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Fox Searchlight Acquires Steve McQueen's "Shame" For 2011 Release!

by Tambay A. Obenson
September 9, 2011 11:34 AM
81 Comments
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Weeelllll... the mystery is over; snippet of press release below:

TORONTO, Ontario, Canada September 9, 2011 – Fox Searchlight Pictures Presidents Nancy Utley and Stephen Gilula announced today that the company has acquired U. S. rights to the intimate and provocative drama SHAME. The film is directed by Steve McQueen, written by McQueen and Abi Morgan and stars Michael Fassbender and Carey Mulligan. SHAME is a See-Saw Films production for Film4 and U.K. Film Council and produced by Iain Canning and Emile Sherman. Tessa Ross, Robert Walak, Peter Hampden and Tim Haslam are executive producers with Bergen Swanson as co-producer. HanWay Films is handling international sales. The film is scheduled to be released in 2011.

The fact that they are going to release it this year, with just over 3 months to go in the year, obviously implies a run at Oscar for the film and its star (or stars). No specific date yet though. I'll be seeing it in about 3 weeks at the NYFF, and will share my thoughts after.

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81 Comments

  • JULI | November 22, 2011 9:43 PMReply

    *were oops

  • JuLi | November 22, 2011 9:42 PMReply

    You guys are F****** crazy! How did race even enter in to the conversation...gosh i really should not comment on these types of things, they always just piss me off. Who/what is CareyCarey talking to/about? i attempted to read some of this person's comments but they where so incoherent and psychotic that it actually frightened me lol. Why cant people just say what they feel and try to make their point instead of dancing around it by poking fun at thier fellow commentors?? seriously who has time to make up things like that? "so and so sips a martini and smokes a newport" wtf?! can somone please fill me in?? I cant wait to see this film, because i enjoy films that emotional, true life films and arent priggish.

  • The F****** crazy guy from Iowa | November 22, 2011 10:41 PM

    "How did race even enter in to the conversation..." WHAT!!!??? *STOP* Maybe you should smoke a Newport (instead of those blunts), and have a few drinks, then at least you will be excused for that idiotic question. What post did you read??? Anyway, now I am thinking you're posting under a different (new) name and something else is really on your mind. Don't be scuuuurd, take off the mask and show us you have a pair. And btw, anyone that uses the word "priggish" should not throw stones :-) *STOP* Maybe you do nott have a pair?

  • BondGirl | September 13, 2011 6:45 AMReply

    @Sergio:

    LOL. You really came on here just to say that?

    1. If I share what I know it's not boasting, it's coming from a place of knowing what the hell I'm talking about..unlike some of these folks. In journalism, they call it "naming a source".

    2. Everyone has an opinion to a film before the movie comes out. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. Why do studios spend $20-30 Mil on marketing...bc they know this. They know how important it is to tell the jist of a story before they get your $13.

    3. You clearly do not know my point of view. Since you don't, why respond to it? Just makes you look argumentative. Everyone calls Carey crazy, but he must be like a fox, bc he's the only one who has managed to succinctly articulate my perspective without fail.

    Do you have knowledge about directing that someone who's never directed has? Of course. So don't be ridiculous to dismiss a union. I bet you weren't talking that smugly when you were trying to get in. Everyone acts like a club membership is no big deal...after they get accepted. That person (especially today when it is much harder to get in) paid dues to get that status. But it's clear unless I revealed that I'm Mara Brock Akil, would anybody give me credit for knowing anything, simply for having an opposing view than theirs. Ah well, that's the downside to anonymity.

  • Tamara | September 13, 2011 3:21 AMReply

    If the Fox*Searchlight acquisition gets this feature in 'my' neck of the woods then by Jove I'm there to support it, to voyeur it, to view it, to use it...for inspirations, of course. ;) The 'edgy' bird's the word... Carry on.

  • CareyCarey | September 12, 2011 4:40 AMReply

    Carey, You kept calling for challengers, and you got one, now you’re running.

    Nawl reg, we cool, so don’t go away mad. I just thought it was time to call this to a halt.... and let me tell you why. First, in your last two posts you made a few unsubstantiated, silly and girlie remarks about Bondgirl and.... well... let me show you something else.

    “[Carey] is instead going based on what you and others have said, feeding his fears about it”

    “Blame my retort on Carey for hanging onto your every word as if it’s Gospel”

    “For some reason you seem to think that there’s a problem if most folks agree on something”

    “I gotta say Carey, you’re projecting here, and it doesn’t look good on you. And in projecting, you’re judging others and their values”

    “Can you not see how this highlights your own personal prejudices and hang-ups with regards to sex and sexuality?”

    “What if this was a documentary on sexual addiction, and it documented on camera how people with the addiction (they do exist) go about their daily lives, including their sexual proclivities -”

    “some like to get screwed by goats and cows; some (and I’m sure you’re in this group) like to give themselves a good old wanking every now and then while watching porn”

    “And if I may say that those who turn to publicly condemn these things, or depictions of them, tend to be the ones who have most to hide, because they engage in their own brand of freakiness”

    “in your head, you’ve already summarized why you think folks want to see it”

    “you seem to think we’re all hiding some deep issues, or that we want to live out some sexual fantasy on screen by watching the movie”

    “What you’re doing here Carey is some bible belt shit”


    Now reg, there’s more of that variety but I’m going to stop there. Now listen, none of those silly statements have any fondation, so it was virtually impossible to address them in a sensible or reasonable way. I mean, I fear the movie Shame?! I wack my meat while watching porn flicks? I have prejudices and hang-ups with regards to sex and sexuality!? Are you serious? I am more than sure that most people reading this blog have some sort of restraints in their sex life, don‘t you? Hang-ups, is that what you call it? I’m projecting? Projecting what? A documentary... Shame is not a documentary?! I am hiding some sort of weird freakiness?! I’m on some bible belt shit?! BondGirl is feeding my fears?!! All because I don’t want to see Shame?!!!

    Look reg, you went somewhere, and I refuse to play in that kind of party. How could I respond to that nonsense? I couldn’t, so I thought it was time to put the brakes on.

  • reg | September 12, 2011 3:29 AMReply

    @ Carey –LOL! You just don’t know when to zip it and quit it do you? So now I’m the one who’s taking this too seriously. Wow. And who was the one who started this mess and continuously insisted on pushing their agenda? Who has taken this more seriously than you? You say I should stay in my lane when you’re the one who’s trying to take over everyone else’s lane because you don’t like what they have to say. That’s cool Carey. I thought I was dealing with a fellow sensible, reasonable homey here but maybe not. You kept calling for challengers, and you got one, now you’re running. My work here is done. The words are on the page for others to read. My points have been made clearly and frankly. You’ve both been exposed repeatedly. I won’t waste anymore precious words on this. Good luck to you and BondGirl who knows all of Hollywood and has worked with everybody, and nobody can tell her anything, because she knows everything. SMH.

    Looking forward to seeing "Shame." THE END. LOL.

  • CareyCarey | September 12, 2011 2:45 AMReply

    Come on reg, your last couple of posts are straightup sippin'. Seriously man, you're playing yourself. Look, it doesn't look good for your manhood to be up in here hissy pissin' over the semantics of the script.

    "You’re hot shit and we’re not, because you’re “in the game.”

    Really reg, surely you can see how that's so weak. I mean, that's high school girl's locker room talk.

    BondGirl bruised your ego and now you're reduced to this---> "Different parts of your brain are engaged when reading a script"???

    Reg, man, lay down.Seriously, you're out of your lane and obviously out of your league. Seriously man, I thought something was wrong when you posted the following.

    “Guess what man? Some folks out there like to swing; some go to orgies; some engage in 3-way, 4-way, 10-way; some like to get shit on; some liked to get pissed on; some like to get whipped; some like to screw goats and cows; some like to get screwed by goats and cows; some (and I’m sure you’re in this group) like to give themselves a good old wanking every now and then while watching porn”

    Reg, what’s up man!? I believe you’re taking this way to seriously. Settle down, the script is what it is and regardless of your hissy pissy fit, the movie IS rated NC-17 so what does that tell you. BondGirl has not deceived me in the least. .

  • Sergio | September 12, 2011 2:06 AMReply

    @reg you said the following about BondGirl

    "Yes I think we all know just how well-connected you are to the industry, and how intimately familiar you are with certain actors and how much you’re paid and all that nonsense. You’re hot shit and we’re not, because you’re “in the game.” We get it loud and clear."

    Well for the record I've been a member of the DIRECTOR'S GUILD OF AMERICA (since BondGirl likes to boast of her membership in the WGA in caps) since the early 80's and I've haven't worked on a film in years, haven't paid my dues since who-knows-when, and yet I still get all the DGA material sent to me regularly, including my quarterly pension info statement.

    All this to say that being in the WGA or DGA or whatever isn't as big as some want to make it appear to be.

  • Nia | September 12, 2011 1:41 AMReply

    Yeah I thought this is where it would end up. I hope it gets a nationwide release and performs well enough for Oscar noms. Glad to see McQueens work get a release in the states.

  • reg | September 11, 2011 12:38 PMReply

    @ BondGirl - Yes I think we all know just how well-connected you are to the industry, and how intimately familiar you are with certain actors and how much you’re paid and all that nonsense. You’re hot shit and we’re not, because you’re “in the game.” We get it loud and clear.

    Blame my retort on Carey for hanging onto your every word as if it’s Gospel. He quoted you to use that to support his argument. I challenged it. Deal with it.

    And we’re not talking about Tarantino nor Greengrass. If your point is that those 2 are typical of industry practice, you would be wrong. There is no steadfast rule. Different directors have different styles and approaches. I’ve read enough scripts and watched enough movies to know that well enough. So, my statement in my last response still stands: a film STILL has to be shot, and edited, scored etc, and SO MUCH could (and often does) happen from the time the script is complete to when the film is done and ready for release, so much that what ends up on screen isn't an exact match to what's on paper, and sometimes quite different.

