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If You Missed It... Listen To The Shadow & Act Livecast Season 2, Episode 3

by Tambay A. Obenson
April 21, 2011 2:32 AM
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If you missed tonight's episode, you can listen to the entire hour now, via the player below. Cynthia hosted this episode, and she was joined by Sergio, Monique and Stephanie, and they discussed the following topics:

- The Help. Are we being fair about the film or are we having too many “knee jerk” reactions based on the subject matter and issues with the author?

- Overrated black actors and actresses. We always talk about the “underrated” thespians on this blog but this time we’re going to chat about those who constantly get the gigs despite lacking obvious acting skills. We’re naming NAMES!

- Can black films sell overseas? A topic that probably requires a separate show but we’ll touch on some theories tonight.

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  • Dankwa Brooks | April 28, 2011 3:30 AMReply

    Great points Michael. I forgot to add that I was watching 'NYPD Blue' when Henry Simmons and he did a pretty good job when they gave him storylines. I'm surprised he hasn't done more at least more TV.

  • Michael | April 27, 2011 12:46 PMReply

    Congratulations on the show. It's refreshing to hear a new point of view on Black film via your podcast.

    I enjoyed the topics and have a few thoughts on several of them.

    Tyler vs. Spike: To be clear, I am not a fan of Tyler Perry's movies, but I support his right to get them out there. It seems that he's generally well intended, just creatively limited and artistically heavy handed.

    I have to disagree with Sergio's idea that since Spike paved the way, Tyler should be quiet. Spike unquestionably has influenced many filmmakers and opened many doors, but he rarely has had to deal with the criticism from his peers that he has inflicted on others with regularity for years.

    I think Tyler took a page out of Spike's book to get some additional heat for his film. If that's the case, more power to him. Just as Spike has the right to trash Tyler, Perry has the right to hit back. Hopefully at some point they can break some break bread and get over each other.

    Speaking of Sergio, while he's clearly an articulate and engaging personality, his credibility would be enhanced if he refrained from snarky remarks about Queen Latifah's and Tyler Perry's sexuality or Loretta Devine not being very friendly. None of that supports or ha anything to do with the critical points that he's trying to make and undermines the otherwise thoughtful response that he expresses.

    Regarding overrated actors and actresses, it would be helpful to define overrated as you see it. A number of the performers you mentioned aren't often talked about at all (Henry Simmons?), let alone mentioned often enough to be considered overrated.

    In my mind, overrated refers to actors who are getting a lot of heat and acclaim due to a succession of high profile films, like Sam Worthington (Avatar, Terminator 4, Clash of the Titans) or Zoe Salanda (Avatar, The Losers).

    Angela Bassett, who HAS been a fine actress in the past isn't really on anyone's list of hot actors these days, unfortunately. The same can be said for a number of actors that were mentioned during the discussion.

    One should remember that often times directors are casting because they want to take advantage of that 'thing' that brought the actor originally to prominence, hence Sam Jackson doing the same thing over and over. It's not too dissimilar from Pacino or DeNiro, who were once two of our finest actors. Time goes on, directors want the same thing over and over, or the actors are stuck in a rut and don't have a director strong enough to jar the performer out of his funk.

    We also have to keep in mind, folks need to put food on the table. If money and making a living weren't an issue, there's a good chance that many of the actors you mentioned might make different choices when it comes to choosing a role.

    Finally, the international market conversation. It all comes down to money. These studios do research on domestically successful films. If there's a decent chance that they'll make money releasing a Black oriented film overseas, they'll do it. They want to make as much money as possible in as many ways as possible.

    That's not to say that they shouldn't take a closer look before saying no, but they really aren't trying to leave money on the table. When Tillman mentioned that Men of Honor picked up an additional 32 million dollars internationally, that's fine, but it wasn't a 'black film' because Cuba Gooding jr. was in it. When it went out internationally, the marketing focus was on Robert DeNiro and Cuba Gooding jr. and military films tend to do well overseas.

    In any event, it was a lively discussion and I look forward to hearing the next podcast.

    Best-

    Michael Stradford

  • Dankwa Brooks | April 27, 2011 4:56 AMReply

    FIRST OF ALL THANK YOU TAMARA. If you don't mind I'll copy & paste and add my own comments. I listened to the podcast this morning. Let me also state that I am a discerning filmmaker that has made it my life’s work to understand and appreciate film and actors.

    Tyler Perry/Spike Lee - To me it's nothing, but hype on Mr. Perry's part. As I said before if you want to voice your opinion on a matter DON'T change the subject in a press conference to reference it and sit down with a print journalist. Mr. Lee has wisely, and quite uncharacteristic of him, not publically responded.

    The Help – First of all I HATE “Magic Negro” movies, but I didn’t hate the trailer. The magic negroes seem to be in a historical context and it seems to be a worthwhile story. I also think Viola Davis is a FANTASTIC actor. BTW-If u don’t know what a Magic Negro is http://coolblackmedia.blogspot.com/2008/10/magic-negro.html

    Precious – I thought the film was depressing as hell and the most depressing movie I’ve seen next to ‘Million Dollar Baby’, but an AMAZING film.

