How Do We Turn Our 'Rage' w/ Hollywood's Myopia Into Power, Influence, Action...?

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by Tambay A. Obenson
August 27, 2012 1:42 PM
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A quick editor's note...

As the title of the post says, how do we turn all our frustrations with the film industry (the Hollywood studio system specifically) into power, influence, action?

I recently received an email from a reader and filmmaker whose opinions I respect. It was a lengthy one (and I did ask him if it was OK for me to talk about it here); the focus was on the work that we do here on S&A, and the importance of the site's presence in conversations about what we call black cinema, and more.

But what really got my attention was the email's closing sentences, which expressed thanks for the, at-times, unpopular stances we take on various related subjects, and ended with the words, "I love all the rage in your readers' comments! We need those angry voices!"

And those words influenced this post.

I don't read every single comment posted on this site, because I just don't have the time; but I do read enough, and I'm on popular social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter, to get a good enough sense of what many are thinking and feeling.

Let me say that I (and I think everyone who contributes to S&A) share your frustrations with the Hollywood assembly-line system of film production entirely, especially where representation of people of African descent is concerned.

Most recently, with news of Zoe Saldana's casting in Cynthia Mort's Nina Simone project; the general reaction to that news was swift, wide-spread, unrelenting, and overwhelmingly negative.

Now that's just one example. It's the most recent, so I went with it.

But as I've said many times in the past on this site, I'm much more interested in how we can galvanize all that anger, and frustration, and turn it into something powerful, that can actually push *us* forward, and get us closer to where we want to be.

Yes, I realize I'm generalizing here; I'm certainly not speaking for every single black person in the world. But, I've been at this long enough to know what the general mood and feeling is among *us*, when it comes to how infrequent *our* varied stories are represented on screen (big and small).

But, as I'm always asking, now what? What do we do next? Do we continue to be frustrated, angry, marginalized, or do we find a way (whether individually, or somewhat collectively) to affect change? And if so, how do we do that?

I'm really just trying to shift how we think about our involvement in all this, and find ways to turn things around, focusing much less on what we don't like, and instead investing our time, energy and resources into what we do like, or what's promising. I find that much more productive.

Now I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with being frustrated, and angry, and raging, and expressing all of that. But at some point, it's got to get tiring, doesn't it? It got that way for me awhile ago. I recall when I started this site 3 1/2 years ago, some folks said I came across as "angry," and I thought, well, I had/have a right to be angry! What we know as Black cinema was/is in crisis! But all that frustration that I was turning into words on a screen, did nothing to bring about the kind of change I wanted.

So I had to rethink my strategy, and instead opted to invest in something that could affect change, even if it was just a tiny, little bit.

One thing I love about what I do here is discovering new and upcoming projects that look really interesting (to me anyway). I highlight those titles when I find them, hoping that some of you would share in my excitement. There's so little worth reporting on, that the occasional nugget, when found, is a wonderful breath of fresh air!

And I 'd rather focus my energy on ensuring that others know about those few projects that I think are (or at least seem to be) really cool and interesting.

So, instead of expressing frustration on a post that contains news that doesn't please you, consider expressing excitement, or even just hope, on a post that contains news that is more appealing to you.

You might actually find it stress-relieving.

As I replied to the filmmaker/reader who emailed me, raging is fine, but it's not enough; more needs to be done. We've been raging for 100 years, since the medium was invented, and began participating in it. But how do we turn that rage into something powerful, influential, something that simply can't be ignored, and that actually does make a difference?

And I'm not just talking about here on this site; everywhere we exist, where these conversations are being had.

Let's start there... I don't have all the answers; I'm just trying to inspire a different kind of conversation, and mentality, which I think is more purposeful, and gets us closer to that black cinema utopia many of us long for, where we're represented in our varied experiences, across the Diaspora.

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CareyCarey | September 9, 2012 1:32 PMReply

Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge, I'm trying not to lose my head, ah huh-huh-huh. It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under. "But I, Tambay Obenson, I'm always asking, now what?... Do we find a way to affect change? And if so, how do we do that... and get closer to that black cinema utopia many of us long for." Okay I, TGW, I believe we should take up a collection for starving black folks ~ ** The Grand Wizard addressing a KKK meeting ** Okay, maybe that wasn't funny but I've been really thinking about Tambay's request. And, that was my way of embellishing my concerns. See, if I can draw an analogy between Tambay's appeal and the subsequent suggestions/comments, I've noticed that it's as if he asked for a new computer and some folks brought back software, some brought a copy of a computor manual, while others returned with hard drives. I mean, some talked about mobile labs at festivals, while others mentioned renting equipment, writing screenplays, interactive maps, a youtube series doc' and a production company! All of that impressive array of "ideals" were born from Tambay's simple request--> "I'm just trying to inspire a different kind of conversation, and mentality, which I think is more purposeful, and gets us closer to that black cinema utopia many of us long for." So now I, CareyCarey, I'm scratching my head. Well, actually, I've been there. From the jump I questioned the goal? Then I was thinking, what exactly is the black cinema utopia many of "us" long for? Seriously, I am not being facetious, I am questioning who "we" are and what type of films or genre "we're" referring to? I guess, for the most part, I am asking the demographics of S&A's visitors? I've noticed the core of those who regularly comment seem to be over the age of 35? However, I believe those who comment only represent less than 1% of total visitors. But I wonder if the one percent-ers closely resemble or represents the voice and concerns of most who use S&A as a source of information on the Black Cinema? I say that because, again, those who seem to be the most engaged/vocal/active ( i.e. asks questions, engages in continuing discussions (other than drive-by), comment on the more serious posts, etc ) seem to be in the "older" crowd. In short, what are the demographics of the S&A crowd ( i.e., average age, male/female percentages, countries, in the USA-regional percentages - "what region is represented the most?). And, can someone define the goal/mission? @ Nadine, how is it going? Any fruitful updates?
JMac | September 9, 2012 8:34 PM

Yes, but as my dad constantly reminded me, the civil rights movement was primarily helmed and actively supported by young, broke, childless black folks. Never underestimate the power of a collective community :D
CareyCarey | September 9, 2012 7:25 PM

Thanks JMac, that explain a lot, esp the age and income bracket. The largest group are a bunch of broke kids with no kids. If they every have kids they better get a better paying job b/c $50,000 ain't gonna cut it. A modest car, insurance, phone, a very small home or cheap apt/flat, light & gas, a few clothes and food -- and they're done. They better not be paying off student loans. Heck, I see why they don't have much to say... they're sad and broke. Oh, and don't get me started on that speech. That's right in my wheelhouse.
JMac | September 9, 2012 3:41 PM

p.s. You can find those stats on quantcast.
JMac | September 9, 2012 3:40 PM

Going by the old website's stats (shadowandact.com), the largest group was 18-24, then 25-34, followed closely by 34-44. Most are college graduates with an almost even split between no college and graduate school. More females than males (but not by much). Most without kids. Most have household income up to $50K. Overwhelmingly African American, next highest group is "Other." Overwhelmingly US, mostly from CA then NY. Then UK visitors. The whole Indiewire site has about the same trend but I'm sure the racial makeup (and maybe income) is significantly different... couldn't find anything on those. Checkout Nadine's website - not complete yet but gives an idea of different goals that can be pursued depending on a person's particular interest. Was hanging around youtube and rediscovered this speech - recommended viewing for everyone esp. in light of this post and the Clint Eastwood post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCLVs2FuPCA
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Nadine | September 1, 2012 7:50 AMReply

Guys, I returned to this page, actually to let you all know that another board has been created for us to continue this dialogue (a la @JMAC's request - which was a good idea). Just e-mail me your e-mail addresses and I'll forward the link within 24 hours. If you feel uncomfortable forwarding your personal e-mail address, just create a new one with Yahoo or Gmail, etc... That's what I did. The e-mail address I am posting is not my typical e-mail address. If possible, please use the same screen names you use here on S&A (again, if that is okay) and send your e-mail addresses to: nadine2connect (at) yahoo, you know the rest. We have much to tell you all!
Nadine | September 2, 2012 2:58 PM

The convo has been moved to another board. See above for instructions ^^^.
justsaying | September 1, 2012 12:30 PM