    When you say the scripts are a match for the film, what does that mean anyway? That the scene headings, dialogue and action statements match the images on the screen? So what? You’re missing my point entirely. Regardless of how much the words on the page match what’s on the screen, one experience absolutely cannot replace the other. You can’t read a script and think you’ve seen the movie. Rubbish!

    Now back to the main point. I believe your quote that Carey used was “For the record, I don’t have to see the movie to know it’s graphic…here’s a tip Miss I Wish I Was A Successful Screenwriter to Make Black People Kings & Queens In Every Film, the shooting script is the film.”

    Did I miss something? Those were your exact words. “The shooting script is the film.” You’ve done a nice job of coming back here now and cleaning up on your statement. Maybe if you’d done that before, we wouldn’t be having this argument. You’re misleading Carey with that statement. You said “the shooting script is the film;” you didn’t say, “the shooting script is used by studios to determine whether a film is worth making,” which is what you’re now saying. Well, duh, of course it’s a tool used to determine whether a film is worth making or not. What else would they have to go on?

    You’ve said 2 totally different things.

    Realize that the script isn’t even meant to be read by the regular joblo audience member. It’s now much easier for this stuff to get *leaked* and passed around to non-industry folks because of the web. That’s for those making the film; not for the folks who will eventually see the film to read. And there’s a good reason for that. The script is one phase of the process. An audience member shouldn’t be basing their decision on whether or not they will see a film based solely on what they read in the script. And if they are, I feel sorry for them because they are missing out on the actual experience of watching the images and sound gel and flow on the screen, which is where all that movie magic comes together. Not the same as reading the script, no matter how much the words on the page match what’s on screen. Different parts of your brain are engaged when reading a script versus when watching and listening to a movie. I’ve read enough scripts and watched the films they were based on to say with certainty that there have been scripts I’ve read that did little for me, but watching the completed film executed was a different, far more enriching experience. Maybe you’re taking this personally because you’re “A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE WRITER'S GUILD OF AMERICA” and you feel like the writing process is being dismissed by my statement, which would be a misinterpretation.

    I don’t believe Carey has actually even read the script, and is instead going based on what you and others have said, feeding his fears about it.

    And for the record, I never said reading a script is stupid, so don’t misquote me. My exact words were: “it's still utterly stupid to say that reading words on paper is the same as watching a completed film on screen, seeing the images move, hearing the words spoken, the nuances, the editing, the soundtrack, the ambience, and everything else that goes into the production process.”

    And I still stand by that because it is. You said one thing before, now you're saying something else. I reacted to what you said the first time.

  • Mecca | September 11, 2011 12:20 PMReply

    BondGirl,

    This back and forth has been going on for awhile now and I am tired of it!

    I won't say anything else here's why: Most of the regulars not voicing their opinions on this topic are not doing so simply because they are sick of this moronic and preposterous discussion.

    Oh, and I don't need Hollywood status to be a successful screenwriter.

  • Vanessa Martinez | September 11, 2011 12:14 PMReply

    BondGirl you come across very angry. It's ok. It's going to be alright. I'm sorry I like McQueen, Fassbender and Beharie.

    BTW, Shame is screening right now in Toronto, can't wait to see the response!

    This is what director Steve Mcqueen is probably doing right now.:D

    http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/09/04/154706-director-steve-mcqueen-laughs-as-he-poses-during-a-photocall-for-his-f.jpg

  • BondGirl | September 11, 2011 10:40 AMReply

    @Reg: "If BondGirl knew as much as she claims to know, she’d know that a film STILL has to be shot, and edited, scored etc, and SO MUCH could (and often does) happen from the time the script is complete to when it’s done and ready for release, so much that what ends up on screen isn’t an exact match to what’s on paper. Unless you’re Alfred Hitchcock."

    How about if you're Quentin Tarantino? Or Paul Greengrass? Because their scripts are a match for the film. How do I know? Because I READ THE SCRIPT WHILE WATCHING THE MOVIE. THAT'S MY JOB. Who told me to? A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE WRITER'S GUILD OF AMERICA. Are you one? Doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't have some lame 11th hour pissing contest with me over this issue. What reading a script allows you to do, which you think is so stupid, is find out if it's a film worth seeing. Or not see in Carey's case. Or in the case of Hollywood, WORTH MAKING. How do you think films are made? From READING THE SCRIPT and visualizing how it will look.

    @Vanessa: "The comparisons with “The Help” are ABSURD. Most of the regulars not voicing their opinions on this topic are not doing so simply because they are sick of this moronic and preposterous discussion."

    Yet, you derive some sick pleasure from reporting on anything and everything about the film...including Fassbender's penchant for dancing like a baboon. So it's really you who are contributing to this thread being moronically and preposterously discussed.

  • CareyCarey | September 11, 2011 5:45 AMReply

    DAMN! You guys will not let sleeping dogs.... get a little rest.

    Hey, keep it up, b/c you know what I’m thinking, since Days Of Our Lives and When The World Turns is off the air, if y’all keep it up I’m gonna have to write a script for The Days Of S & A. Yelp, I can see it now, you know, sort of a weekly web series complete with a little seriousness like Tambay’s many posts on film festivals, upcoming movies and the like, and MsWoo’s thought provoking posts, added with the absurd and silliness, to the sublime to the ridiculous. Yes sir, can’t you see Monique blasting someone, or Sergio being blasted for dropping one of his fantasmystical posts that has a way of getting some of the natives all riled up? Come on now, there’s something about the post that get the most hits that needs to find itself on paper or o a web series, and we got it all up in here.

    Are you kidding me, we got the sassy shenaynay girls, old school fools, miss prime and proper, divas, preachers, wannabe stars, the quasi-intellectuals, groupies, occasional racists, church folk, fading stars, directors, screenwriters, instigators and cheerleaders *coughtruthcough*

    Look at the posts that get the most hits and you can’t deny the truth. There’s a whole lot going on up in there and it’s prime material for a fantastically funny series. I mean, some people do take themselves too seriously up in here, but that could be another added beauty, if you know what I mean.

    Think about it, I don’t know what many of the commenter’s look like, however, I believe it’s safe to assume we all have certain images of each other based on how we “talk” and react. Yes sir... **looking around the halls of S& A ** I can see a whole lot going on in the many posts that have hit this site, i.e., The Help post, The many Tyler Perry and Halle Berry Posts, The Amy Winehouse post, SHAME, the numerous “Who’s really a black person?” posts, Oscar debates and podcast night, just to name a few.

    Yes sir, y’all keep it up and I’m gonna get my pen a poppin’ and Tambay is going to post it on a weekly basis like he does The Misadventure of Awkward Black Girl and Mathew Cherry’s The Last Fall. So go ahead, keep talking and get your name in lights. Cussing and venting and talking all serious is allowed. *SMILE*

    Not The Young and The Restless, it’s The Days of Shadow & Act.

    Part of the cast is set. Sergio will be played by a Mr Brown look-alike and Vanessa Martinez sorta looks like Rosie Perez. Tambay has the feel of a Morgan Freeman type. The Jury is still out on JMac, Misha and BondGirl, but I’m thinking a mix of Zoe Saldana and Lorretta Devine. And Reg is reminisiant of Charlton from The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air.

  • reg | September 11, 2011 5:26 AMReply

    @Carey - It's still pretty absurd that I have to lay it all out for you like this Carey. That's one thing you seem to be missing that I think others get. But a "dissertation" isn't required for them to "get it." So that, and what follows, is all for you babe ;)

    You and I go back, so I assumed were just playing devil advocate, which, I'm sure you'll agree, has long been part of your shtick because you feel it creates controversy and debate. For some reason you seem to think that there's a problem if most folks agree on something. That does happen from time to time and shouldn't be looked upon as something that should be challenged.

    But back to what seems to be your issue with this film, which you laid out in the last paragraph. I gotta say Carey, you're projecting here, and it doesn't look good on you. And in projecting, you're judging others and their values. You say you've consistently laid out your reasons for not wanting to see the movie, based on the little you've heard (that justifies your stance), and the sentence that apparently sums it up for you - the NC-17 rating and the fact that there are "graphic depictions" of various sex acts.

    Can you not see how this highlights your own personal prejudices and hang-ups with regards to sex and sexuality? You've already deemed these depictions somehow unworthy and even taboo, and can't understand why they should be included in ANY context within any work of art. What if this was a documentary on sexual addiction, and it documented on camera how people with the addiction (they do exist) go about their daily lives, including their sexual proclivities - after all, that would be central to the documentary. Would you still dismiss it as unworthy? If you've read up on "Shame" you'd know that McQueen and his co-screenwriter performed real research on the subject they have made a film out of. They spoke to expert doctors on the subject, and more. And what they learned influenced how they went about making the film. This isn't just some filmmaker being sensational and gratuitous for the sake of entertainment (that's Quentin Tarantino's job).

    Guess what man? Some folks out there like to swing; some go to orgies; some engage in 3-way, 4-way, 10-way; some like to get shit on; some liked to get pissed on; some like to get whipped; some like to screw goats and cows; some like to get screwed by goats and cows; some (and I'm sure you're in this group) like to give themselves a good old wanking every now and then while watching porn.

    I think you get my point. Nothing wrong with any of that. Do you. And if I may say that those who turn to publicly condemn these things, or depictions of them, tend to be the ones who have most to hide, because they engage in their own brand of freakiness, or whatever you want to call it. You're projecting your own values onto others. Not everyone sees the world as you do, and that's perfectly fine. That's what makes the world go round.

