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Inside Quotes: Essence Atkins On Tyler Perry's Casting Of Kim Kardashian In 'Temptation': 'Your Experiment Failed'

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by Tambay A. Obenson
April 23, 2013 3:53 PM
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"I found it interesting that Tyler did that with Temptation, hiring Kim Kardashian because she has 16 million Twitter followers, which would seem like a brilliant marketing plan [...] He has one of the biggest Twitter personalities out there in his movies, and he had one of the worst box office weekends [...] It’s not a failure, but it did worse than his movies usually do just based on him [...] I thought that was an interesting finding. Your experiment didn’t work. [...] People want to see good stories. It’s not necessarily that they want to see Kim Kardashian in a movie. They want to see her in a bikini. They want to see her with Kanye [West]. They want to see her on her show talking about her life with her sisters, but that doesn’t mean that they want to see her in a movie [...] The fact that people want to see their lives and the volatility of that…. I don’t think that it translates at all.”

Words from actress Essence Atkins addressing the casting of popular personalities (instead of Actors) in films, hoping that their appearance in those films will increase audience reach and boost ticket sales. 

The interview was done with S2S Magazine, published today, while Atkins was doing press for the home video release of A Haunted House (out on Blu-ray/DVD today), which she co-stars in with Marlon Wayans.

I'd take a guess and say that actors everywhere (especially black actors with training and experience) are probably applauding Atkins' words, even if they're doing so in private; after all, who knows when you just might be auditioning for a Tyler Perry movie.

But this is an ongoing, long-standing debate that's bigger than Tyler Perry casting Kim Kardashian - remember all the hoopla over the casting of rappers/musicians over actors in movies and TV shows? This pretty much falls under the same heading.

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108 Comments

  • CareyCarey | April 26, 2013 7:22 AMReply

    " And at least they display some artistic talent" ~ Wut

    BINGO! Porky Pig bursts through a bass drum head, and says "Th-Th-Th-Th-Th-... That's all, folks." It's a wrap! Common sense and insight has hit the floor. I mean, without question it is about Kim K's race, rappers and this--> "What the real conversation is, and Tambay, Accidental Visitor & Sergio have brought it up many times, is that amongst Black Actors, there's a serious dearth of quality male leads"

    Starting from the top, every since we broke into the acting business, many of our championed entertainers/actors were SINGERS with a broad range of artistic talent. And surely no one among us can deny the fact that some black folks are just as racist as the overalls wearing Bubba's of the world? So this IS about race, rappers and... can I say it - snobs.

    Come on now, not only do we all know there are black racists among us, there's also a segment in our community who loathes any and everything related to rap music, including its performers. So this is not "just" about Tyler Perry and Kim K. It's more about a one-eyed, narrow vision, three headed monster who runs around growling at anything who acts and looks different than him.

  • CC | April 26, 2013 7:28 AM

    Addendum: "People always complain about rappers. At least they display some artistic talent" ~ Wise man

  • blackd | April 26, 2013 1:41 AMReply

    Now you want to complain? Is it because Kim is not black that it's a problem because no one complains when all these garbage rappers take acting jobs from real actors. Too little too late. Let Kim K live.

  • Wut | April 26, 2013 2:34 AM

    People always complain about rappers. And at least they display some artistic talent. Don't make it a race thing. Folks would've been mad if it was Supahead, too.

  • EBV | April 25, 2013 2:35 PMReply

    GOD! AGREE WITH YOU 100% ESSENCE ATKINS, THOSE WERE ALMOST MY EXACT WORDS. AND LET HIM KNOW TOO ON HIS FACEBOOK. I STILL LOVE ME SOME TYLER PERRY, BUT THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE HE COULD HAVE CHOSEN IN HIS MOVIE.

  • Bruh | April 25, 2013 2:14 PMReply

    For so many to claim they don't care for Tyler Perry, why do they continue to go see his films? Just so they can be derisive and dismissive? There were others movies showing, if you dislike Tyler's work sooooo much, STOP GOING TO HIS MOVIES!!! You dissenters have more to say and comment, than those who enjoy what he does. Your negative retorts have failed to bring Tyler down, so far, so its unlikely they ever will. He is somewhere living his life, and presumably enjoying it. You are here expending energy dissing him. Sort of telling, I'd say. Get YOUR life.....let Tyler have his. There is no law or mandate that states you must spend money on a Tyler Perry project.