Sent.
Victoria Applegate | August 31, 2012 3:05 PMReply

I applaud your efforts. However, as a casual reader I would suggest that you take your internal issues (i.e. business concerns, small updates, exchange of contacts, etc) to the back lot, not here. You apparently have each other's contacts so these small exchanges can give the appearance of "fronting". I realize this is where the idea originated so it's a natural place to "sell" the concept and recruit. But when you "sell", pay close attention to everything the reader may use to come to a conclusion . Good luck.
Nadine | September 1, 2012 7:14 AM

@Victoria - I had a whole long response to acquit these kind and motivated people below who have taken the reins and are truly motivated to effect change, pretty anonymously (as I have only really had Laura's contact info - Laura also being in communication with Charles' - who was one of the first to say she was "down"), but I will not post it. While you were sitting there typing, people were working (i.e. Laura) behind the scenes like maniacs despite their day jobs, by the way, and although others have not explicitly said they were "down" (therefore I do not have their e-mail addresses), they continue to add inspiration and vitality to the conversation. Being in that "not down" purgatory, though, means that the dialogue will occur on this board from time to time (to continue to keep them in the loop), I guess, to your chagrin. Thank you for applauding everyone's efforts and wishing us all luck, but you are complicit in participating in derailing, as your comment, though it may not have been your PRIMARY intent, is meant to derail through dispiriting those INVOLVED in the project and those who may simply be VOYEURS who might be inspired to see a small group of people effect change, large scale without personal gain, thereby possibly inspiring them to do the same (small or large scale) in their own lives and communities. "Frontin'" is an act from a person who FEELS powerless. Those of us actively participating (on this page) understand that anything can be achieved and ANYONE can achieve, therefore there is no need to concern ourselves with the perceptions of "fronting" from those who cannot add to our forward movement. If you want to add to our forward movement jump on board! Please, all are welcome to join and be a part of the dialogue because we are really trying our best to incorporate all the many great suggestions into a solid product to support S&A and other like-minded organizations.
JMac | August 31, 2012 10:06 PM

I think people here know "frontin'" from the real thing. And no, not everybody has each other's contacts which is why some posted their email addresses here. There is no "back lot" - this is it. This site doesn't have private messaging, chat, or any other way to get each other's contact info without putting it in the comments, so how else can you get this information? Telepathy? All that's taking place right now is the attempt to create something from nothing and how to discuss that in a better way than posting on this thread. Nothing's being "sold" and nobody's recruiting for anything because nothing even exists. Don't like those comments, then don't read them. Suggest something related to the article instead.
justsaying | August 31, 2012 7:11 PM

lol who's defensive? I'M saying we have a right to... does every statement have to be a reaction to an attack? would be delighted if many of these suggestions came to fruition. lol btw do YOU understand the word frontin? lol "You don't have to answer..." Yea alright. I guarantee you'll read this message and all the others that follow. STOP FRONTIN.... and sit down.
Victoria | August 31, 2012 6:19 PM

@Justsaying, did someone call your phone? Why are you being so defensive? And who said the comment section should not be used to find more solutions? Many of the comments are moving in that direction. In fact, some of your "suggestions" may come to fruition, but that was not my concern. Btw, do you understand the word "fronting"? You don't have to answer (because I am not coming back) but "fronting" has absolutely nothing to do with the final product. Question: Are you an African American? You seem to be out of touch with our commonly used words.
Justsaying | August 31, 2012 4:20 PM

Everything in the middle CAN be viewed as those things and they can also be viewed in a positive light as well. We have a right to use the comment section to zero in on more concrete solutions. Only time will tell if this is all a front.... Some of my suggestions can be put into play right now...nothing to lose
Victoria Applegate | August 31, 2012 3:46 PM

@ Justsaying, I do not know what you are implying, but please do not take my suggestion in the wrong way. I am simply saying there IS a time to hold them and there IS a time to blow your trumpet. In the interim... everything in the middle can be viewed as self-serving, self-centered and egotistical, which can have the affect of turning folks off.
justsaying | August 31, 2012 3:32 PM

SILENCE.
MicheleB | August 31, 2012 9:30 AMReply

You guys have a lot of great comments and suggestions here.
I've read a lot of the comments but not all of them. Just adding my two cents: I think doing a youtube series doc' like a making of as the process moves along would go a long way in spreading the word about your project. We really need to start utilizing social media facebook/twitter/youtube as a platform beyond the web page. Also, advertising on black celebrity blogs is an option as well, they are extremely popular regardless of how you may feel about the content, they get millions of hits per week. Also, are there any plans on distribution of the films on dvd after release, Bloody Disgusting does that with their '8 Films to Die for'. I think it's a good idea.
Nadine | August 30, 2012 7:42 PMReply

Still waiting on some confirmations... Hopefully we'll hear something by tonight so we can post some updates for you all.
Justsaying | August 29, 2012 3:19 PMReply

These all are great ideas!!
JMac | August 31, 2012 12:22 AM

Oh, I see it's a yahoo account. You could just use messenger provided others have or get a yahoo id. It's been a long time since I've used it but I think it still saves conversations indefinitely (unlike crappy skype) so people on the contacts list can get caught up even if they can't make a chat session.
JMac | August 31, 2012 12:16 AM

Cool! Thanks for the update. Adding email to my contacts.
Nadine | August 30, 2012 7:15 AM

@JMAC - I'll work on the chat (that would take 2 seconds, but it just would not be pretty). I'll see if I can post the chat link later once I've gotten it up for those who prefer that method (I guess we'd also have to set up a time to assemble as well). You can also e-mail us. My e-mail is below and we can connect with Laura. I'm hoping that we will be able to post something substantial by this evening (we have to get permissions for things, etc...). Whatever we post, though, can always be added on to... so keep the ideas a comin'!
JMac | August 29, 2012 8:41 PM

@Nadine. Are you going to post information/updates on a message board or some other site so others know what's going on? That's another thing I hate about IndieWire. At least the old site had a chat room.
justsaying | August 29, 2012 7:31 PM

ok. I'll wait for more info to comment.
Nadine | August 29, 2012 6:16 PM

Hey JUSTSAYING - that's pretty much one of the avenues we're going with BASHE's inspiration! "FIND AN INDIE" - simple resource, map, search by state, find Black Indies, dates & times whenever, wherever, trailers and brief synopses, nothing more than information... leaving the editorials to papa S&A! We're also trying to address the acting piece, @Justsaying - "good lookin' out!" It hasn't been solidified yet, so I don't want to put the wrong information out there. Let us know what you think and if you have/had something else in mind. I think we should have more concrete information (a direction and conglomeration of these ideas) for you guys by tomorrow evening. Everyone's ideas are so great! Keep 'em coming!
justsaying | August 29, 2012 5:44 PM

Yes, that would be excellent and once they get the list going it would only need to be updated every other week. It can include films in development, black writers, black directors and their upcoming films, black centered films directed by whomever etc.... I'm not sure if it's possible but for such films that have a trailer and he does a feature post on it, maybe he can link that to the title of the film so that people can view the list and get information quickly. Even if he doesn't do a feature post on each title, at least the names are up there for everyone to see....it would be a positive move toward empowering the reader/followers. Also S&A has an opportunity to tap into the "acting" audience/readers. There are posts about cinematography, interviews with actors, but what if there was an actor who provided "notes on acting" or talked about film from an actor's perspective in posts and the experience of working with directors good and bad. That is a huge audience to tap into!
Nadine | August 29, 2012 5:12 PM

Hey @JUSTSAYING - just doing a drive-by but I noticed on the homepage that you posted elsewhere on the site something about an additional tab (around the HOME CONTACT and ABOUT US tabs) that would list the Indies. That's a great a idea too. All they'd need would be an S&A intern!
Charles Judson | August 29, 2012 10:33 AMReply

Anyone use Tiki Wiki before?
Nadine | August 30, 2012 7:16 AM

@Charles - Laura is going to send you some info (if she hasn't done so already)
Charles Judson | August 29, 2012 12:47 PM

It looks robust enough to be an IMDB, a Backpages, or a forum for workshopping. Definitely loop me in. charles@/atlantafilmfestival.com.
Nadine | August 29, 2012 11:45 AM

Charles, I dropped my e-mail below. We are working behind the scenes. Would you be able to drop me a line so that we might keep you abreast of what's up? nadine2connectatyaho
Nadine | August 29, 2012 11:05 AM