    Yes, you've consistently given reasons why you don't want to see the movie. I don't agree with your reasons, or think you have enough of a reason to dismiss it completely. But you're entitled to that. I don't think anyone here has challenged that. You're the one challenging others' reasons for wanting to see it. And others, at least those of us who are debating this with you on this thread, have also consistently given reasons for why they want to see the movie. BUT, the problem is Carey, you don't seem to think those reasons are valid enough, because, in your head, you've already summarized why you think folks want to see it. Nevermind that they've given you their reasons, but, no, you want "the real truth" because you seem to think we're all hiding some deep issues, or that we want to live out some sexual fantasy on screen by watching the movie, or whatever other silly reason you've got cooked up. If you're still not clear why those of us who are responding want to see the movie, go back and read our comments again.

    And if you're still not satisfied with the answers, who's problem is that but yours?

    And I don't know BondGirl, or how much she knows about the business, even though she claims to know, but sorry, the shooting script is most certainly NOT the film. That's one of the most inane comments made on this thread so far. If BondGirl knew as much as she claims to know, she'd know that a film STILL has to be shot, and edited, scored etc, and SO MUCH could (and often does) happen from the time the script is complete to when it's done and ready for release, so much that what ends up on screen isn't an exact match to what's on paper. Unless you're Alfred Hitchcock. And even if we were to run with the argument that the shooting script was the film, it's still utterly stupid to say that reading words on paper is the same as watching a completed film on screen, seeing the images move, hearing the words spoken, the nuances, the editing, the soundtrack, the ambience, and everything else that goes into the production process. There's absolutely NO comparison whatsoever and anyone making that claim has no idea what they're talking about.

    I'm surprised Tambay or any of the other folks who run this blog didn't catch that. It's just flat out wrong to make that statement and I think even you Carey can recognize that without being an industry insider! If the shooting WAS the film, then, shit, let's just read the shooting script and call it a day. Why bother shooting, editing and scoring the movie.

    What you're doing here Carey is some bible belt shit. Some good old fashioned socially conservative evangelical prejudice and judgment. Not only that, but you're taking bits and pieces of information about the film and only hanging onto those that suit your agenda and value system (even if they are debatable or just wrong, and even though others have given you a fuller picture of the film's content and intent). And you're and making up your mind on the film's merits based on that limited amount of information. That's wrong dude. I prefer to get a much fuller picture before dismissing a work.

    But do you, just don't do others. Let them do that themselves.

  • Slightly Curious | September 11, 2011 5:11 AMReply

    Carey

    You mentioned yesterday that you would be watching a few movies that night & one of them was Hunger. Did you watch it?

  • truth | September 11, 2011 5:09 AMReply

    Mecca is calling BondGirl out because she nor anyone else here are afraid of her.

    CrazyCarey is still crying like a little girl and providing nothing to this blog except foolishness and hypocrisy. must not of gotten the proper attention growing up.

    Go take your meds Carey! lol

  • reg | September 11, 2011 4:04 AMReply

    I had to come back to address the comparisons in reactions to “The Help” and to “Shame”.

    Pre-release reactions to "The Help" were based on a number of things, foremostly, the fact that the story was told by a white female writer, the point of view in the story was primarily from that of the young white female lead character in the movie, the fact that the only lead roles for black women in the movie were as maids (an extension of the fact that there are so few roles for black women in Hollywood, especially those created by black woman writers and directors, and those that are available are limited in their portrayals), the fact that it takes place in the overtly racially-charged past (which Hollywood seems to favor as of late), the fact that this general brand of cinema (stories about black people told by and from the perspective of a white person or people, or in which a white person is central to the story) has been common practice in the industry since the early days of cinema, with little opportunity given to the exceptions to that rule, and those films are frequently lacking when it comes to the depictions and range of blacks in them, the director is also white and male, and also an unknown (his first film), the fact that a lawsuit was filed against the writer by one of the maids that she knew in real life for appropriating her story without credit (whether or not the case was with or without merit, as no one knew). All those factors (and more) fed the frenzy. I think any level-headed person (especially if you’re black) can understand the concerns, given everything I just laid out.

    Change a few of these issues and you have a completely different movie and a different pre-release response from black people. Yeah I’m sure there’ll still be those who will still complain about it, but I think that number will be far smaller than it was. Like if the story was written by a black woman, from a black woman’s perspective, and the central characters were primarily black women, and if the director was black, and even better if the director was a black director who’s already made a name for him/herself. I think in Tambay’s review of the film he mentioned “Black Girl” the Senegalese/French film, as a comparison, a movie that black people all over the world applaud and cherish, even though it’s almost 50 years old.

    Unlike “The Help,” “Shame” comes without much of that “baggage.” Add to that the fact that, as Vanessa has pointed out already, the film isn’t about race. In “The Help” the racial differences between “master” and “servant” was absolutely necessary to the story. It wouldn’t be the same film if the maids were white. No way, no how. In “Shame” if Nicole Beharie’s character was Italian, Chinese, Moroccan, whatever, it wouldn’t make one damned difference, and the story in “Shame” wouldn’t change one bit. Her blackness here is completely irrelevant. It only becomes so if you make it so. And if you do then that’s really your own issue, isn’t it? Not hers or anyone elses. It’s like Will Smith in most of the movies he does. And as I already said for why I’m interested in seeing it, which goes for many others as well: there’s interest in the director's work after seeing his previous work, and of himself in interviews, his other non-film artwork, etc. The director is black. There’s interest in the cast because folks (some) have seen their past work and have been impressed enough to want to see more of their work. Put this cast and crew together and a lot of folks (white, black, whatever) will get really excited for what they produce, sight unseen. Unlike “The Help” “Shame” isn’t a Hollywood studio movie, which is a sigh of relief for a lot of folks, and with good reason. “Shame” is financed and produced by European companies. And just as Carey is always applauding European actors over American actors, it may be worth considering that the same kind of reasoning when looking at the talent behind the camera as well as the producers and financiers, compared to the Hollywood folks. For reasons I already listed, there’s more trust from many people that the material will be handled with much more thought and sensitivity than in the other film, for reasons I already mentioned. So, Nicole Beharie in a nude sex scene on screen with a white man just isn’t going to elicit similar kinds of immediate reactions. There’s more likelihood that people will be willing to give the film and filmmakers the benefit of the doubt and actually see the film first before condemning it, because of everything I just said.

    Lastly I’ll add that this isn’t exactly a film that a lot of folks (black or white) will see. It’ll play primarily to the arthouse/cineaste crowd first and foremost. Also fans of the actors will probably see it too. But most of America probably won’t see this. And, let’s be honest, it probably won’t be on top of most black peoples’ lists of films to see this fall, because I don’t think a lot of black folks even know about it. Unless you’re a reader of sites like S&A because I don’t think any other black cinema blog has really been covering the film. Most focus on mainstream stuff. S&A is much more comprehensive, which is why a lot of us come here.

    If the difference between the pre-release reactions to both films clear?

    And this is the last I will say on this until I’ve actually seen the movie.

  • CareyCarey | September 11, 2011 3:57 AMReply

    I don't know why Mecca keeps calling out BondGirl? She has to know that BondGirl will spank that ass like mecca stole something.

    But I see Reg has come back for an encore. He just dropped a 5 page dissertation on the comparisons in reactions to “The Help” and to “Shame”. I guess this discussion wasn’t so absurd and non-thought-provoking after all... was it Mr. Reggie? How does that crow taste? **winking @ Reg ** lol

    Although I jest, I’ve always respected and liked reg’s comments. Every since the first time (about a year ago when I got in a debate with him on a Civil War movie) I knew he was a nice guy and a formidable foe who would bring a few facts to support his opinion.

    That reminds me, throughout this whole debate/discussion, I have to say that BondGirl has done an excellent job (the best in this thread) in representing herself and bringing facts to support her opinion. And along the way she has defended herself from her many detractors with great lines that I would die for..... like this >>>>>>>> “HUH? Is this Delta Sigma Theta? Did I enter Hell Week? This is not School Daze, although you may be a Wannabee…it’s a blog. Fresh commentors are par for the course”.

    And this >>>> “ [your comment is] as ridiculous as me assuming you’re an alien or exiled Ph.d of clinical psychology because your username is Foreign Black Chick.and you throw around quasi-medical terms”. Man that cracked me up.

    In essence, although many have tried to put words in her mouth, she has always stood strong, defended and supported her position with the conviction and courage of a proud lion.

    Now, for just a second, let’s talk about the monkey-see, monkey-do, telenegro-telephone... and Hypocrisy: The state of pretending to have beliefs, opinions, virtues, ideals, thoughts, feelings, qualities, or standards that one does not actually have.

    Let’s go back to here -->>>>>>>. “Interesting how this is better received than The Help, considering there really isn’t a black lead (Beharie’s few lines don’t count)” By BondGirl on September 4, 2011.

    My reply here --->>>UT OH! I see I am not the only one that sees a little monkey business.

    I believe I’ve also said there was a little double standard going on by some who have flipfloped on their position (not all but some). Take a look at my exact words in response to Misha who said: “CareyCarey, frankly, I am not interested in “positive” messages/images or redeeming qualities. I favor creativity, nuance, complexity, boldness above all”.