  • Actor In LA | April 25, 2013 6:01 PM

    Bruh, you're right. That's why I don't go see any of his movies and spend what little precious free time I have by watching shows like Shonda's Rhimes "Scandal". Well-written, with a strong, black female who is still sexy and smart. Lovin...her show.

  • Rocket | April 25, 2013 12:01 PMReply

    There was no experiment here. Film makers have been using rappers in movies for the same purpose for years. The same goes for pop singers. "Entertainers" have been poaching roles from trained actors for years. I am amazed at how so many actors are in denial about the business they choose to participate in. If an actor wants to be all about the art they need to stay in the independent lane and avoid Hollywood all together. Some people are making films for art and expression. Others are trying to turn a buck. People need to recognize the difference and proceed accordingly. And as long as Tyler Perry continues to get nearly 100 comments on blogs like this while other posts get zero he will keep winning. Perry's detractors keep his name out there more than his supporters.

  • Actor In L.A. | April 25, 2013 6:05 PM

    You can blog about him. However, he's not winning if people stop seeing the movies in which he hires "stunt" personalities instead of trained actors.

  • Mark and Darla | April 24, 2013 10:59 PMReply

    I am the least person in the world to give Kim any compliments, however her acting was good. Her body language, facial and eyes express the correct emotions to match what was taking place in the scene. Critics agenda was to limit attendants for this movie through brute force of nasty review of Kim and the movies itself, it worked.

    As for Essence her reasoning is off, Kim fans didn't want to invest the time or money in a movie where Kim wasn't lead actress. I would like to see if Essence reasoning holds up if a movie is made with Kim as the lead actress along with her sister.

    I am one of filmmaker worst nightmare when it comes to luring me with a movie trailer, very few trailers intrigue me to set feet in a theater. Temptation was the first Tyler Perry movie I saw in a theater, simply because the trailer fascinated me do to Jurnee and Robbie acting and subject. My instinct was right the movie was entertaining for start to finish. The dialogue between the characters was engaging especially Judith and Harley. Let's just say movie like Temptation, Lolita, Graduate and Who is Afraid of Virginia Wolf is my type of movie

    Giving a shout out if you haven't seen Temptation, you are missing a treat.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 11:56 PM

    @MARK AND DARLA... You can't be serious. There is nothing subjective about acting. It's either good or not, believable or not. I would like to think we all have been living long enough and been vigilant enough to recognize the difference. Correct emotions? What emotions? And what are critics getting out of limiting attendants for this movie? What's in it for them? MOTIVE people, MOTIVE!

    "As for Essence her reasoning is off, Kim fans didn't want to invest the time or money in a movie where Kim wasn't lead actress. I would like to see if Essence reasoning holds up if a movie is made with Kim as the lead actress along with her sister." --

    What?

    Your last paragraph was so badly written, it doesn't deserve a rebuttal from me. But I would say, I HATE when people who are obviously not cultivated in any way when it comes to MOVIES throw in a few film greats, like The Graduate, to somehow endorse their glowing reviews for a film that was universally panned by every able minded, cultivated, deeply passionate film critic/blogger/connoisseur out there. So what if Who is Afraid of Virginia Wolf is your type of movie? That doesn't make Temptation good because you say so, nor does it mean the film is bad because I say so. I wanted to respect your opinion but throwing in the masterpieces as your choice of films just to support your claim that said film is good just screams pretentious.

  • VannDigital.com | April 24, 2013 4:14 PMReply

    a wash-up giving criticism to another wash-up??? thats funny to me

  • VannDigital.com | April 25, 2013 12:03 PM

    my bad for the double post. this shit posting comments slow today

  • VannDigital.com | April 25, 2013 11:53 AM

    @Marshall Atkins been washed up...she aint been relevant in a minute. and Perry been washed up as well but he just dont know it yet.