Not familiar with it. I'll go check it out. It looks like a CMS, though. We're you thinking in terms of the IMDB inspired idea?
Who cares? | August 29, 2012 8:31 AMReply

As soon as I saw the headline of this article I LOL. I didn't have to read it. It's the same complaints made every so often. There is no rage in black cinema. Only complacency. Everyone is comfortable in their roles once they "make it" regardless of what film is being made or approved which may affect black filmmakers as a whole. My meaning; everything is just talk in the filmmaking business. It's all about money and being apart of the "money making-crowd". Even when those same people aren't in a better position than most of us. The goal is to be associated with those folks that make money. Let me know when the Will Smith's, Sam Jackson's and Denzel Washington's of the world find and work with that next great black director, actor, writer etc. Denzel working with Will Smith. Not going happen. Black folks aren't a monolithic block. We're individuals like other groups just trying to make a buck like everyone else. How else do you explain the lack of creativity in the majority of films being made. Hood dramas, sports cliche's, civil rights/race relations, "how to get a man" and musicals. That's all "black cinema" is today. I've worked at several studios and I'm also a filmmaker in LA and I've reached out throughout the years to several prominent black filmmakers and execs and what was their response ... crickets. Not even the opportunity to discuss what I and my film collective group are doing. That includes people on S&A. I consider that a lesson learned. Bottom line is everyone is too busy to read your scripts, checkout your film groups, screen your films and visit your youtube page unless some other important person notices then maybe just maybe you'll get an opportunity to be blessed by the Tyler Perry, Oprah and the Spike Lee's of the world. The sooner everyone who reads this article and comments realizes this isn't a group effort to uplift black cinema the better off we'll be.
K | August 31, 2012 5:26 PM

@Who Cares
Well no one is forcing you to be concerned if you don't want to. But why dismiss those that actually want to see a change in what you call "black cinema"? Wait why do you care if there are a few on top not working together like a Judd Apatow?
JMac | August 31, 2012 12:33 AM

"If they aren't concerned about it then why should anyone else on S&A." Sorry, I've never been one to exhibit a defeatist attitude in anything. I could care less if some popular black actors/directors/filmmakers aren't mining for new talent... who aren't related to them. It's just another problem that should be addressed. Those big names can catch up later or just fade away.
Who cares? | August 30, 2012 10:43 PM

I'm not saying it's a lost cause. What I'm saying is there is no cause for concern. If those black filmmakers at the top aren't searching for the next black talent what makes you think anyone else will. NWA, Bad Boy and Rockafella. From those names you instantly think of the talent that rose from those groups. Now Will Smith, Denzel, Sam Jackson, Halle Berry, Forest Whitaker, Jamie Foxx, and Oprah; there isn't that same drive to find new talent. Kenon Ivory Wayans was probably the last filmmaker to find new talent. Before him it was Spike. If they aren't concerned about it then why should anyone else on S&A.

Now compare that to Judd Apatow. The guy found Seth Rogen, Jonah Hill, Jason Seigal and Paul Rudd. Within the past 5yrs they have starred in over a dozen films.
JMac | August 29, 2012 8:37 PM

Denzel and Wil Smith are working together [remake of Uptown Saturday Night] - check out the blog more. As for your other points, maybe you shouldn't focus on the prominent black filmmakers. If you want change, you've got to start at the bottom and instill an attitude of community success. Nobody's stopping you from posting about your group. What are you doing, where is it, how is it working?
K | August 29, 2012 7:38 PM

So your basically saying it's a lost cause?
kirk | August 28, 2012 5:16 PMReply

With all of this writing I think two 90 minute screenplays could of been written. I'm working on a script and after that one, I plan on working on another. Hopefully AFFRM, or some other establishment will make my stories. I think the idea of having a indie theater show our films is a great idea, and I do have one in my area.

I'm also sick of seeing the usual flakes on the cover of cosmopolitan or Shape magazine. We need another love Jones. It's been 15 years! We also need the unhappy ending movie like 'Celeste and Jesse forever' but with brothers and sisters. There is a lot to screenwriting than I ever imagined. I do have to admit it is a lot of fun. So stop writing a comment on this blog. Go scout a location, register a script with the WGA, or go see a indie black movie. Immerse yourself in creativity!
Charles Judson | August 28, 2012 5:41 PM

I'm not disagreeing with the spirit of your last sentence, but I program a film festival and I'm already sifting through 900 films, with at least 1,000 to 1,40o0 more coming in by December. Sundance is getting 5 to 6 times that. If we don't come up with strategies to help filmmakers produce stronger films, create distribution methods that can be replicated, and develop awareness that goes beyond festivals and other filmmakers, all that energy is going to lead to more dead-ends, stalled careers and filmmakers sitting on piles of produced films that only get as far as the festival circuit, IF they get to see the light of day at all. Only 7 to 9% of the films we have received will get into the festival next year. Sundance is down around 2%. Out of all those Sundance submissions, not even 1% get major distribution let alone make their money back. This conversation is very important and needed.
VC | August 28, 2012 3:58 PMReply

OK, this is probably a dumb idea but here goes, information on the number of black owned theaters in the US doesn't seem to be available. we need one or two working indie theaters in a number of states/cities, members of this site would go to their local indie theater and ask the owner if they would be interested in booking independent black films occasionally, take the yea's and put them on a list or site with contact info, So when a black film maker says I have a hot film he can contact the participating theaters via this list, make a deal, give them a launch date and play the film in at least some of the available screens throughout the country. the beauty of this is that it doesn't require the participating theaters to change anything simply be added to a database of the willing and every black filmmaker would have access to the database. this would also give the filmmaker targets for his or her promotions and advertising. I know it's a ruff-cut and requires some work but something like this may help solve our theatrical distribution problem.

see the new trailer...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLqhp0soMM
Nadine | August 28, 2012 1:12 PMReply

This is starting to sound like a consortium to me... working on it. The more ideas the better...
bashe | August 28, 2012 1:03 PMReply

I thought it might be interesting to get the perspective of a consumer. I love independent black film. I live in Richmond, Virginia---not exactly a hotbed of black indie film action---but at least in part because of this blog, Iâve recently managed to drive to D.C. to see âShameâ and âPariahâ on two separate occasions, and I attended the Blackstar film fest in Philadelphia last month, and I contributed money to the Kickstarter campaign for âAn Oversimplification of Her Beauty.â (And Iâll be in D.C. to see Spikeâs new joint this Friday). Iâm a college professor who regularly includes indie black film on course syllabi, and I conduct yearly summer screenings of black independent film here in RVA and then lead discussions on them (âIâm Through with White Girlsâ; âNight Catches Usâ; and âPariahâ so far---with âMedicine for Melancholyâ likely up next). Iâm thinking of ways I can organize some sort of AUDIENCE collective to support the sort of black independent films I named above; I think itâs criminal that these great films are being made and there are people who would love them but donât know about them and so donât go see them (screening opportunities are yet another issue, but what good is actually getting a film into a theater if no one knows to go see it?). Just thought Iâd throw some light on, you know, THE ACTUAL VIEWERS of the films you guys are trying to organize towardâ¦.
Charles Judson | August 28, 2012 5:10 PM

If you tap into the business and communication departments at some of the schools, you can also leverage screenings at HBCU's to create programs where students can help market and promote films to get credit and training. Several colleges have partnered with film festivals to do this with films and filmmakers, especially with students going through the business and marketing programs who want to be producers or go into film marketing. Filmmakers get an extra marketing arm, students get real world training and learn about the business in the real world.
JMAC | August 28, 2012 5:01 PM

Another suggestion I've brought up before but not sure how it is feasible (maybe Bashe would know) is using our existing HBCU infrastructure to screen movies rather than go through big theater chains or small indie theaters. I mean to rent numerous HBCU facilities across the country to screen a film and charge the public and students to watch, not just screen something for free or $1 admission prices. If part of the problem in getting films played on more screens with major theater chains (or getting them shown at all) is whether there is any real interest, one could use the response at local screenings to prove a film's viability and profit. It would also help to advertise the film -using local campus resources and social networking - and make it more accessible to everyone who wants to see it and can't drive/fly to NY, Chicago, LA.
Charles Judson | August 28, 2012 2:29 PM