    Now my words --->>>> “Okay Misha, that’s your right and I am not going to assume why others are eagerly awaiting this film”

    So some of you monkey see monkey do-gooders can miss me with the hypocrite line. Yeah that’s right, some of you have unfortunately and mistakenly rode the wrong jock when you’ve used the following lines to support you opinion: Tambay said: “If I can use Carey’s own words posted earlier today in response to the 50 Cent “All Things Fall Apart” film that most folks dissed: “ I would never pan it before seeing more” . Now lookie there, DUH! Didn’t I say “it”, as in reference to THAT movie “All Things Fall Apart”? I obviously didn’t see enough in that one 50 second clip or know enough about the movie, (notta-nothing) to voice an opinion. But let’s talk about Shame and see how my words apply. I’ll again refer to BondGirl’s words: “For the record, I don’t have to see the movie to know it’s graphic…here’s a tip Miss I Wish I Was A Successful Screenwriter to Make Black People Kings & Queens In Every Film, the shooting script is the film” ~ BondGirl

    So excuse me one mo time, although some are doing their best monkey see and monkey do the best doo-dooing by spouting the word “hypocrite”, I understand BondGirl’s words and believe them, AND knowing the film has received a NC-17 rating for “male and female full-frontal nudity, graphic depictions of straight/gay/three-way sex, masturbation, urination and a gruesome suicide attempt” has led my reasoning of why “I” have no desire to see the film (I don‘t have to see the movie). And, it’s not hypocritical to ask what others are so enthralled about, which I’ve consistently done throughout this discussion.

  • AccidentalVisitor | September 11, 2011 2:35 AMReply

    {{{ Tyler Perry may not have done…. your words “the same thing” as Mr. McQueen, however many of us are grateful for his efforts. How many black folks were in Steve McQueen’s movie, and on his staff? }}}

    I don't know. But whatever the number I'm guessing they weren't underpaid and underappreciated as those working for Tyler are known to be. Who cares how many black folks that dude employs when he pays them on the cheap to such an extent that he has been called out by professionals of all races in Hollywood.

  • CareyCarey | September 11, 2011 2:32 AMReply

    Well, it looks like I'm done here. My mother's birthday was today (85yrs) and my brother cooked her a huge pot of gumbo of which I just happen to have acquired a little.

    So I bid you all adieu. I'm off to empower my gut and then settle in for a night of Steve McQueen' s Hunger, Ivan Dixon'x The Spook Who Sat By the Door and Medicine for Melancholy. I've never seen any of them.

  • BluTopaz | September 11, 2011 2:08 AMReply

    "See, that exactly what I’m talking about… snide remarks (like their words are golden, please) but they fail to talk about the core issues of the movie. What is there to discuss about the film that people seem to be running from?!"

    It's not a snide remark because i prefer to read opinions about the film itself, sue me. And other commenters have discussed at length about the little bit of info posted, but it's not what you want to hear so your reading is selective and you claim people are not talking about "core issues".

    And what is the core issue for you? The idea of a Black actress in an intimate scene with a White man (and once again, we still don't know the extent of Nicole's character) makes you speak in tongues. But you couldn't wait to go watch subservient Black women clean up after white girls like it was a requirement for Black History Month, and you are STILL on a high horse about it, as if us college educated Black folk are running from our past and we need to be reminded where we come from. I honestly believe that's the core of your frustration, not this faux outrage about movies.

    You're a smart man, Carey. I've read some of your posts on non-controversial subjects where you provide insight from a different perspective. It's none of my business, but you might not want to cheapen that aspect of your experience here with persistent nonsensical ranting.

  • truth | September 11, 2011 1:58 AMReply

    I respect those who are calling out CrazyCarey's hypocrisy.

  • BondGirl | September 11, 2011 1:50 AMReply

    I respect CareyCarey and others who are concerned that Beharie's role is that of being exploited sexually by her sex addict boyfriend...how is that lambasting her?

    I champion films I enjoy that are rooted in truth. My grandparents represent the characters in The Help, but like the women, they weren't victims.

    No my name doesn't refer to the white man's bed buddy...I'll let Beharie retain that title. It refers to being a Bond--who's a female. Like Cataleya in Colombiana..but nice try. It's as ridiculous as me assuming you're an alien or exiled Ph.d of clinical psychology because your username is Foreign Black Chick.and you throw around quasi-medical terms.

    Listen you can go watch Shame or Sex & The City or Gossip Girl or whatever eases your pain. I'm not judging you, but I take issue with being disparaged for enjoying The Help, and won't let anyone off the hook when they come to support a movie like this at the same time blasting my choice or it's actresses.

  • reg | September 11, 2011 1:30 AMReply

    @Carey - the extent to which this so-called discussion has gone so far isn’t what I’d call “thought-provoking”. Much of what I read here, especially in the last several comments, is people trying to one-up each other; others throwing insults, some directly, others not-so directly. There’s nothing to learn in any of that.

    I believe this conversation was pretty much over when Tambay quoted you from another post which shows the hypocrisy on your part. You chastise others for panning a film without having seen it, yet you’ve been doing the same thing on these “Shame” posts… panning it without having seen a single frame of it, hanging onto your own prejudices questioning a film’s merits because its themes and style don’t match what you consider “redeeming.” That’s all absurd my friend.

    I actually agree with you on that point wholeheartedly. No one should criticize/review/dismiss a movie without having seen it. It’s one thing to express concern for what it might depict and what its depictions might mean in some larger social context, taking the history of similar films into consideration (like "The Help"). But what you’re doing here has gone far beyond just expressing concern. You just seem intent on tearing the movie down entirely based solely on what you think it depicts, and also because the majority of commenters are interested in seeing it (since you like to take the minority view even if you don't agree with it). That’s absurd.

    Assuming to know why others are interested in seeing any movie, which has been the base of the arguments you keep making, is absurd.

    You keep questioning others’ motivations for wanting to see the film as if wanting to do so automatically implies some ill-willed motive (even though some have told you explicitly why they are interested in it), just because you think the subject matter is “non-redeeming.” That’s absurd.

    And to continue to make the same arguments without even considering the fact that you are being a hypocrite in doing so is also absurd.

    In essence, the more you continue to argue your points, the easier it is for people to take you less and less seriously.

    Your “me-against-the-S&A-elite” act is at times entertaining, but you can pack it up for now. It’s not necessary here. When the movie comes out, see it. If you still don’t think it’s of any value then we can talk. Until then we’re just blowing steam.

  • Neziah | September 11, 2011 1:18 AMReply

    Damn, I come back and a verbal war has already broke out. lol

  • Carey | September 11, 2011 1:18 AMReply

    The comparisons with “The Help” are ABSURD. Most of the regulars not voicing their opinions on this topic are not doing so simply because they are sick of this moronic and preposterous discussion. ~ Vanessa Martinez

    That’s simply not true. The comparison is how each movie was criticized, and vilified before it was seen. many of the same people who are supporting Shame and were not supporting The Help, did not do so because of technical merit or who the director was, they were addressing issues within the storyline. So based on those dynamics, the caparison is valid and justified.

    “A lot of us, if not the majority here are very interested in this film for reasons that very few of you are having difficulty in understanding. That is baffling to many of the readers who are shaking their heads at this nonsensical debate“ ~ Vanessa Martinez

    Again, the debate is nonsensical only if you believe your position is the only true and righteous one. And make no mistake about it, many do know why others are interested in this film (and it may have little to do with art), but the begging question is... do they, or can they (the Shame crowd) define why they are thrilled about it? I’ve yet to hear an opinion that clearly states why some are interested in this film, other than misha’s last comment. What, is it the subject matter, the nudity, the director (regardless of the subject matter), the black actor, what? I mean, bump an empowering and thought provoking storyline, right? Hey, who cared what the maids were doing, right? Movies are colorblind and sex is just sex, right? Geez, you may have an inside mystical track into the minds of those interested in this movie, but the majority are what and why? I mean, how can you support that statement?

    Baffling?

  • ForeignBlackChick | September 10, 2011 12:53 PMReply

    I hope his next movie can involve more black actors and actresses, and still remain psychological.

    Though of course a director is free to cast who he feels fits the role. Just like how we should all be free to choose what movies to watch and support!

    :)

    Goodnight everyone.

  • ForeignBlackChick | September 10, 2011 12:49 PMReply

    Cant wait to see what career trajectory McQueen has. Will the potential success of this encourage more risk taking and diverse storylines? Hope so.

    ----------------------------------

    BondGirl: Irate, logically unsound, self-grandiose...

    I give it 2 weeks.

    Oh, I like how you're championing for black women struggles as maids or whatever woe-is-me flick is in season(The Help)... and lambasting the women who are interested in this 'Shame' film supposedly for the IR, yet your username is BondGirl, historically a white man's bed buddy.
    I take this as an aspiration/fantasy on your part? Not hating.

    You have issues. But don't worry, your condition already has a name.

    It's called 'projection'.

    On topic: I'm definitely supporting McQueen's unique ventures. Count me in! Moreso now than before ;)

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 12:44 PMReply

    ensue which inspire debate. Within those debates there will be disagreement, and by a natural extension of movies to real life, those disagreement can and will vary from topic to topic. Bottom line, many issues will surface and thought provoking discussions should never be viewed as ridiculous.

    Listen, if everything Reg said be true, he’s actually supporting the fact that we will never all agree on the movie, nor the motivations behind those that enjoy said movies or hate them, so we’re left with a platform that will never find total agreement, about anything. So to imply that the exchanges and ongoing discussions are absurd and ridiculous is totally missing the dynamics of a film blog and it’s comment section. Beside, truth be told, why would a person take THEIR time to give “THEIR” opinion on a film or an ensuing conversation if they believed it was ABSURD to do so. I mean, are they being absurd and ridiculous, or do they believe they words have more merit and more truthfulNESS than the other 40 people who commented before them? If so, in my opinion, that’s really absurd!

    In short, looking at reg’s words “I’m really puzzled by this entire discussion over a film that no one has seen yet!” I believe he’s missing one of the basic point of this blog and it‘s life’s blood. Nearly every film that has been highlighted on this site, was at one time or another a film that was not seen. So the comment section is for what?