    Overrated Black Actresses – “Instead of disagreeing or agreeing can I posit this? Maybe Angela and Loretta are deemed “overrated” by some because all they’ve been given is the same ‘type’ of roles for so long. Strong, long-suffering, proud Black woman. Or strong, long-suffering, proud, but weak Black woman. Paula Patton hasn’t done enough for me to even consider her “ratedness”. Zoe, I wouldn’t rate her either. She’s basically the same character (and at times quite shrill), but she’s likeable and palatable…” I AGREE WITH ALL OF THAT. Let me add I thought Thandie Newton was EXCELLENT in ‘For Colored Girls’. I thought Zoe was very good in ‘Avatar’. I forgot who mentioned it, but what she did as an actor was very nuanced and NOT a cartoon. As for her in ‘Star Trek’, nothing special like her role in ‘Takers’.

    Overrated Black Actors – I think Terrence Howard is an amazing actor given the role. He was one of the best things about ‘The Best Man’ he was PHENOMENAL in ‘Hustle & Flow’ and I’ve seen him give some great performances in ‘Law & Order: LA’. I still think Queen Latifah is the only female actor to emerge from hip hop with any real talent.

    Thandie Newton - shrill???? Again, I thought Thandie Newton was EXCELLENT in ‘For Colored Girls’.
    Sam Jackson – Excellent actor just kind of a “role whore”. Will take pretty much anything for a paycheck and that may hurt his chances to be respected in the field.

    “Great discussion on promotion in European/World markets. Good food for thought there. I guess if enough ‘guaranteed’ money can be made here in the US, why push for furthered distribution beyond our borders?... Great discussion all around. Thanks for letting me comment :)”
    I agree with all of that as well.

    Let me end by saying being a convincing actor is very hard and even those that can do it get some bad roles sometimes, but it’s easier to have “it” and not use it than to not have anything at all. (Sean Combs for example…and I really like Puffy the celebrity.).

  • Monique | April 21, 2011 6:16 AMReply

    Thanks for listening (and sharing your thoughts on last night's show)!

  • Tamara | April 21, 2011 4:21 AMReply

    Tyler Perry/Spike Lee - I'm all talked out too, and I haven't even said anything. Lol.

    The Help - A kneejerk response to this kind of movie is something I'd expect of myself, of other Black folk...just based on the time period and subject matter. The onliest reason I'm not as quick to jerk my knee this time is because I've read the book and know of its greatness (and what it lacks). The info regarding the "real-life" Abilene is completely new to me. Now Stockett being a white woman writing this book, writing/assuming the voices of these Black women, I knew coming into the gig. To be honest I don't care about the lawsuit; that's not important to me. Further rants/raves will be reserved for how the book translates to film. And if this trailer is anything to go by, my rants will outweigh the raves. And to end, this kind of book I wouldn't normally read, but for whatever reason (bookclub) I read it and it was very, very, very good. And now I'll hush. LOL.

    Precious - read the book. Loved the book. Wouldn't read it again, ever. Haven't seen the feature. Don't have the energy and/or 'strungth' to watch it...yet.

    Overrated Black Actresses - Instead of disagreeing or agreeing can I posit this? Maybe Angela and Loretta are deemed "overrated" by some because all they've been given is the same 'type' of roles for so long. Strong, long-suffering, proud Black woman. Or strong, long-suffering, proud, but weak Black woman. Paula Patton hasn't done enough for me to even consider her "ratedness". Zoe, I wouldn't rate her either. She's basically the same character (and at times quite shrill), but she's likeable and palatable...

    Overrated Black Actors - Terrence? YES. Because he's the same in every role... That's the rub, isn't it? Overrated=type and if you play the same type repeatedly then wallah you cannot be judged on your potential because your range is limited ... ah, now Sergio speaks on it (yes, I'm live-blogging my comments while listening) LOL Caller James saying the same thing. James is speaking my language here. No opportunity to stretch your range, you play the same thing in everything and thus are deemed overrated when you are praised. There it is. There's the benediction. And Queen La in "Set It Off" YES. But there she was given range. And "Just Wright" I couldn't get through. It was so boring.

    Ah, Sergio you're reading my mind!!! YESSSS Black British vs. American Black actors... allowed range? given better opportunities? OR ARE JUST BETTER??? Hmmm...

    Thandie Newton - shrill???? Yes! Love her, but yes! Can't judge her performance in "For Colored Girls", but as Dame Vaako in "Chronicles of Riddick" and even as Tom Cruise's interest in "Mission Impossible: II", shrill comes to mind with her, too. The thing with her though is she has range...she does. And she's British which makes me wonder, British Black actors vs. American Black actors... vs. Nollywood Black actors...

    Rashida Jones - I got nothin'. She's just kinda "there" and much like you all I've only seen her in the television shows she's been in. She does a lot; has the opportunity to do a lot... *shrugs*

    Sam Jackson - not overrated, not underrated...just rated and UBIQUITOUS. lol.

    Michael Clarke Duncan - haven't seen "The Green Mile". Did see him in an episode of "Chuck" and he was monotone...and huge. LOL And also that action movie with Ben Affleck? He was 'Kingpin', right? Or was that Ving Rhames...

    Great discussion on promotion in European/World markets. Good food for thought there. I guess if enough 'guaranteed' money can be made here in the US, why push for furthered distribution beyond our borders?... Great discussion all around. Thanks for letting me comment :)

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