Great idea with the listings of indie films playing around the country. I've been doing this for a while and even trying to find release dates and the cities for major films and independent films with resources is incredibly difficult. What makes this idea really feasible is if you use a Wiki style system, you can open source it and empower filmmakers and audiences to add their own film information. Hell, if structured correctly, it could become it's own IMDB type resource.
Nadine | August 28, 2012 1:35 PM

Great input. I'm hearing a need for a resource that would serve as a conduit for the Black Indie audience, that could reference, by viewing location and dates (interactive map), a listing of Black Indie movies at any given time throughout the U.S. and elsewhere. A resource that could also allow for the advertising of such films and those who are conducting the screenings. No significant text outside of the synopses of the films. A mostly visual resource that could partner with an S&A, or similar type site.
Charles Judson | August 28, 2012 11:35 AMReply

SECOND SUGGESTION: Mobile Labs at festivals. I know there's a lot of workshops and panels that are put on at festivals. However, there doesn't seem to be many labs. Something we've done with our festival is move our Screenplay retreat to the festival to give the winners the opportunity to network and see the films. From Sundance to ABFF, there is tons of talent and business experience there. Why not create a series of labs that say a feature film could submit to for a festival. Part of that lab you might have someone who creates trailers advise on what elements of your film would best go in the trailer, how to create different trailers for different audiences, etc. Someone else could advise on how to market your film. This could also be done with screenplays, etc. Slamdance exists along side of Sundance, why not also create a Black Labs in the same vein. Taking this further, you could eventually partner with groups like AFFRM. You have a screenwriter participate in the 2012 Black Lab and when the film is completed, because it went through the Lab AFFRM gets a first look to decide if it's a film they'd like to distribute or to assist in the distribution. You can also bring back those productions to the 2013 labs with a rough cut or a completed film to participate. If you tap into the folks that are already in place in some cities and leverage the number of folks who will be going to Sundance, TIFF, ABFF, SXSW, etc, you could easily create a pretty decent Black Labs in at least four or five places that would happen throughout the year to start.
Justsaying | August 29, 2012 3:23 PM

The blackhouse would be great to reach out to in regard to the labs and hosting especially since their goal is to partner with leading film festivals and help black filmmakers move forward.
Charles Judson | August 28, 2012 2:39 PM

Starting out I would reach out to folks in the loop from film festivals, production and distribution companies, filmmakers and schools to identify the participants for the first few. The structure of the lab so it's flexible, replicable and useful would be a priority for me. The lab should be a place you come to work and to leave with notes you can use and will use. Once you get it down then I'd open it up for submissions. If designed right, it's hopefully a model that can be repeated at other festivals and events anywhere. It can even be a model that participants in one Lab can either create one in their hometown, or be tapped for other Labs themselves.
Nadine | August 28, 2012 12:46 PM

100% communal always sounds good to me. Labs are always fantastic. So a couple of questions how would one become a part of the lab? There seems to be an incentive through the eventual distribution, etc... the analogy to Slamdance is perfect. I'm multi-tasking like heck - just off the Amtrak this morning, but you all are inspiring. I hope to get back to you all with some more thoughts by the end of the day.
Charles Judson | August 28, 2012 11:13 AMReply

SUGGESTION: Reading the suggestions about trading emails took me back to the days I was a writing poetry and I was able to join a listserv that was an ongoing writers workshop. It had minimums you had to achieve every month to remain a member of it. If you didn't offer feedback on a certain number of posts and if you didn't post your own work often enough, you were booted. I could see something like that started easily for screenplays and even films that could eventually grow into something along the lines of Trigger Street Labs. To be truly powerful though, I would aim at projects that are still in development, so commenting on a completed short I don't find as useful as commenting on a second draft of a screenplay, or the rough cut of a short that needs to from 25 minutes to 12. I'd also cap the number that could participate, but have it built in that people roll on and off the list every few months to give others a chance to use the service, build up enough momentum to hopefully build a website version that could open it up to more, and establish the rules of how folks engage. Starting small would also hopefully mean you can create an atmosphere to be honest, specific and helpful in the critiques and establish that as an integral component. This is something that's pretty low cost and allows people to participate from around the world.
Justsaying | August 28, 2012 11:23 AM

Great suggestion about minimum participation and new members every so often. So many groups lose their effectiveness because it becomes artist posting about their own work but not paying attention to other creators there. Looking forward to the next crisis of culture post!
Jeremy M. Jones | August 28, 2012 12:17 AMReply

To make a stance, it starts with "us" supporting "us". I currently have two of the hottest films on the Chicago underground circuit, but I can't seem to pay any bills from this notoriety. People seem to LOVE my films, but I can't get a single one to invest. I've reached out to millionaires and billionaires (black, white, hispanic, arabic, etc) across the WORLD and most of my correspondences are ignored. The ones that do respond state that they are not interested in financing film projects. I have a well-developed 22-page business plan and my emails are structured to entice, intrigue, and hook the reader. But despite all of this, I am unable to gain any traction with anyone. I'm apart of the Go Big Network, but NONE of the investors respond, let alone respond in-kind...and I've been with them going on 8 months now.

Film festivals reject our films, distributors give us the standard "we're not interested" response, and potential investors hook us with "call me tomorrow" then change their minds about even listening to the pitch.

The ONLY people who have been good to us have been the THEATERS. And not the AMCs or REGALs, but the vintage theaters that hold 1,000+ patrons. They LOVE us...but they don't have money to invest either.

We (minorities) need to get behind independents such as our group that tell compelling and relevant stories. Our (minority) films need to go straight to the theaters and NOT look towards Hollywood for ANY help or handouts. Because what makes Hollywood "Hollywood" is their access to the THEATERS...nothing more, nothing less. And we have proven that our films have merit and marketability despite "the-powers-that-be's" view of our material. And if we do so, on a "massive" national level, we will in turn become our own superpower that can greenlight "our own" films.

HOLLYWOOD IS NOT GOING TO HELP US. We need to help our own selves. Otherwise, we face extinction. I mean, take me, for example. I CURRENTLY have two of the HOTTEST FILMS on the Chicago underground circuit (meaning, demand is high...the bootleg-man can't keep enough stock...my actors and actress are bombarded everyday on the streets because someone recognizes them) and yet ComEd is about to cutoff my lights. What's up with that?
bondgirl | August 28, 2012 12:30 AM

Do you have an email address you'd be willing to share? Do you have a link to some of your work?
BluTopaz | August 27, 2012 9:58 PMReply

Once a vision or direction is established, a suggestion (so everyone is not posting their emails all over the place) is to set up free e-room accounts where anyone who is interested can post projects they are working on, their mission, their locations, and the particular skills needed/offered. I facilitated this type of project management for a global corporation I used to work for that sponsored a film festival contest for associates. Via the e-room, my team gathered 6 people with varied interests, all different departments. We submitted two short films, and were surprisingly contacted by an online media mag because they were impressed with our diversity (we were like a Benetton ad, which helped the company's pr). It doesn't have to be done exactly that way, but I know last summer last minute (as in, the DAY OF THE SHOOT) I was desperately looking for a great videographer/lighting pro for a one day project because of flaky crew people who were not dedicated to anything except my free week Metrocard offer. And of course, it's a gentleman's agreement that if available, you will make it your biz to return the favor for your fellow media makers. As with anything else it's important to not allow egos nor fear of intimidation stymie you.
justsaying | August 27, 2012 10:12 PM

Working backwards.... Suggested solution from @Bluttopaz: set up a free e-room. Challenge: How can we create a platform "where anyone who is interested can post projects they are working on, their mission, their locations, and the particular skills needed/offered."- and essentially come together to make films? Now what if we have different posts that posted these types of different questions essential to building a larger collective of filmmakers/cooperation? We have to ask the right questions to move things forward.
Nadine | August 27, 2012 9:51 PMReply

I don't know what happened in the past on other posts (mobilization, etc...), but why stop trying? Tambay is asking his readers for a solution. Creating communal support systems: taking the eye off of one's individual prize with the goal of aiding another whose "prize", in the long-term, helps and strengthens the larger community, is the beginning of something powerful and culturally inspiring.
Nadine | August 28, 2012 11:37 AM

@JMAC - thanks for the original post - @Blutopaz - LOL re: the shade! You are soooo right! I see what you are going for with the e-room (great idea). What I like even better is that one wouldn't have to wait on programming an intricate board; one could start with protected Vimeo and youtube accounts.
BluTopaz | August 27, 2012 11:11 PM