    "@CareyCarey Frankly, I am not interested in “positive” messages/images or redeeming qualities. I favor creativity, nuance, complexity, boldness above all else. And I believe many associate such qualities with McQueen’s work. Hence, why they are excited to see his lastest film ~ Misha

    Okay Misha, that's your right and I am not going to assume why others are eagerly awaiting this film.

  • BondGirl | September 10, 2011 12:18 PMReply

    Great article Tambay...not sure why people object to what you're proposing, but it sounds like other angel investment groups, except for films. That is a great idea and something I'd back.

    @Reg: I guess you haven't read online comments about Mel Gibson making a Chanukah film...Jews are fighting like kittens in a basket lol. What we're passionately debating is mild by comparison. S&A probably has more comments re:Shame than any other site.

  • Vanessa Martinez | September 10, 2011 11:57 AMReply

    *sigh* This film is not about race.

    Nicole Beharie plays a young, comely secretary who is attracted to her co-worker Brandon. She has NO IDEA he's a sex addict. He obviously likes her (he is human after all and she is beautiful to men of all races) and decides to take her on a date.

    Her character (Marianne) is the centerpiece of the story; she's there to unravel/uncover Brandon's troubling/crippling issue with REAL intimacy with women. He knows she's not a whore, but perhaps the type of girl with the qualities to have a real connection. When he realizes this, he cannot consume the physical relationship because he is an emotionally stunted human being accustomed to obsessively engaging in meaningless sex.

    Through his interaction with her, he is confronted by his inadequacies. She is a seemingly wholesome, sweet woman looking to make a long lasting connection; therefore, he starts avoiding her like the plague.

    Brandon and his sister were apparently the product of some sort of traumatic abuse as children.

    The film is not about a white man using a black woman as a sex object. It's actually quite the opposite. I think this discussion amongst the minority has become an issue of looking too much into something that isn't there. We all know Nicole Beharie is black; does that mean every role she decides to take will be scrutinized because of her race?? I'm afraid that will be the case with the few of you, unfortunately.

    The comparisons with "The Help" are ABSURD. Most of the regulars not voicing their opinions on this topic are not doing so simply because they are sick of this moronic and preposterous discussion.

    BTW, from what I've heard of a few people that have read the script and seen the film, there's actually about 30% of the script in the film.

    Please accept what you can't control. A lot of us, if not the majority here are very interested in this film for reasons that very few of you are having difficulty in understanding. That is baffling to many of the readers who are shaking their heads at this nonsensical debate.

    BondGirl - you are 100% right about something. Black people are not a monolithic group and have never been.

    Thank you for reading and have a nice evening.

  • misha | September 10, 2011 11:53 AMReply

    Oh and BondGirl, black people have never been a monolithic group. :)

  • misha | September 10, 2011 11:50 AMReply

    @CareyCarey Frankly, I am not interested in "positive" messages/images or redeeming qualities. I favor creativity, nuance, complexity, boldness above all else. And I believe many associate such qualities with McQueen's work. Hence, why they are excited to see his lastest film.

  • Cynthia | September 10, 2011 11:34 AMReply

    Co-sign with Reg. This has gotten TOTALLY ridiculous. S&A highlights/spotlights FILMS + FILMMAKERS of the Diaspora. It's pretty simple. If we posted only so-called "uplifting to the race" info, half of our postings would be taken down by some people. For every two people that like Tyler Perry, someone else doesn't. For every person that's a die-hard Spike Lee fan, two people don't like him. It's all a matter of taste. The great thing about this debate is, as you stated Bondgirl, we're not a monolithic group and that's a GOOD thing. Frankly, that notion has done a serious disservice to our race/community because it was easy for the "powers that be" be to decide not to give us variety and options as they do with other cultures.

    The correct link for S&A newbies to read: http://bit.ly/o5v3zP

  • reg | September 10, 2011 11:11 AMReply

    I'm really puzzled by this entire discussion over a film that no one has seen yet! This is absurd!

    How about this: I'm interested in seeing the film because I'm interested in the director's work after what I've seen of his previous work. I'm interested in the cast because I've seen their past work and I've been impressed enough to see more of their work. Cast and crew together are a combo that i'd sit up and pay attention to anytime. Until they disappoint. So this could be a film about a green goblin with a toe fetish who swings from lanterns while screwing donkeys, and i would still be curious enough because of who's involved in it.

    I'm not certain why that can't be understood. Some folks are projecting here. You can't assume to know each and every person's motivation for seeing any movie. Or not seeing any movie. To do so is presumptuous and arrogant.

    And I'm not sure when graphic sexuality in film became "nonredeeming." Where are we and what century are we living in again? Watch the film first, put the sexuality in context, and if you're still turned off by it, then you are. Nothing wrong with you; but nothing wrong with the film either. It has a right to exist. You have a right to not see it.

    I'm sure everyone's got a favorite actor, actress, director or even producer they would pay to see anything they are in or they're making, no matter what it is. You believe in the talent involved in the making of a project and that's all you really got to go on. Everything else is just guess work and assumptions at this point until you've actually seen what that talent has done on screen with the material. And if you're not a fan of the past work of cast or crew then you're not, and you skip the film and move on to the work of talent you do like.

    It's that simple.

  • BondGirl | September 10, 2011 10:55 AMReply

    "Let me remind you that you are new here and you recently discovered S&A site."

    HUH? Is this Delta Sigma Theta? Did I enter Hell Week? This is not School Daze, although you may be a Wannabee...it's a blog. Fresh commentors are par for the course. What are you talking about???

    I simply asked for examples of films (since that is what this blog is about-discussing films) that supported your "BFF roles, sexual object/fantasy, mammy roles etc" theory..but wait, wouldn't Shame (since again, we're suposed to DISCUSS films) fall into your category of sexual object/fantasy?? Hmmph...weird how people are conce.rned with the reputation of black roles unless it's something THEY like.

    For the record, I don't have to see the movie to know it's graphic...here's a tip Miss I Wish I Was A Successful Screenwriter to Make Black People Kings & Queens In Every FIlm, the shooting script is the film. That's all I have to read to know how each shot is going to look even with scene descriptions. Just as there are those who know they will like the movie from what info they have. I never bashed the film, not sure what I posted that gave you that impression. I know you hate to hear what I know & who I know blah blah blah, but I've been jockeying for weeks to work alongside Chiwetel & McQueen so you must have me mixed up with CareyCarey.

    My opinion is that the film doesn't uplift blacks anymore than The Help like everyone is trying to pretend like it does. Vanessa gave plausibility to a maybe-in-the-future prospect for actors, and that is valid. But you never said that, nor did anyone else make that point.

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 10:37 AMReply

    {{{BondGirl, you can’t be serious. Tyler Perry did not do the same thing - AccidentalVistor}}}

    Of course she’s serious and her point is very valid. Her comment was in response to Sergio’s statement/suggestion that black directors have not tackled risky subjects such as sexuality. She used one example and I believe it’s safe to included Precious.

    Now your comment was essentially a platform to argue the merits of how Tyler Perry handled the issues in question, thus you’re evading and clouding the central issue. That being, other black directors beside Steve McQueen have heard the call and stepped up to the challenge. Come to think of it, CAN we add Spike Lee to the mix? Sure we can.

    Now if you have a problem with how Spike, Tyler and Lee Daniels have handled the sexuality issue, go at it, but to imply that McQueen has accomplished some fantastic feat by giving us a product laden with graphic sex in a film you have not seen, is an unsubstantiated opinion.

    Tyler Perry may not have done.... your words “the same thing” as Mr. McQueen, however many of us are grateful for his efforts. How many black folks were in Steve McQueen’s movie, and on his staff? And what were their roles? Seriously, although you have not seen the film, what are you assuming are the redeeming qualities of Shame? That’s the big elephant that everyone seems to be running from. What... he’s tackling a “risky” with subject with “nuance” and what else? Let's stick to the issue at hand and not cloud the issue nor run from the elephant.

  • Mecca | September 10, 2011 10:27 AMReply

    @ Cynthia

    That is a dead link.

  • Cynthia | September 10, 2011 10:25 AMReply

    Btw...the link below should be "required" reading for all newbies to S&A. Seriously.

    http://bit.ly/o5v3zP

  • BondGirl | September 10, 2011 10:11 AMReply

    @AccidentalVisitor: Disclaimer: I have not seen the movie. I am however, a fan of Tyler Perry.

    I ddn't see the movie because frankly I felt that it should've always stayed a play. Too much prose which doesn't transfer to a great screenplay. I have no idea who wrote it, but I heard he made major changes and I wasn't convinced it would work. I will say, Steven Spielberg couldn't make that play work. So I'm giving him credit for effort, not results. And I couldn't imagine Martin Scorcese doing Shame...everyone has their lane.

    I was curious about Sergio's opinion since he stated that he wished black directors took chances regardless if they flopped (which apparently TP did)

  • Mecca | September 10, 2011 10:08 AMReply

    Vanessa,

    Lmao! @ that clip!

  • Mecca | September 10, 2011 10:02 AMReply

    BondGirl, I don't know why you get your self all worked up over NOTHING! I mean it's cool that you are passionate about film and you show an interest in it. Like the rest of us here on this site.

    Let me remind you that you are new here and you recently discovered S&A site. STOP tryin to act like you know more than everybody else! #NotAGoodLook

    First off, when I said Hollyweird likes to see AA actresses in mammy roles or (stereotypical roles) catering to whites. I meant character portrayals in the H-wood films that tend to be the same recycled crap like; BFF roles, sexual object/fantasy, mammy roles etc.

