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Carlton Says That Aunt Viv Was Nuts

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by Sergio
December 31, 2011 9:33 AM
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Carlton

So considering that Tambay's item from a few days ago (HERE) about Janet Hubert having some very not nice things to say about Will Smith from their time working together on Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, got a ton of interest and comments from people, it's time for a sequel. This time it's up to Alfonso Ribeiro AKA Carlton to tell his side of the story.

And what he said, at a recent appearence at a State University of New York, about Hubert, ain't pretty. Why can't we get along folks?

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22 Comments

  • Africasacountry | January 1, 2012 7:42 PMReply

    I'm a big fan of S&A, but this Ribiero video was first posted on video in January 2009. This could be interpreted as a cheap attempt at pageviews.

  • befree1619 | January 1, 2012 5:39 PMReply

    Will bad mouthed her in the press first as a preemptive strike.
    During the highly publicized fallout in 1993, Smith blasted Hubert for her attitude.

    "I can say straight up that Janet Hubert wanted the show to be 'The Aunt Viv of Bel Air Show' because I know SHE IS GOING to dog me in the press," he told an Atlanta radio station. "She has basically gone from a quarter of a million dollars a year to nothing. She's mad now but she's been mad all along. She said once, I've been in the business for 10 years and this snotty-nosed punk comes along and gets a show.' No matter what, to her I'm just the AntiChrist."

  • Neziah | December 31, 2011 5:12 PMReply

    I'm not picking sides, but don't act like Hubert is a saint either. She was the one who didn't take notice that the Fresh Prince was Will Smith's show, hence the title.

  • Ciara Gee | January 4, 2012 2:07 AM

    @Nadine --- definitely tell her to email me at ciara.j.gee@gmail.com or touch base with me on facebook by searching my username which is the same as stated here (Ciara Gee). feel free to friend me if you're on there! good luck with the rest of this discussion. i stand by my first comment. nuff said. : )

  • Akimbo | January 2, 2012 2:38 PM

    I am very aware of the issues you've raised, and I consider myself a feminist who is very aware of interlocking systems of oppression and colorism (see all the actress replacements on "My Wife and Kids); I just think that, in this case, these are just excuses being made for one person whose personality clashed with her cast mates. You say that you don't really know what happened, which means you don't know whether Hubert was pulled aside or whether there were any mediation attempts; you just keep speculating about this Smith/Medina/Ribeiro (Alfonso being the HUGE power player that he is) "boys club," terrorizing poor, elderly Hubert who just didn't understand how to talk to young people. And I don't see the problem with mentioning the other women involved, when people are specifically postulating that this was a gender issue. How Winifred Hervey looks really has little to do with it; she's not an actress, and we don't even know the skin tones of the other women behind the scenes. I'm going to requote the article that you yourself posted: "I reprimanded him CONSTANTLY for being rude to problem[sic] and locking himself up in his room." Those are her words. Trying to blame her nominating herself as the "set police" on management issues seems like a straw grasp to me. Even though they often get the short end of the stick, it IS actually possible for the dark-skinned woman to actually be the problem every once in a while. There's that one person in every office; sets are no different. I maintain that I don't think Smith is blameless, but people are bending over backwards to defend someone whose every comment indicates that she contributed greatly to on-set drama. By the way, as this and many other discussions show, Hubert is not the only one whose reputation is on trial; she's just the only one who keeps commenting (2 year old interviews with Ribeiro notwithstanding).

  • Nadine | January 2, 2012 11:01 AM

    ...lastly, my personal belief, is that Hubert did not exercise the patience with the "young people" on set as she should have making Smith feel uncomfortable about blasting his music and making jokes that she did not find amusing (she noted in previous video interviews), but who knows how they responded to her initial misgivings about the tone on-set (could have been anything from snickering to contrition). The boys are much older than me, but we grew up listening to similar music. I understand that "beef", but would never hold that over someone's head as we are all now adults. Where the boys might not have had patience for Hubert for previous reasons discussed on the boards, Hubert, I sense was "age-ist" (based on video interviews and her characterizations of the music blasting on set, etc.... ), either way, she left the show and it should have been a done deal, but Smith, immaturely decided to ridicule her publicly. I believe he did so out of hurt (her not unconditionally accepting him and his belief that he was made to feel less than for whatever reasons - her scolding, her reaction to the informal atmosphere on set [based on her characterizations], their blow-ups, etc...), but none of us will know for sure. That being the case, Hubert's reputation is the only one on trial and THAT'S THE PROBLEM. If none of us knows what really happened, why not just state that FP had a dysfunctional set and leave it at that instead of finding a way to vilify a woman, the only woman in question, whose track record appears clean before FP and after (Hubert continued to work, though not as steadily as her time with FP), where we cannot say the same for those making the accusations (please see the boards or Google, I don't want to seem too repetitive).