Nadine I have to look up a good freee-room resource to recommend that allows easy access for a lot of people to check out; anyone is free to recommend also. When I have used this type of platform it was set up by our IT dept. where we could all look at everyone's submission and then choose what you are interested in. Or enter your own stuff. I chose my team because I saw where someone had written a silent short film and wanted to make it look and sound as authentic as a non-budget allowed, without using gawdawful filters. I do effects so they let me join them. Online file sharing + cloud storage are additional options once your crew gets going and has larger files to review remotely . Even just protected Vimeo/youtube accounts lets you screen a treatment and have something to discuss before everone meets and throws shade in person-lol! j/k
JMac | August 27, 2012 10:27 PM

Here's the link to the old post - one of them anyway. http://www.shadowandact.com/?p=3621
justsaying | August 27, 2012 10:08 PM

...a solution to what exactly? How Do We Turn Our 'Rage' w/ Hollywood's Myopia Into Power, Influence, Action...? it's such a general question...not focused enough...
Nadine | August 27, 2012 10:05 PM

Sounds good Bluto - Is there a specific company you would recommend?
Nadine | August 27, 2012 10:04 PM

Sounds good Bluto - Is there a specific company you would recommend?
Nadine | August 27, 2012 9:59 PM

Why not help strengthen an already influential, yet somewhat industry-free, resource, that has the ability to grow exponentially. A site that has the ability to lift others as it grows.
CareyCarey | August 27, 2012 7:10 PMReply

All endeavors worth pursuing, challenges and real change starts with a concise and precise vision. More importantly, that vision is usually born from one individual. It's incumbent upon that person to articulate his goals, purpose and mission in a way which allows everyone to know the exact direction: the goals/purpose/mission is heading. That's a taunting task. In this post Tambay said, "I'm much more interested in how we can galvanize all that anger, and frustration, and turn it into something powerful, that can actually push *us* forward, and get us closer to where we want to be". He went on to say "I'm really just trying to shift how we think about our involvement in all this, and find ways to turn things around, focusing much less on what we don't like, and instead investing our time, energy and resources into what we do like, or what's promising."... "I'm just trying to inspire a different kind of conversation, and mentality, which I think is more purposeful, and gets us closer to that black cinema utopia many of us long for, where we're represented in our varied experiences, across the Diaspora". Okay, I don't see a defined mission nor a defined purpose. I don't mean to be a spoil-sport but again, a good plan, a feasible plan has to start with a concise plan. So I'll leave with the following words of wisdom "Grant me the will to accept the things I cannot change and the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the different". I am suggesting there are some things we will never be able to change. And, If we don't (first)accept that truth, we will forever find ourselves spending way to much time on issues beyond our control. Oh, and it's an ill plan that cannot be changed. In short, as I read the comments, it does not surprise me that the feedback (although interesting and heartfelt) have little in common (are not addressing the same issues).
Nadine | August 28, 2012 1:05 PM

@JUSTSAYING - ;) - I think we're all supporting the idea of putting our heads together in order to create a clear goal and, hopefully, movement that will help scaffold and revitalize what we know is possible within our communities - so right now, we're just committing, to commit! That's the first step. Next step would be, figuring out what are we doing, and how are we going to get there, but at all times, keeping the momentum yet not fearing obstacles, either. Multiple trains of thought, should not be discouraging, but encouraging. Working as a group can always be daunting, but that is to be expected. The thing is everyone knows something that someone else doesn't, so melding these resources of the mind can be illuminating, inspiring and, with the right determination, be (as I keep saying) transformative.
Justsaying | August 28, 2012 11:09 AM

@Nadine, What are we supporting exactly? He has many ideas and there are so many possible routes, but what is HIS heart set on doing next? Who or which organizations has he reached out to? Has he reached out to or can work with someone dedicated solely to fundraising, marketing, and outreach? I understand your passion, lol but not everyone feels the way you do... The only thing we can come together and discuss without going in a million directions is a specific idea or plan that is feasible and appropriate for the audience that he serves and that follows the blog. And that idea should come directly from him.
Nadine | August 28, 2012 10:47 AM

Lastly, - I'm not talkin', I'm just walkin' - I'm done with the speeches ;). Something is going to get done, whether it will be at the hands of only 2 people or 200. Remember, if you're down, let Tambay know by posting your username on this board (he will then have access to your e-mail address where you can get on the "list" of those who are able to support in a myriad of ways - not just financially) I personally believe that finding the resources to, at least, RENT equipment (I mean really) one day a month to film ONE weekend a month would make an enormous difference and would quickly usher in advertisers (increasing resources as S&A continues to build - less grunt work, more freedom as one grows - big ROI) while delegating more to those who are willing to volunteer their time. The way Shadow and Act posts go roaring through the Internet, do those who doubt this process really think that "companies" would not want to attach a pre-, mid or post-roll (15 second commercial) onto an interesting Shadow and Act video (with the feel of a Spoilers on Hulu) making it's rounds through the Internet? BTW - one day of filming would equal multiple segments, therefore multiple videos and opportunities for multiple advertisers without changing the format of S&A in its current state. S&A already posts videos. The method will simply add original content to supplement written text or as a standalone post. That's all I'm sayin'... innovation vs. imitation.
Nadine | August 28, 2012 10:14 AM

PART 1: Okay, so this has less to do with putting a burden on Tambay and more to do with strategic planning and the lessening his burden. If we could name another resource that, if taken to the next level, could grow exponentially whilst lifting others; another resource whose goal is to support the African Diaspora, pretty selflessly and without strings attached, I would say, support that. What I'm also taking into account is a conversation on another page of S&A, where Tambay mentions, "There are MANY ideas I have, and have had for S&A since creating it 3 1/2 years ago. But to implement them requires a certain amount of time, commitment, resources, etc, which I really don't have much of at the moment........ So all the wonderful ideas I have [which includes creating original video content of all kinds, hosting talent workshops, competitions, black cinema conferences, making the site really an international presence, even going into film production/exhibition - which is already being done with the filmmaker challenge - and many other ideas that really expand the brand], will have to be approached very slowly. It's not something that can be done without a lot of help; and it's a challenge to do anything else, when I'm already buried in the day-to-day running of the site. These things take resources and planning. And I'm open to all your ideas - but not to ideas on what S&A could/should be doing, because, as I said, whatever ideas you have, I've probably already thought of; instead, **I'm open to ideas on HOW to make these thoughts realities, given the circumstances the site exists in.** I've certainly reached out to others [who are in positions that could be beneficial to S&A] for assistance, but, except for 2 or 3 people who've always been very helpful and supportive as much as they are able to be (and they know who they are), as Mr Gerima said, there's a lack of collective/communal action within our community. There's that crabs-in-a-barrel mentality, I'm sorry to say. So one has to find ways to get around that while still remaining sane." - TAMBAY [edited] comment from August 25, 2012 10:04 AM (go to http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/haile-gerima-part-1 for full comment). In helping to free up Tambay's time and helping to provide resources, everyone benefits as, again, this is a site that lifts as it climbs (cont'd below).
Nadine | August 28, 2012 10:14 AM

