbiefreeling (12:26:26): the only time I could ever stomach Alan Cumming
robbiefreeling (12:26:49): very Bronson Pinchot in Blame It on the Bellboy
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:26:50): Usually the swishes at least get to be wacky or mince or something... This one was just... grotesque.
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:27:15): Ah, but young Rachel McAdams!
robbiefreeling (12:27:38): does she have the charm and spitfire of say, Michelle Williams?
Filmenthusiast2000 (12:27:48): Nay, nay.