  • Nadine | January 2, 2012 10:30 AM

    @CIARA GEE - I'm not on Facebook, but I was able to check out your link. Nice. I don't know if you are the moderator, but I have a friend who'd probably want to get you all involved in a project in the next couple of months. She's crazy busy, but I'll have (a.k.a. nag) her write you all before February.

  • Akimbo | January 2, 2012 3:39 AM

    Also, I really despise that this is being turned into a skin tone and gender issue. She obviously wasn't too dark to be cast, despite the shades of her TV family, and it's not like the show was a boy's club. Not only were there many female actors in both regular and recurring roles, but women also served in large numbers as exec producers, writers, and directors, including the prolific Winifred Hervey. I don't think Will is totally innocent, but all I hear are excuses for Janet's behavior, and accusations of discrimination. Not even taking Ribeiro's video into account, she is looking more and more guilty. If you want to talk about actual victims, how about Tisha Campbell on "Martin?" Someone who managed to move on without taking every opportunity to badmouth the guy who sexually harassed her. She raised the issue, had the shit nipped, and went on to other gigs.

  • Akimbo | January 2, 2012 3:23 AM

    @Nadine, aren't you the one who posted that interview Janet gave, saying how she was always telling Will to come out of his trailer, or something like that? Every time someone posts quotes from the woman, it becomes more evident that she played a major role in her dismissal. She is not and was not the boss, yet it seems like she carried herself as if she was.

  • Ciara Gee | January 1, 2012 3:08 PM

    correction: our OFTEN fatal devotion to them

  • Ciara Gee | January 1, 2012 3:07 PM

    @Nadine - Yes, honey, yes! I absolutely agree. Leave it to a black woman to make it plain. I don't know if you've checked out this Facebook page yet called "For Black Women-What Not to Buy." but if you haven't, do look it up. They talk about this kind of stuff all the time (i.e. black men who turn their backs on black women by refusing to hear their grievances, by refusing to love them, by denying our fatal devotion to them etc.) and in lovely detail. --- http://www.facebook.com/pages/For-Black-Women-What-not-to-buy/199530346730965

  • Neziah | December 31, 2011 9:57 PM

    Hubert deserves her say just as much as Will and the others, but until she stops acting like a bitter and angry old woman and deals with her situation in a more respectful and dignified matter (Phylicia Rashad would happily give her a lesson), then I am not on her side. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not on the boys' side either (they're just as immature). So, Nadine, until someone steps up with the truth, and NOTHING but the truth, no one's perspective deserves to be explored from any point of view. Where's the evidence exactly?

  • artbizzy | December 31, 2011 12:01 PMReply

    This is just sad. Why would this grown ass man with a daughter go to a college, (Lord knows how many colleges) to say this? WTF? What a dillhole. I mean how insecure does he have to demonstrate himself to be? He's got lots of money and is already Supreme Holder of Will Smith's nutsack so what is he getting out of it? And what he says after someone says "you mean the dark-skinned one?" - made me want to go back to Africa for reals. I really do hope that Janet Hubert gets some closure and peace and some movie/theater roles and book sales. She also has a children's book, too, so the lady has been up to something. Much healing needed all around. I do feel the light skinned/dark skinned issue is there as well. Her feelings about it, theirs, the worlds. It permeates this whole thing. I mean someone even asked was it the dark skinned one? Just like that?! It's just sad and should hit close to home for all of us light, dark, whatever. You got lots of love and support around you, Janet.

  • Moe | December 31, 2011 11:21 AMReply

    Janet Hubert talking about her book, from 2009, and how this video inspired her to write it...
    http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/video?id=9218246

    Look JH, they SUCK, but don't make them continue to make you look bad. You still have supporters, a great many supporters! Please let this stop here and now for your own good. I still want to see more out of you, but if you're writing tell-all books and still appearing bitter, even if it is warranted, people will only look at what YOU are doing and YOUR behavior and use it to support your detractors. :(

  • MOE | December 31, 2011 11:22 AM

    *how Ribeiro's video ABOVE inspired her to write her book...*

  • Nadine | December 31, 2011 11:02 AMReply

    Also, again, one must note that similar discord was reported on another "Will Smith set" for the show "All of Us" (see Elise Neal experience - contract problems "led" to her departure) for which Ribeiro oftentimes directed. I'm just saying there seem to be a "mean boy" culture from these guys that provides poor modeling for those who work for and with them.

  • bondgirl | January 2, 2012 11:28 PM

    Mmm, no. Seinfeld nor Romano have had a black female co-star, whereas Caviezel does. Not only that, but he was recently embroiled with controversy surrounding his co-star (Taraji Henson) being treated differently from him. That was precisely why he was brought up. The analogy is appropo.