PART 2: Right now, please take no offense to those who have attended - this is simply clinical, someone mentioned the financial state of the HBCUs on the Debbie Allen page. Most HBCUs are high on pride (rightfully), but low on resources. HBCUs receive endowments yet what you'll often see of SOME is their struggle to pay "this or that", their being short or poorly staffed, administrative cronyism in lieu of finding the best staff and educators, professors who do not believe in their students and a focus on individual wealth (while the one's who have their sh!t together are full of themselves and insular). These schools are given resources, but do not understand how to invest in themselves as they do not invest in their students OVERALL well-being for the school's long-term growth and for the growth and well-being of all those whom their students touch (which used to be their focus). They often claim low resources and hold on to the few dimes they have while these kids with all this potential fall through the cracks or start praying to the god of individual wealth and money. It takes in the investment of your resources, to make more resources. THESE FAILED HBCU POLICIES SIMPLY REFLECT (AS MICROCOSM) THE STATE OF AFRICAN-AMERICAN CULTURE with the "Black Elite" representing the "administrators" (who only respect you if you have the title Dr. in front of your name or a big wallet), the students = "the people" who are now less "community-minded), and the school's stagnant
policies representing current philosophies on "just getting by". When we see "a Tambay", who has done so much with so little, it would be an actual crime to NOT INVEST (volunteer, equipment donations, dollars, not much... hooking him up to others who can help...) in S&A for the greater good. Basic economic and investment principles state one should get the most bang out of their invested resources. We could all invest in separate entities that have not yet established themselves. All separately working to build the reputation and amass the following Tambay has worked to build all these years, but is that really in the best interest of all. Investing in S&A means an investment in a leader (someone who took the initiative and made it happen with next to nothing), someone with integrity, how easy would it have been for Tambay to pimp out this site for monetary wealth and to have people pay to have their films posted, and so on), someone who's growth would help to catapult other smaller entities with similar missions to the forefront to widen our collective resources and avenues of a self-sustaining culture. An investment in this one means an investment in many. That is the kind of process and person, our "community", especially here in the States, should ALWAYS invest in. Robert Johnson, was the person whom the mainstream chose to invest in... and look where we are now. Gangsta Rap did not have to grow as quickly as it did, but after all the years of hip hop, corporations chose to heavily invest in the Gin n' Juice. ESSENCE used to be hot and culturally relevant, until Susan Taylor left and Time Warner took over now instead of trailblazing, they sweat the, what, 5 actors and 3 singers we have in the mainstream (which makes for repetitive covers). Carol's Daughter knew it's market B4 investments from big shots. Now Price has lost her voice and the market who initially
supported her small little store in Brooklyn, for years, is no longer of any consequence - a slap in the face, but.... the proletariat took down the bourgeoisie, didn't they, and "TALKIN'" was not "WORKIN'" with them. We the proletariat, the people, can surpass and topple this failed system, honestly so easily, SIMPLY by standing on each others shoulders - one damn company, idea, thought at time which will inspire others to grow concurrently as we implement our own projects - separately- as well - and I just don't know of another entity that has not been "infiltrated", that one could support, outside of Shadow & Act. It beings and ends with us... who will you support?
artbizzy | August 28, 2012 12:09 AM

I'm just throwing things out there. My main point is to keep developing projects regardless. And we can't wait for a leader and an organized movement before we start moving ourselves. We may not be ready for the movement, yet and that's okay. We can still write screenplays and make films anyway. Work with who is ready. We have to tap into our personal passions if other people's pasions aren't yet awakened. Passion and action is inspiring. Having a defined mission and plan is great but we keep going in circles with this. This was a criticism of the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Great ideals but no real substance so in some ways it lost it's overall impact but the messages of this movement got out worldwide. Was it all in vain? I don't think so. We just have to keep trying things until we get the results we want. Right now in this economy in this time of great uncertainty people are terrified of taking chances artistically especially if they've got to go it alone so it is up to those who have the inclination to make a way out of no way in this business to do so. It won't be perfect or clear at first but continual movement is key and it begins with our personal goals within the larger goal of telling stories through film and getting them seen. The plan is to create the product within one's means. Whether it is to write the screenplay or film the film, edit it, etc. Repeat. In the repetition of this more ideas will come about financing our films, etc. and getting more attention and funding for them as the economy gets better and people get more confident. The movement is being built and clarifed right now. We just need more high quality product to support the movement. And courage. And once again, not to quit our day jobs any time soon.
CareyCarey | August 27, 2012 11:06 PM

First, thanks to everyone who has joined in the discussion. Now, although I generally do not agree with everything JUSTSAYING adds to these discussion, I believe he's on point in his most recent comments, and he understands my position. Case in point, Tambay has NOT clearly defined his goals. Well, at least from the aspect of a joint endeavor, his requests from us are very unclear. Yes Artbizzy, in your own words you admitted that we're all on different pages (which we most definitely are... I've read them all) . Then you went on to say what you "assumed" to be "OUR" mission, implying that everyone had the same goals and purpose in mind. You err when you make those assumptions. Look, as a unified front, there's no way of getting around the fact that a movement ( a vast change of concepts and ideas) has to have a head/leader. That leader has to have a very specific plan, a well define vision that he or she can THEN pass on to those willing to work with them. As I read Tambay's post (3 times) I am yet to understand what he's really asking for, other than another " brainstorming" session. Listen, there's a saying "How do you know when you have arrived?". Well, first and foremost, one has to know exactly where they are going. If not, a begging question surfaces, "what direction will they-he-she- or I go to get THERE?-WHERE?". Lastly, again I believe JUSTSAYING was leaning in the right direction when he said "I would ask @Tambay to identify a VERY specific task/creative challenge that he is collectively interested in addressing". And, I believe Blutopaz is leaning in that same direction because she said, "ONCE a vision or direction is established...". She did not say NOW that a vision and direction has been established. Okay... I'm out... I'm watching Boycott with Jefferey Wright and Terrence Howard.
Laura | August 27, 2012 10:09 PM

I'm in basic agreement with you Artbizzy. A lot people want to see themselves on the "silver screen" but very few want to put in the work necessary to get it done. And it is WORK. Filmmaking is not for the faint hearted, AT ALL. You have work with what you have and where you stand. But that is with anyone doing film Black or White, male or female. ***What is unique in our situation is that, there is not an acceptance amongst filmmakers, audience members, consumers, investors, and what have you, of Black visual storytelling/storytellers (no matter the subject) amongst filmmaking communities, investors, audience members, consumers, . It is something that is not in our collective worldview. So when we do produce something we have to convince potential patrons, audience, consumer, etc. that it is viable. It's not a fluke, exotic, exceptional, unique, its just how we see the world. I believe once that is universally acceptance of Black visual storytelling takes root, then we don't have to worry about the: Snow on the Bluff's, Madea Big Happy Family's, Shame's, Simplification of Her Beauty's, Eve's Bayou's, Red Hook Summer's, Brother to Brother's, Killer of Sheep's, etc. All of those films have their place. We (however you want to define it) don't accept Black visual storytelling. It is not presented, represented, nor manifested in the various Westernized Black cultures, communities and the various Mainstream cultures. That's why we look to "Hollywood" to tell our stories. That is the only institution we know that can validate our stories in a way that impact how we and the world see us. We are starving for our stories to be told but at the same time we don't believe in our own visually story telling capabilities.
justsaying | August 27, 2012 9:29 PM

I agree with you@artbizzy in regard to working with what you got. But what do you think will come from such a general question like this that has been asked in a million ways? Why can't the post discuss actual plans to address creative challenges? Certainly we've been having this discussion in many ways....so what's the purpose of this posts if the writer doesn't bring much to the table in answering it with something new that can move things forward?
justsaying | August 27, 2012 8:15 PM

@CareyCarey, you very right. We will certainly get a lot of ideas as we are....@Jmac... you are right as well, Tambay did define the purpose of this post..."inspiring a different kind of dialogue" but.... what's new? I can copy and paste from previous posts. And if we've has these talks already, why are they being introduced like they are starting from square one? Smoke and mirrors! I would ask @Tambay to identify a VERY specific lack/creative challenge that he is collectively interested in addressing that is **not being addressed by anyone else out there in the film world** and begin to brainstorm ways to overcome that and THEN bring it to us to discuss. If not... we'll just be "brainstorming" until someone else rises to the occasion with a distinct vision/purpose/and plan.
JMac | August 27, 2012 8:00 PM

That's not being a spoil sport considering we've been down this road so many times and as of yet I haven't heard of anything coming from it ... but you never know. Somebody somewhere may be trying but we aren't aware of it. Tambay already defined his purpose. It's up to the commenters to define theirs.
THE DEVIL | August 27, 2012 6:47 PMReply

Or, you can come let's reason together and agree on a pact that'll guarantee your success in Tinseltown. It's really that easy. I won't bite. I promise.
Laura | August 27, 2012 6:33 PMReply

Love what you said Artbizzy. I am primarily a writer. I am also a mother of a teenage daughter. She is a visual artist. What she is doing via tumblr and facebook in sharing her art is something that could not have been conceived 5 years ago. These young kids are doing their own form of visual story telling. We can get our stories out. Most likely it will not be the same model is Hollywood but it can be done.
neftelon | August 27, 2012 6:13 PMReply

where are those Black entrepreneurs with huge bonuses investing their money?
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Charles Judson | August 27, 2012 6:07 PMReply