    Oh, and you must be seriously deluded if you think Tyler Perry was groundbreaking/riskier when he directed "For Colored Girls" cuz he wasn't. Are you forgetting the story was adapted from Ntozake Shange (I think that's how you spell her name) play "For Colored Girls Who Considered Suicide When The Rainbow Is Enuf"

    It is evident that this discussion is going nowhere. I don't know why you have so many issues w/ McQueen's "Shame" the film hasn't even been released yet in NYC. How a bout you just wait until the film comes out before you bash it next time on a post. Miss I know Michael Fassbender we are very intimate...blah blah blah blah blah

  • AccidentalVisitor | September 10, 2011 9:48 AMReply

    {{{ Didn’t Tyler Perry do that in For Colored Girls? Or are you not a fan as well? }}}

    BondGirl, you can't be serious. Tyler Perry did not do the same thing. He adapted another story of black-woman-done-wrong and couldn't even do the material justice (although the material was a tad dated). He took the characters and their awful situations and "pretty-ied" up for the big screen. He had no clue about subtlety or the impact of quiet moments; instead he displayed that he is all about perfect lighting ,static camera movement and over-the-top theatrics. He took his own personal sledgehammer to that story/ film and dared to try passing it off as art. He also seems to have an understanding of only one sex although even that understanding appears to be superficial. In fact I even agree with one critic who boldly stated after seeing "For Colored Girls" that Perry is ashamed of black sex/sexuality and seems to display a distaste for black bodies. Perhaps that has something to do with his traumatic childhood experiences. Or maybe not. Anyway I could not imagine Perry doing a film like "Shame". I can't see him leading his actors and actresses towards outstanding performances and I doubt he would be able to wrap his head around something like, oh, nuance when working with such a script.

  • BondGirl | September 10, 2011 8:42 AMReply

    Good for Michael! He earned every penny.

    @Mecca: "That’s thing! Hollyweird ONLY wants to see Blacks in the same-old pathetic, fat mammy chronicles that cater to white folks.

    Hmm...and which films in the last 5 years had black actors catering to whites? Yeah, "Just Wright" really catered to whites. Support your "facts", this is the technology age. You can't just throw around comments unless you can back it up. The only fat mammy I remember was Mo'Nique and the last thing her character did was cater to a white person. The fact that she won an Oscar when her character SO HATED white people says a lot of the fact that Academy voters can separate life from art.

    @Vanessa: It's 12 Years A Slave, not 10.

    @Sergio: "P.S. I should also add that I’m glad to see a black director taking on riskier, more edgier material in films. That’s something I’ve wanted to see for a long time. To see black directors take it to the edge and go past the boundaries, for example when it comes to films dealing with sexuality."

    Didn't Tyler Perry do that in For Colored Girls? Or are you not a fan as well?

    Well this confirms for me that black people are slowly no longer a monolithic group...just like Latins.

  • Zeus | September 10, 2011 8:01 AMReply

    Great news about the Venice Film Festival award. Fassbender is a great actor and with Nicole in it, this is a must see for me.

    Mad respect for McQueen for taking on risk taking subjects. My kind of filmmaker. Not to mention he knows what the hell he is doing as a director. Good to see a filmmaker with actual TALENT rewarded.

    The more risky, the more edgy, the better.

  • Vanessa | September 10, 2011 7:54 AMReply

    Hey guys,

    Great video of Michael Fassbender after accepting his Venice Film Fest actor award. :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2yFIe1eslY

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 7:14 AMReply

    "Shame (a film we have to repeat again that no one has seen yet outside of the film festival circuit and most likely won’t play in Iowa or whatever far flung desolate place you live in) " ---Segio Mims

    Come on Sergio, you're from the south side of Chicago (a neighborhood I've visited many times and wouldn't want to live there) but a foolish man can live in a penthouse in Chi Town or Bum Fk Egypt, so what's your real point?

    Look, one more time, I've thoroughly addressed and explained my concerns and praise of .Precious and FCGs which, if you were honest or have been reading along over the past 2 years, my opinion of said movies had little or nothing to do with how you've snidely and ineptly compartmentalized it. So let me say this one more time - in a very short version...

    Have you guys noticed that the more discerning eyes, and those who have shown the courage to voice a more open and honest opinion/view that may not be the most popular or favorable opinion, are not weighing in on this debate.? People like Miles Ellison, Jug, Laura (who does not let her children watch BET nor Nickelodeon), Charles Jordon, AccidentalVisitor and the like have by and large taken a hands off approach to this movie that I believe is appropriately named Shame - WHY?

    I mean, I have an idea why they have not chimed in, but is Shame empowering the black voice, the black consciousness, the black actor or the “black” movie cannon? What about the black woman... is Shame ushering in positive messages in regards to her struggles? Granted, the movie has earned Fassenberger an award, but... and... and what?

    I’m suggesting the loudest voices.... the rah-rah Shame crowd is ingratiating and championing a movie that does little or nothing to move the black “voice” in a positive direction.

    Is a fear of not being disliked and/or being ostracized by "A Jury of His or Her Peers" at play?

    Many people fear nothing more terrible than to take a position which stands out sharply and clearly from the prevailing opinion. The tendency of most is to adopt a view that is so ambiguous that it will include everything and so popular that it will include everybody -- Rev Martin Luther King,

    And that's why I love me some JMac and Bondgirl, they are not afraid to tell the truth, regardless of who disagrees!

  • Vanessa Martinez | September 10, 2011 7:09 AMReply

    Seriously, McQueen better get an award nomination for best director, IF Fassbender and Mulligan are nominated for Academy Awards.

    That's what's really exciting for McQueen and his next projects "10 Years a Slave" and maybe "Fela," IF the latter is still on the horizon. Besides, it means more opportunities for black actors and lovely Beharie. :-)

    #WINNING

  • Sergio | September 10, 2011 6:35 AMReply

    Carey

    So let me get this straight, you defend and support films like Precious and For Colored Girls in which black women are degraded, assaulted, sexually abused and raped by black men, but you have a problem with Shame (a film we have to repeat again that no one has seen yet outside of the film festival circuit and most likely won't play in Iowa or whatever far flung desolate place you live in) because it might be rated NC-17 or because a black woman has sex with a white guy or what is it exactly?

  • JMac | September 10, 2011 6:19 AMReply

    I'll throw this in here before the delete happens.

    I have a general rule of thumb that if a film dealing with a particular subject matters ends up on Lifetime network, the subject matter most likely isn't risky or risque anymore - if it ever was. Got news for you. They've done the sex addict topic years ago except then it was about a married woman with children who has to confront her sexual addiction. Sounds like a better premise than this movie although the tv movie's quality would be worse.

    Let's not fool ourselves that the subject matter is the draw. It's weak, tired, old and been done to death on tv. A reason to get cable? We all know the real draw in order of influence is: (1) explicit sex/porn, (2) mainstream actor being in an explict sex/porn movie - Fassbender, (3) Black director, (4) small, limited role for an unknown black actress - don't get mad you know the public in general doesn't know who the hell Nicole is.

    Glad to learn that this McQueen guy isn't American. Now I have another thinly valid excuse to distance myself from certain representations. Before I'd have to say "that's not an accurate image, that's how white men portray us" then "that's not an accurate image, that's how white women portray us" to "that's not an accurate image, that's how uneducated slavery mentality hood niggas portray us." So this time I can use the black non-American angle.

    One day it'd be nice if a female actress's worth isn't always tied into how naked she'll get or how open she is to engage in explicit sex scenes... you know, in the same way men don't have to. Even then, it's no guarantee that those sacrifices will get you where you want to go. *cough* Lisa Bonet.

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 5:42 AMReply

    "I don’t find the sideshow acts on these Shame threads entertaining at all. But I am glad they have not totally detracted from actual discussion of the film and filmmaker"-Blu Topaz

    See, that exactly what I'm talking about... snide remarks (like their words are golden, please) but they fail to talk about the core issues of the movie. What is there to discuss about the film that people seem to be running from?!

  • tambay | September 10, 2011 5:40 AMReply

    By the way... just announced... Michael Fassbender wins the Venice Film Festival Copa Volpi for Best Actor for his performance in SHAME. Sign of what's to come?

    Carry on... :)

  • Sergio | September 10, 2011 5:31 AMReply

    @dcmovie girl

    "I’m not sure if it’s because the studios are afraid these projects won’t sell with “from John Singleton” before the marquee-cred, for the Taylor Lautner star vehicle, Abduction, like a comparable white director or what."

    But then again a "from John Singleton" credit is not the box office selling draw that it once was years ago. What's the point of using it in an ad campaign? In fact I even doubt most younger filmgoers even know who Singleton is. For the sake of argument if the film had been made by Lee Daniels, they would have made that a part of the selling strategy for the film.

    As for example: "Now a new and totally different and unexpected film from the acclaimed director Lee Daniels"

    And McQueen is a world renowned and famous visual experimental artist who been making silent films as part of his art work for years. Hunger was his first feature film

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 5:14 AMReply

    Okay, it's time I defend my position. I believe Bondgirl will agree that we are only questioning the appearance of a double standand and I'm questioning the motivation and mindset behind them.

    For instance, for argument sake let's take Shame off the table (for now).

    Now, while discussing movies (this thing we do) we take sides and then defend and/or support each movie in question. Consequently, over the last few years people have riled. ranted and raged over films like Precious, For Colored Girl, Medea, The Help, and Big Mamma, etc. Comedy aside, each of those movie's subject matter dealt with issues within our community, and to a large degree many of those issues spoke to the struggles of black women.

    One of the main issue in FCG’s revolved around each woman’s inner turmoil and how each arrived at their own defining moment. Some of their pain and suffering came at the hands of others, however, it goes without question that much of it was self imposed, and so the most pertinent message was "only they could change what others can not fix". The message? Look inside.