  • Troy | December 31, 2011 2:30 PM

    @Bondgirl better comparison is Jerry Seinfield or Ray Romano. Jim Caviezel just made it to lead actor on television. I say it is more likely a closeted homosexual culture other than anti-dark skinned movement. I didn't mine the Fresh Prince wife swap as much as I did on Family matters. The whole immediate family was brown skinned so why bring in a light skinned mother.

  • bondgirl | December 31, 2011 11:32 AM

    Nadine, you could not be more correct. In addition, I find it very interesting how this debate is drawn along gender lines. If this were a white lead actor (let's say, Jim Caviezel) who had gotten Hubert fired, a lot of the same people would not be willing to address her as "difficult". They would go on and on about how Whiteywood/Hollyweird/insert idiotic pseudonym is treating one of our queens with disrespect. But when the BLACK MAN shows his natural born ASS, he gets the royal armor treatment. Will, Alfonso, & Medina ALL have colorism issues so it doesn't surprise me in the least that the biggest publicized dispute is w/ a dark-skinned woman. Colorism is insidious because you begin to project negative attributes onto the person based on their color, just like racism. I remember during his promotion for Ali he said something to the fact that he felt a commonality to Ali because they both shared a love for fair-skinned women. Though taken aback by the statement, I was more surprised that no one challenged him on that, but who was really going to when both Ali & Will were beloved figures?

  • ForeignBlackChick | December 31, 2011 10:52 AMReply

    Almost forgot:
    I dunno if it was in this or another vid (cant bother clicking play) but he sneers to emphasise *The dark one*

    Doesn't he know he's talking to a room full of white people? this is not some yo momma battle in the ghetto. lol @ the dark one. emphasis on 'dark'. For shame! Carlton sweetie-pie! I mean.. Alfonso!

  • Nadine | December 31, 2011 10:52 AMReply

    SERGIO startin' trouble just when things were slowin' down. His side of the story? This video was posted January 27, 2009 and the video's poster stated that the event occurred the night before at SUNY Oneonta so we can assume that this video was taken January 26, 2009. In his "talk", Alphonso Ribeiro gives no specific details regarding how things went down with Hubert. He simply states she was "nuts", "cuckoo" and "the [b!tch] was crazy"... When prompted by female audience members for more information, he gives them nothing, he does, though at times, fall into a skit from "Sh!t Black Girls Say" when interpreting their questions. The one argument he makes is that she, basically, wasn't family. The set was a big family... no specifics. No first signs of trouble, no she was "crazy" from the first day we met her, no she could not get along with James, no she couldn't get along with the girls, no specifics. When Google searching SUNY Oneonta and Alphonso Ribeiro, one can note that his statements definitely received similar coverage to what Hubert received with her most recent statements re: Will Smith and his being an a$$hole/egomaniac. I could not imagine her not having watched this video before she taped "Life After" and came out with her most recent statements, not that she was not making them before. Apparently after she was let go, Smith went on a FP promotional tour in 1993 (possibly not alone) and basically made fun of Hubert on the radio stating that she went make "250,000 to nothin'! " ... Look we have heresay on both sides. I'm not understanding taking Ribeiro's word over Hubert's simply because people think they know him, simply because he's a guy, simply because he makes you laugh, I mean the list goes on... My thing is that they are ALL RIGHT re: what went down on the set. That Ribeiro, Smith, Medina (who IS NOT a good person) did not get along with HUBERT which in turn made them all act like A$$ES. We can take sides, but we don't know what really went down...all I know is that Hubert seems defensive while Ribeiro appears arrogant and offensive which is unnecessary given how things went down with her contract. IT WAS THIS VIDEO, that INSPIRED HUBERT TO WRITE HER TELL-ALL BOOK "PERFECTION IS NOT A SITCOM MOM" (2009). Hubert states, "Of backstabbing co-star Alfonso Ribeiro (whom Hubert clearly wishes had actually died in a breakdancing accident, as the urban legend once held), Hubert writes: Alfonso was a large part of my decision to publish this book. That’s because he has made it his business to continue kissing Smith’s butt by slandering me, sometimes at universities that my son may possibly attend in the near future. " - Avclub May 19, 2011 Hubert needs to understand that Ribeiro is not going to change and though this is understandably hurtful, she has to move on with the support of those who respect her and her work.

  • ForeignBlackChick | December 31, 2011 10:45 AMReply

    I already saw this speech.

    He came across as quite aggressive to get rid of his 'nerdy carlton stereotype', but leave alone that comment. That was just immaturity, which we all possess at one point.
    Now get this- he said something about beating up a guy over *can't remember*. OMG how cool! >_>

    This is a far cry from the days of The Carlton Dance. Him and Ms. Hubert can be nuts together :D

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