I'm not even sure if you need to go as far as create a production or distribution company. After being members of several arts groups over the years advise against it at this point. Good intentions do not a good product make. However, a production/distribution company is a goal I think can be obtainable. What's more important is what is happening on a local scale and what does the local film scene in your town look like. What is its health? Are folks meeting on a regular basis, not to network, just to talk. To talk shop, to discuss each other's work, to talk about what is and isn't working locally? A list that folks can add there name to to create some kind of local S&A film collective that can connect with other S&A hubs around the country I think would be invaluable. Leverage your most powerful, free and self-renewing resource first, which would be human capital. Historically arts have been their most impactful when they've moved from the local and personal to the national and the universal. And the needs of filmmakers in Atlanta or not the same as Chicago or L.A. or New York. We need local solutions first and that can only begin with more dialogue and interaction on that level and that occurs outside of film festivals and is community focused. I think Laura and Artbizy's points and examples speak to what is possible. I'm sure that out of Atlanta, Philadelphia, Chicago, anywhere in the world, you bring screenwriters of color together and they start feeding off each other, one of those cities will produce that script anthology you're looking for Artbizzy.
Charles Judson | August 27, 2012 7:46 PM

Somehow I skipped over the parts about the interviews. :-) Honestly, I think that's a separate tack than what Tambay was talking about here though. "But how do we turn that rage into something powerful, influential, something that simply can't be ignored, and that actually does make a difference?" It's essentially a Don't Ask What Your Country Can Do question. I for one think any movement that's trying to do it on a global, national scale is doomed to fail from the outset. You have to establish a base that can built on collectively. As illustrated by the last 50 years of filmmaking, we have individual filmmakers, genres and companies rise up, but nothing lasting that exists on a fundamental level. We've not had a true filmmaking movement rise up. We'd all be hard pressed to name more than a handful of Black filmmakers and actors known for working with each other that are truly dynamic and influential. And that we talk about with even a third of the reverence or the rigorous dissection and discussion given to the French New Wave or the New American Cinema of the 1970s. Going back to Tambay's original posts (I'm STILL working following up with that with my own Crisis of Culture, I've been content to sit back and see what followed up first and see what solutions other folks come up with and see what I can find). Fanboy culture (film, comics, etc.) works because it was local, is local and remains local. What also makes work though, is it's a community first that allows people to participate and interact on multiple levels. You can be a consumer, a commenter, a creator, you can be a creator-leader. You can enjoy a small section of it, you can be fan of all of it, you can go down the rabbit hole to discover more. What makes them truly powerful is their flexibility. I understand the fear about "personalities", but personalities are more of an issue if you're creating organizations that want to achieve a very specific, goal or finite outcome. I'm not even thinking that far, because my visit to film festivals and events constantly reinforces that we need to start MUCH smaller and general and just create places to come together that aren't about passing out business cards or talking about Hollywod's issues. We are creators, we are problem solvers, we are consumers, and out of that I agree we can hit these issues from all angles. But, until we start having an ongoing dialogue and find ways to communicate and build on a local level, I think we're going to find ourselves back at square one. As Justsaying brings up, the more we can have the type of community that allows film fans, cinephiles and those who are just plain curious to engage, the better for us, because we won't do this without them. From that, I think we can start to see more targeted groups, companies and productions come out. Right now we need a deeper, more robust conversation. Attending, monitoring and following up with folks throughout the year, that's not happening with filmmakers of Color across the country as much as it should and in lots of cities it's not happening at all. And this is work that's going to take years and decades. The beauty of community is that it tends to always outlive whatever current problems and issues are at hand. It may change and morph, but it has a permanence that we and anyone can tap into. And out of that, rises the folks who will amaze, astound and create the work that changes, pushes and inspires.
Nadine | August 27, 2012 6:44 PM

@CHARLES... a production company that would enable Tambay to do the interviews and pieces he has always imagined for his site. It would not be about making movies, I believe, but just some very simple journalistic pieces to scaffold what he already does (imagine the Haile Gerima interview on film (with an audience), floating around social media circles - some people are more visual) and filmed events (Q&A's. etc...possible with volunteerism) that could only strengthen the brand, widen S&A's sphere of influence, help strengthen and revitalize (even more than it already has) this industry of the Af. Diaspora and be an inspiration to others. Supplementary S&A "meetups" would be great too. I could imagine that would also help support Tambay's vision. Those meetups, though, often mean you have to deal with more personalities than you'd like and in this industry, Charles, people can sometimes survey a room and latch on to what they think will be "success" instead of creating their own. Mind you, oftentimes, they're wrong and some can find it amusing, but more often, it is distracting and makes "foul" the larger cause at hand, but you're right, it is still so VERY IMPORTANT. Hitting this issue from all angles just might be the best solution.
Justsaying | August 27, 2012 6:30 PM

@Charles Judson, I agree. I think to be sustainable and "break ground" the focus should be on a larger need, that we can address collectively with the resources that we have. There are many production companies, and there are a few entities holding interviews/videos/forums that discuss black cinema including The Blackhouse Foundation, Reel Black Cinema etc. But who is really focusing on the everyday viewers who may be interested in following black cinema, but is not within the "circle" or know where to follow the progression of indie Black Cinema? I think these workshops should be geared toward filmmakers but also include general viewers interested in seeing different stories. " Leverage your most powerful, free and self-renewing resource first, which would be human capital" Pure GOLD. In my previous post I said The key to overcoming challenges is specificity so that we are actually working toward something tangible, reachable, and measurable for support. I think this is a specific challenge we can plan to address collectively! I'm down with this. There is nothing to lose.
artbizzy | August 27, 2012 5:42 PMReply

Filmmaking, independent or otherwise is an expensive craft (at least the way it seems many people want to go about doing it) so I always wonder how people who do not have the resources find ways of telling their stories even when they cannot get the funding to do so cinematic-wise. Or what do filmmakers do in between films. Filmmaking is the medium. One of the most powerful and influential in todayâs modern age because it works on almost all of our the senses at the same time visual, auditory, etc. But what does a dancer do if they for some reason can no longer dance or at least dance right now. How does that dancer tell their story? Do they paint it? Do they choreograph? Do they write books? The Chilean director Alejandro Jodoroswky has also had major trouble getting his films financed. So he went into comics, writing for comic book geniuses such as Moebius who passed away recently this year. My point is if you have a story to tell you find ways of telling that story and getting it out there with the resources you have available to you right now. I was very, very inspired by director Haile Gerimaâs interview posted on this site recently. In my opinion most if not all of our answers are right there in that interview. He possesses the true spirit of the independent filmmaker. After reading the interviews I spent a couple of days just watching and reading everything I could about him on the web. In one video interview he talks about how he is always writing scripts no matter what even if one day they wonât be produced. Heâs got so many ideas. Heâs got to tell his story in some capacity. Heâd of course love for these scripts to be made into films but he canât wait for that day. He canât stall for that moment for someone else to say yes I will give you the money to do this. And if and when that time does come he will be ready because he has held to his vision and honored his impulse to create by continuing to write. One thing Iâve always admired about us, about black people is our ability to be resourceful to work with what we have in the moment to make something out of nothing. We are brilliant at this. Right now we are chasing after a model that doesnât respect or support who we are and as a result we are wasting our time. We are not being flexible enough or creative enough we are letting market forces dictate our right to tell our stories. While they do have an impact on us and can and do make it difficult weâve got to find a way to go around that. Whether that be producing more plays, writing more books, perfecting the craft of writing film script after film script until you can secure distribution to begin turning your scripts into films. This could take years. Hopefully it doesnât, but it might. In the meantime direct some plays based on an adaptation of your screenplay or collaborate with a writer on this. Get the word out. Paint some gorgeous storyboards. Or collaborate with a painter to do so based on your script treatment and synopses. Move the process along and once youâve prepared that script and storyboard and have begun the process of securing financing get moving on the next screenplay, then the next. The process of making a film from screenplay to editing floor before you even get to the filming process is a work of art in and of itself. Where are our film script anthologies full of brilliant screenplays from the African Diaspora for unproduced films? Where are our black and white and colorful storyboard art book collections for films waiting to be produced? Black visual artists need love, too. Where are our film treatments? Our film process and technique journals? If we are going to continue to be perpetually unproduced and we desire to control our images than letâs do it all the way and as creatively and as loudly and as inexpensively as we can until we can secure the funding to do so for our personal and collective projects. In the meantime we would have created more streams of income and other ways of documenting our filmmaking processes along the way which can encourage us and those who come after us to continue to tell our stories visually by any means necessary.
Nadine | August 27, 2012 7:13 PM