    One of the main storylines in Precious - the movie and the character - was the ideology that we are by and large products of our environment, family and friends. The apple does not fall far from the tree.

    And it goes without question that the lines of division in regards to The Help do not need anymore clarification.

    Now, Medea and Big Momma are comedies, however, just like the above mentioned movies, people have vehemently objected to their subject matter, not necessarily because of their technical merit, or lack there of, but because of what some consider as immoral values, ghetto porn, unfavorable stereotypical black images, etc, not to mention the tangled web of messages they my be sending to our children and the world.

    And now we have Shame. All but a few - on this board/blog - are championing this movie as if it’s messages and images of black folks are something we should to pass down and/or emulate and be proud of. Where are the same protests and dissenting voices of disdain?

    I mean, is it because a white guy can be called the polite and soft and politically correct word “sex addict”, but if this was a black man (in a Tyler Perry Movie) he’d be called a womanizing dog? Yeah, one of the voice said “we need more movies like this”. Are we again being bambozzled?

    In short, what expected messages are we hoping to receiving from this movie that makes it ‘hands off”? And what’s the motivation and mindsets of those protecting it and championing it, like it’s the next coming of the lord.... while they spew venom at the aforementioned “black” movies. Shame is a NC-17 rated movie, Why is that, and what’s good about it.? And please, the “black director” argument is a moot point.

    Seriously y’all, there where over 80 comments of protest when Holly Robinson was fired from The Talk, and over 500 voices of disapproval of The Help, But now, an NC - 17 (basic skin flick) gets praise and limited abjection... and a black woman is part of the mix???!!!!

    S& A can be a very intimidating place but I have to believe there are others out there that are not championing this flm, but do not welcome controversy, and thus, do not want to battle the dominating voices on the board?

  • Mecca | September 10, 2011 5:13 AMReply

    Misha, I agree!

    "The Help" gets all kinds of praises from young and old audiences. *confused face* I really don't see the fascination w/ "The Help" I mean misha I couldn't have said it any better. The Help is serving up the same old, heaping pile of hollywood mess!

    That's thing! Hollyweird ONLY wants to see Blacks in the same-old pathetic, fat mammy chronicles that cater to white folks.

    DCMovieGirl,

    for some reason don’t get the publicity for being black and behind the camera like so-called “black” or “urban” projects do and that’s a damn shame.


    I’m not sure if it’s because the studios are afraid these projects won’t sell with “from John Singleton” before the marquee-cred, for the Taylor Lautner star vehicle, Abduction, like a comparable white director or what.

    Yes! It is a damn shame! Unfortunately, the film industry doesn't cater to us we are all aware of the issues at hand. I think Steve McQueen is desperate to get his name out there and I think it's great that he wants to tell stories that are not often dealt w/ in cinema.

    Oh, and I like your blog!

    I am a big Sci-Fi fan my self!

  • Quentin | September 10, 2011 4:06 AMReply

    "Can you see any black actor or actress worth their salt waiving their nudity clause to do it? And if so, who?" -- BondGirl

    Exactly. Thank you for saving me the hassle. Well said... smdh.

  • dcmoviegirl | September 10, 2011 3:46 AMReply

    Huh, didn't know the director was black.

    That's good to hear. It's always nice to see people thinking and doing things outside of the box.

    Black directors who do "riskier" projects (read: starring white folks and/or not a soapy drama or round-the-way comedy starring black folks) for some reason don't get the publicity for being black and behind the camera like so-called "black" or "urban" projects do and that's a damn shame.

    I'm not sure if it's because the studios are afraid these projects won't sell with "from John Singleton" before the marquee-cred, for the Taylor Lautner star vehicle, Abduction, like a comparable white director or what.

  • tambay | September 10, 2011 3:11 AMReply

    Ok so I'm not going to allow this thread to become another silly flame fest like previous posts about "Shame."

    If I can use Carey's own words posted earlier today in response to the 50 Cent "All Things Fall Apart" film that most folks dissed: " I would never pan it before seeing more.

    Words to live by won't you all agree? And last I checked, the film hasn't been released yet.

    I've got an itchy trigger finger and it's hovering over the "delete" button.

  • truth | September 10, 2011 3:09 AMReply

    Now we know you smoke crack, Zeus's trailer was very well done.

    Someone hand CrazyCarey some kleenex please, again. He just got two right hooks to the face. lol

  • misha | September 10, 2011 3:09 AMReply

    Oh come on, Blu. You don't enjoy a good trainwreck?!

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 2:52 AMReply

    ***winking @ Bondgirl... 4 hours :-(


    Now come on Zeus, you don't want me to talk about that ahh... you know, HORROR movie of YOURS.... YIKES!

    You know that was worst than any chittlins... don't you? You better stay in your lane... lame boy.

    And Sergio, come on man, not from the guy who said "black folks are so senisitive". I mean, what, you didn't like your lines and what Blu said about you? I mean, look at this one more time... BluTopaz “but of course, all that nekkid pure alabaster flesh makes Sergio savage with desire!!! Look at his old ass sitting over there with his tongue hangin’ out”

    Sergio: Shiiiiiit, you know I’m an old freak. I confess as well that I like to take it to the edge and go past the boundaries when dealing with sexuality. The more squeamish “dangerous” stuff like porn the better.

  • BondGirl | September 10, 2011 2:39 AMReply

    ROTFLMAO!!! CareyCarey, how long did it take to come up with all that? Threesomes, gruesomes...LMAO!!

    I know the girl who filmed the threesome scene w/ Fassbender, and while she enjoyed her experience, production was more Ron Jeremy than Michaelangelo...all this "artistic" bullshit Bush-loving FOX will try to shove down the public's throat in 2 months is not how she described it. Anyone who saw Hunger and think they're getting "that" in a Big Apple setting is mistaken. Big time.

  • Sergio | September 10, 2011 2:37 AMReply

    @ BondGirl

    " I’m not sure why you feel AA directors should make films like Shame…when you say riskier/edgier is it the graphic sex you’re referring to or the subject matter or both?"

    I'm referring to subject matter whether it deals with sex or even something else like, say, graphic horror like those Human Centipede movies. I'm not saying that you to see it and, as I've said before, I feel black directors should make any kind of film that they want to make. But I would like to see more black director take risks in films. Sometimes it might work, sometimes it won't. but give it a shot.

  • Zeus | September 10, 2011 2:32 AMReply

    Hell no! I haven't read one his posts in the last five months.

  • Sergio | September 10, 2011 2:28 AMReply

    Does anybody actually read any of these long winded, rambling and incoherent mutterings by CareyCarey?

    It''s like an crazy person screaming in the street. No one wants to listen to him and crosses the street to avoid him

  • BluTopaz | September 10, 2011 2:25 AMReply

    I don't find the sideshow acts on these Shame threads entertaining at all. But I am glad they have not totally detracted from actual discussion of the film and filmmaker.

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 2:16 AMReply

    AccidentalVisitor: “It’s can’t be all that bad, let me take a look at that. Good lord, Is it too late for the film to use The Weeknd’s “Wicked Game” as it’s calling card? I’m not a prude (or at least I believe that is the case) but Good Lord, nude booty Rudy That reminds me, hey JMac! I’m hollerin’ at ya baby, let me sing my song to ya.... “ I wanna do somethin’ freaky to you”

    JMac: “Ha! You can’t handle this Mr Accidental. I don’t want your long winded ass accidentally fumbling around my cookies and breathing all over me. I watched it but had no real opinion so I didn’t say anything. Hormones must be settling down today”

    BondGirl: “It’s a class issue… one black girl coughmeccacough told me she can’t “relate” to Viola bc she went to high school in the O.C! Bitch, that was 20 yrs ago…you’re 40! Anyway, I’m not interested in rehashing pimps up and ho‘s down….let’s move on to this film…let the double-talk begin in 5, 4, 3, 2,....


    Mecca: Bondgirl, What is your problem? It seems like you have an issue w/ everyone.

    Nikyatu: “Mecca, you want me to handle this? Hit me: films@nikyatu. I know what to do with all this vitriol being tossed around in here”

    Neziah: “Come on, let me see the clips” ** 3 minutes goes by ** “Sweet. Keep up the great coverage”

    CareyCarey: “hush, don’t cry fool when a black maid appears on the screen.”

    Bondgirl: “my stomach in knots from laughing so hard!!!

    Kia: I’m looking forward to the screening in NY as well. Fassbender’s character sounds complex and intrigued to see how his interaction w/Nicole’s char plays out.

    Mecca: “ME TOO! Oh I can’t wait to attend the screening @ TIFF! I am so jealous of Nicole, I have been looking all over for someone to make me feel like a real lady.

    The Old WitheredRose: “I’m all in too. I Can’t wait to see this movie. As well as Michael and Nicole’s chemistry because I know its going to be great!! I’m Old and I’m withered, but a bi*ch can dream can’t she? Come on now, too much naked ass ain’t never scared me.

    Tambay: “Wait a minute now. I’m the big bad wolf up in here. and if there’s any screwing around going on, I gots to get a piece of it. I believe I speak for the rest of the “Afristocracy” (I believe is the term used) when I say that we love hearing from the proletariat… or is it the lumpen-proletariat… who keep us connected to the common folk.
    I mean, not everyone is privileged enough to experience and enjoy the spoils that we in the elite, ruling class are swimming in daily. And that’s unfortunate, because, I gotta tell ya folks, the view from up here is spectacular! :) I see all kinds of naked ass from up here”

    Orville: I don’t understand why Shadow and Act make such a big deal about this... this Nicole Beharie, anyway? My eyes are on this gay looking dude. 3 way baby... yes yes yes!