That was lovely Artbizzy.
Nadine | August 27, 2012 5:22 PMReply

NADINE: I'm down! ----------- (This is where the other commentators and lovers of S&A join in an exhaltative Call to Action!) --------------- I'll donate financially and I'll work on no-cost logistics in Manhattan and Brooklyn in terms of good "crowd shoot" locations (all while staying anonymous). Someone should open up a gofundme, any volunteers? This can be done!
Nadine | August 27, 2012 5:12 PMReply

Mi tiyad. I just say people put down their screen names... right here and now... a damn list. S&A will have access to their e-mail addresses... we will submit ourselves to supporting, either financially, physically (through time, volunteering, etc...), and other in-kind supports (locations, catering, post-production, etc...), to helping S&A create their own production company (fishpoles not fish!) where they could do the interviews Tambay wants to do and more and the live crowd/Q&A with artist participation Tambay envisioned (and more), which I'm dying for them to do, before some less responsible outlet does it for S&A. A simple yet powerful extension of S&A. I mean a Canon is fine, at first, no one has to start out with a Red. A lot of us have outgrown some of our perfectly fine camera equipment. Rodes and lighting are extremely economical, I mean... let's just support while expecting nothing back but the satisfaction of supporting this man. I'm not going to keep playing myself by saying "Who's down?" Tambay can't do this all on his own. That's all I'm sayin'...
Nadine | August 27, 2012 5:45 PM

@Laura - My "when posting publicly on the Internet email address is 'nadine2connectatyaho' and you know the rest. Whenever you're ready! @Tambay - It's your vision so we will need your direction. Is your S&A audience supporting the creation of an S&A production company (no strings attached, of course)? What is our goal so we can all come up with the solution you feel is best...
Laura | August 27, 2012 5:31 PM

Well I'm down. Tambay (S & A) got my email address. I was able to hook up with another S & A reader via comment section. We wrote a script together. Looking forward to doing more projects with him. So Nadine are willing to spearhead the list, I'll partner with you.
Justsaying | August 27, 2012 4:05 PMReply

Egg shells. Egg shells.... When I see that picture with the hmmmm sign..great discussions always come out of it.... Lately my comments have come under a great deal of scrutiny. I think this post is very well intentioned.... @VC, makes a great point about reporting on as many black indie films as possible. This goes in line with my suggestion to tap into other established audiences/followings. To quote Tambay, "One thing I love about what I do here is discovering new and upcoming projects that look really interesting (to me anyway). I highlight those titles when I find them, hoping that some of you would share in my excitement. There's so little worth reporting on, that the occasional nugget, when found, is a wonderful breath of fresh air!" What Tambay may find interesting may not be interesting at all to others and what some may be interested in may not be to his taste. I find the statement "there's so little worth reporting on" to be very telling and may suggest that this project may not be ready for the actual expansion so many of us envision it to become.... Maybe it will just remain a project that primarily reports on Black Indie Cinema that Tambay finds interesting. Who knows...but you can't get around this suggestion. It's important to S&A's actual growth. Some may say I'm trying to throw shade or attack, but I truly wonder why is it important for something to spark his interest in order to report on it? When will Tambay fully move from being a filter to a true facilitator? This does not suggest that he should ignore his taste, but how is one man's taste for black film a leading factor in a project that supposedly aspires to be on the cinema of the African Diaspora?...NOW to this SLIPPERY TOPIC QUESTION: How Do We Turn Our 'Rage' w/ Hollywood's Myopia Into Power, Influence, Action...?.... I think we need to collectively address things PIECE BY PIECE... Some have regarded my comments as negative or focusing on the small things but this is not so. When you go to get a checkup, let's say at the dentist, your doctor looks over your mouth yes, but if you have a unfilled cavity, what do you think he or she will focus on? So that is my attitude when I approach a lot of these things, because I am more interested in what we can improve and ways that we can improve it. So instead of cavities, which are readily identified in the mouth at a specific location, why don't we break this question down even further and list some of things that we find lacking with more specificity. Or better yet Tambay can reintroduce this list from what he's gathered over the years. Now with that LIST we should decide which things *we* actually want to address. After we decide what we want to address, we need to decide what we can actually do to meet the need that is not being unmet and actually do it. So I think this question about rage is actually futile when you think about it because we're not using rage. We're using intelligence. So let's put our heads together and identify a VERY specific lack/creative challenge that we are collectively interested in addressing that is **not being addressed by anyone else** and begin to brainstorm ways to overcome that challenge. Let's collectively agree, and then do it! And the most important thing is to have a tangible group of people committed to it. So who is a part of this group? Maybe Tambay can have a list of people who agree to this challenge and are committed to putting in the work? Maybe set up an email just for this for easier traffic control. (Not talking about people just writing "yea that's right! Go on!" in the comment section. Is already a list? How can someone join? The key to overcoming challenges is specificity so that we are actually working toward something tangible, reachable, and measurable for support. In short, more focused work and more talk about that. But better facilitation is needed. Since we are all aware of the problems we face in hollywood, why not pick one challenge no one else is addressing and focus on that? So what's the specific challenge we plan to address collectively?
Masha Dowell | August 27, 2012 3:58 PMReply

Good post... I suggest just starting something with a small group of willing people who want to invest. Then from there get bigger... I don't see the site as anger, I see it as informing... I say this because no one else is doing it. No one else cares...

So, I suggest hand selecting a few, come up with a short term project, succeed with that and then grow it from there. I think that's why I like Tyler Perry. He acted first, and then achieved, and then created films.

When we ask people for help, there are SO MANY thoughts, questions, fears, that collective groups have.... but its like just start small... and just involve a few with whatever you do...others can join later.

Just a thought...

Btw, keep up all the great work. I was in a CVS in LA the other day and I looked at every magazine on the stands and I did not see one brown face. I proceeded to open each magazine and I think I saw Mariah's face, and Kerry Washington. I then thought to myself, this is what John H. Johnson was so great. Anyways, I could go on and on...

But I say start small, get a small group, and build on it. The years go faster than we think, and if you start now, ten years later will be here before you know it.
Nadine | August 27, 2012 7:27 PM

I'm just seeing you post. Exactly Masha!
VC | August 27, 2012 2:57 PMReply

you know I've never purchased a Rhianna song but she's still rich, I say this to say, you should report on as many black indie films as possible, if you find them likable or not because others might. I've said it before Hollywood doesn't owe "US" anything, when they greenlight a movie they know which and how many theaters it's going in and how much press it's going to generate, we should create this model on a smaller scale.

"Key Of Brown" coming soon, see the new trailer...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiLqhp0soMM&feature=plcp
JMac | August 27, 2012 2:39 PMReply

If I may resurrect an older S&A "solution" that went to the wayside, I thought the idea of having a fund that people automatically contribute to on a monthly basis was a good idea. Kickstarter and the other crowdsourcing methods are fine but I think more could be accomplished if audience members could donate $5 to $10 a month into a collective fund and then vote on which projects should get funded. There could be different categories so that it's not all short films or films that probably will never be seen outside of a certain location. Those who can't donate money could pledge their time and resources instead - help with advertising, find local sponsors, secure locations, get permits, etc... To make sure this is a completely communal endeavor, those projects/persons who get funded have to provide their time, services, equipment to aid other filmmakers. This doesn't have to be a S&A thing, each area could have their own local fund.
BluTopaz | August 27, 2012 3:01 PM

I like this idea--kinda like a media susu
willie dynamite | August 27, 2012 2:24 PMReply

Great post Tambay, redirecting our anger and frustration is definitely needed. Shadow and Act is definitely headed in the right direction. This site continues to expose its audience to knowledge and projects and that is a great starting point. But to really fight the disgruntled voices you read here in the comments section, Distribution is critical. You already have a great concept that should be built upon, shadow and act films. There is no reason why shadow and act can not become a Miramax or New Line. If you look at the growth of the site in the last 3.5 years it speaks to a highly underserved community. SandA films via the internet could be come a force that not only redirects anger and frustration but more importantly box office revenue.
Nadine | August 27, 2012 2:29 PM

I believe the issue is that Tambay has already had these ideas, but has not had the support, one would expect, to help him grow the site in a more "new media" direction.

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