    Tambay: Orville, alright I’ll come clean… I should make it known now that I’m dating Nicole Beharie. Yes, that’s it. You like peter and I like P***Y, so there it is.

    A: Can’t WAIT to see this. Wow - I agree with Orville & Nikyatu there’s something about Fassbender. And excuse me, but, help me, my intensity, I’m really getting out there.
    dennycrane: “ Don’t touch him, he deserves this. Sex in film is a tricky topic
    By
    JMac: What’s the Difference between a whore and an actor? I’ll keep that to myself.

    **Accidental Visitor is again seen winking @ JMac**

    CareyCarey: “Everybody raise your hands in the air if you don’t think our leading black actresses are being exploited? Oh, that’s right, they are working and it’s furthering their careers… as long as they are not playing maids - right?”

    ** EVERYBODY YELLS** “FU*K YOU CAREY!!!”

    CareyCarey: ” I’d rather spend my money on a bag of frog spit.”

    Nia: “I’m curious to see if the claims about black actors being exploited sexually will carry over here in this movie. Race is the prominent factor and sex and sex and mo‘ sex, at least from what I see in the trailer, is expected as well. Or are there double standards? Hmm”

    Blaqbird: “Damn I missed all the fun! Money was calling me so I had to work today.
    As much as I’ve enjoyed this rousing discussion, I see it has slowly come to a close, but I’ll still throw in my two cents. Listen, girl please, this whole argument about Beharie being a whore and blah blah blah, shiiiit, are you kidding me, I’m as thirsty as the next sistah with her thumb out, so I ain’t hatin’ on nobody. Threesomes, gruesomes, two-somes, piss & pokes, I don’t care, I need love. And Carey can kiss my black ass!”

    Carey; Bring it over here and let me see what I can do with it. Let me get my shame on.

  • Carey | September 10, 2011 2:15 AMReply

    Well Cynthia, you got your wish.
     
    ***SHAME is Coming To a Theater Near You***

    “male and female full-frontal nudity, graphic depictions of straight/gay/three-way sex, masturbation, urination and a gruesome suicide attempt, all for you viewing pleasure”

    The crowd at S&A are getting ready for the big event.
    Nikyatu: “

    Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought the script was sparse but smart and Fassbinder is mesmerizing to watch. Really looking forward to this one. Thank god for McQueen”

    Ms.Stone: “I am incredibly excited. I’m “Hungry” I know this is absolutely a brilliant piece of art”

    CareyCarey: “Really???”

    Nia: I don’t get why everyone is up in arms about the sex scenes. I believe all the actors can carry out a solid performance.

    Carey: Urination, masturbation, gay and three-way sex? solid performance? Yeeeeah....

    Nia: Well, I believe broaching the topic of addiction will be handled with the utmost precision and nuance by both the actors and directors.

    Carey: “Golden flows have no precision, nuance nor direction, that‘s liquid nastiness”

    Vanessa Martinez
    *sips Martini*

    Anwar: Nitole Bennarriee, excuse my Engliiiish, I no be in amerdeca long, IS involved in one of the graphic sex scenes in the film and she is nude.

    Sergio: “Let’s cut through this bullsh*t. You guys know I work @ Ebony so don’t tell nobody, but I was able to acquire a few sneak pre-views. Look at this sh*t right here”

    ** Orville takes a peek and then squeals with his hands over his mouth. Cynthia faints and falls to the floor**

    Sergio: “Most likely, I would say, it’s going to be picked up by IFC which goes for riskier stuff. And somebody please pick Cynthia up off the floor, Damn, the woman is showing all her surprises”

    Vanessa: “I have also read that there is a bidding war with distributors over this film. There’s interest out there”

    BluTopaz: “Let me see that Sergio. DAYUM! Last time i saw something like that was in Requiem for a Dream. I’m always keen to watch work from Black Freaky Deaky Filmmakers out there, but there are a lot of hangups and mental blocks here. Damn, WTH are they doing. Now that’s some nasty shit and I‘m from NY baby!!!????”

    Clnmike: “For real?! Look at Fassenberger, he wont bust a bag of popcorn with that pee shooter, and this movie is getting just a little too much hype on here”

    BluTopaz: “Let me see that Sergio. DAYUM! Last time i saw something like that was in Requiem for a Dream. I’m always keen to watch work from Black Freaky Deaky Filmmakers out there, but there are a lot of hangups and mental blocks here. Damn, WTH are they doing. Now that’s some nasty shit and I‘m from NY baby!!!????”

    Clnmike: “For real?! Look at Fassenberger, he wont bust a bag of popcorn with that pee shooter, and this movie is getting just a little too much hype on here”

    BluTopaz “but of course, all that nekkid pure alabaster flesh makes Sergio savage with desire!!! Look at his old ass sitting over there with his tongue hangin’ out”
    Sergio: Shiiiiiit, you know I’m an old freak. I confess as well that I like to take it to the edge and go past the boundaries when dealing with sexuality. The more squeamish “dangerous” stuff like porn the better.

    Vanessa Martinez“well before seeing that opening scene, I was really intrigued because it sounded sexy and interesting, but then I saw that,.. that... love fest, and just the way everyone was looking all nasty, walking and then stood there like, I’m so beautiful and I’m naked; don’t you want me?” That turned me off.

    Coco; Maybe I shouldn’t say this, but does any of you guys go for the sexy urination thing? Aside from it being a cinematic beauty, I think it’s so sexy. It turns me on”

    ***everyone drops their head, and slowly moves away from Coco***
    Cont......

  • Mecca | September 10, 2011 2:14 AMReply

    Accidental Visitor,

    What's wrong w/ Harvey & Co.? I'm actually surprised that Fox Searchlight Pics would even consider copping rights to a flick like "Shame" one person I know said, it is very graphic w/ loads of full frontal nudity so I am not sure if the general audience can handle something like that when it makes its way to theaters across North America and worldwide.

  • misha | September 10, 2011 1:57 AMReply

    I have to say that I have avoided posting in these Shame threads but boy, are they entertaining!

    Oh...why have I avoided it? Well because the likes of CareyCarey and BondGirl are on the attack! :P Don't worry guys, no need to come calling me out. I can't say I'm eager to see this film, though I am a fan of the beautiful and talented Nicole Beharie and McQueen's Hunger.

    However, I should point out that while I have major issues with The Help, I don't have any problems with the subject matter of this film or Nicole being in it. *ducks for cover* And the reasons are twofold. One, The Help is serving up the same old, heaping pile of hollywood mess. Yet another move with racial stereotypes galore but masquerading as a "feel-good" story. And no, I don't necessarily have a problem with black actresses playing maids. I'm intrigued by any role that depicts black women (folk) as the complex people we really are. Secondly, I don't find the idea of black actresses engaging in sex scenes with white men offensive in and of itself. Yes, this is a discussion we've had many times but apparently it bears repeating. Unless such a role is accompanied by stereotypes, I'm not going to make a fuss over it. And since I don't believe Nicole and most importantly, McQueen, are interested in flaming said stereotypes, I'll save the indignation...at least until after I see the film. :)

  • AccidentalVisitor | September 10, 2011 1:53 AMReply

    Ha! Fox Searchlight it is. Just as I hoped. Screw Harvey and his company.

  • Cynthia | September 10, 2011 1:21 AMReply

    Well @CareyCarey...I hate to add to your misery but I can't wait to see the film as well. Sergio's right...We need more black directors creating edgier productions. This "safe" crap has got to go.

  • BondGirl | September 10, 2011 1:20 AMReply

    Yeah, Deadline called it 6 hours ago. This is as old and weary as coverage of the 10th anniversary of 9/11...lol

    Academy voters are geriatrics, so I'm hoping they can overlook the gratuitous sex and concentrate on MF's intense thepian skills. Beharie doesn't have a prayer of a chance of getting an award nom, so I hope her PR team milks it for what it's worth...scoring her next film role, and not as the girlfriend experience.

    Sergio, I'm not sure why you feel AA directors should make films like Shame...when you say riskier/edgier is it the graphic sex you're referring to or the subject matter or both? Do you really know how graphic it is or are you speculating? In case you don't know, it really should be rated X...only got NC 17 by default. Can you see any black actor or actress worth their salt waiving their nudity clause to do it? And if so, who?

  • CareyCarey | September 10, 2011 1:14 AMReply

    "take it to the edge and go past the boundaries, for example when it comes to films dealing with sexuality, graphic sex and nudity in the film!" ~ Sergio

    "*sips Martini & smokes a Newport** ~ Vanessa Martinez

    **eyebrow raised** ~ Carey

  • Neziah | September 10, 2011 1:11 AMReply

    I agree with Sergio and I can't wait to see the film. "Hunger" was a disturbing and provocative work of art. McQueen is going places real fast.

  • Sergio | September 9, 2011 12:27 PMReply

    P.S. I should also add that I'm glad to see a black director taking on riskier, more edgier material in films. That's something I've wanted to see for a long time. To see black directors take it to the edge and go past the boundaries, for example when it comes to films dealing with sexuality. (Well of course there are a few black directors who make porn videos but that's another subject for another day)

    I confess as well that I'm not surprised that it was non-American black director to make a film like Shame. African- American directors are still too squeamish to tackle the more "dangerous" stuff

  • Sergio | September 9, 2011 12:16 PMReply

    I'm surprised that Fox Searchlight would go for a film that is supposedly guaranteed to get a NC-17 rating because of the graphic sex and nudity in the film. And McQueen has final cut for the film and will not allow any changes to be made. We'll see how this plays out

  • Kia | September 9, 2011 12:09 PMReply

    YES!! I can't wait to see how they will market this.

  • Vanessa Martinez | September 9, 2011 11:51 AMReply

    I had a feeling this was coming. :-) *sips Martini*

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