  • VannDigital.com | April 25, 2013 11:49 AM

    @Marshall Atkins been washed up. she aint relevant no more. and Perry washed up too. he just dont know it yet.

  • NO BRAINER | April 25, 2013 12:13 AM

    SMDH @ VANNDIGITAL.COM

  • Marshall | April 24, 2013 10:39 PM

    How is Atkins or Perry a wash-up? Atkins has been steadily employed for years.

  • Floyd Webb | April 24, 2013 3:39 PMReply

    Interesting this got 84 comments so far including mine. TP is not the problem.

    The problem is those of us who fail to produce alternative compelling works, including ME!!

  • Actor In L.A. | April 25, 2013 6:22 PM

    Some people have compelling, alternative content that would be good on tv. However, studios and execs, many times, don't want to take a chance on those projects if a "known" African-american writer, producer, director, singer, rapper, reality personality, etc.....is not attached. Execs are in fear of losing their jobs if the projects don't pan out. This is why more African-americans need to get in writing diversity programs like the ones at FOX or ABC/Disney (I believe Shonda Rhimes was in the ABC/Disney program when it existed). Also, African-americans need to become writing assistants so they can get different points of views out. In addition, more African-americans in the business, who've made it (particularly those an exec level at studios), need to reach back and help others if possible. (I will say, Tyler Perry does hire a higher proportionate amount of Black actors than others.)

  • CareyCarey | April 25, 2013 8:07 AM

    "The problem is that there is an insatiable appetite for bad entertainment"

    That's a misnomer. If a person is being entertained, I doubt they'd define that which is entertaining them as - "BAD". Consequently, the audience does not harbor the "fault"... when in essence there is none.

    This is also NOT TRUE--> " There is nothing subjective about acting. It's either good or not, believable or not. I would like to think we all have been living long enough and been vigilant enough to recognize the difference"

    To that point, I can't count the times I've heard people praise a performance, when in my opinion it was nothing to shout about. In reference to Kim Kardashian's performance, I have to agree with Mark & Darla, in many ways Kim K actually did justice to her part. I mean, I SAW THE MOVIE.

    To that point: Subjectivity is a term used to refer to the condition of being a subject and the subject's perspective, experiences, feelings, beliefs, and desires. So my man No Brainer, you might want to slow down just-a-wee-bit. That reminds me, you've been running slightly off-course in this entire thread. I mean, can you find anything wrong with this--> "Why do people have to have "a hope to" accomplish something for just doing something children do instinctively or naturally, which is speaking their minds?"

  • Miles Ellison | April 24, 2013 10:58 PM

    The problem is that there is an insatiable appetite for bad entertainment. That's not Tyler Perry's fault. That's the audience's fault. All the compelling alternative works and quality content in the world doesn't matter if the audience prefers garbage.

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 3:53 PM

    There are lots of problems. TP is one. The failure of those with power to create quality content is another. The dearth of fresh voices another. Hollywood's fear to support/take on something new, different, or too ethnic another.

  • Banta | April 24, 2013 3:43 PM

    Bravely and well put. I am in agreement. Myself included.

  • S. Mitchell | April 24, 2013 11:32 AMReply

    TP isn't doing anything that most of Hollywood themselves are doing and that is casting a a person famous for their notoriety more so than talent. Previously and in some cases still, it was famous- at -the moment Athletes who got film roles because they are in the public eye now and producers are trying to catch a ride on their momentary wave of fame. Or Rappers that had a 'hit' record. So many people (I refuse to call them Stars) from reality shows without an ounce of film experience or training are getting film and television roles because of their outlandish personalities or fan bases, not skill. And that just means dollars, not quality to some producers.

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 12:19 PM

    The only movie people casting no-talent reality stars are the folks behind the shitty "movie" movies. Tyler's a hack too so he fits right in with that crew.

  • LeonRaymond | April 24, 2013 10:54 AMReply

    @NO BRAINER -You understand film very well and can understand the landscape of it and your intelligent so I know you will appreciate this link even if it's something you already know

    http://blogs.indiewire.com/anthony/the-invisible-filmmakers

    "Black" Films Face Obstacles Abroad; Are Foreign Film Markets Still Racist?

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 5:10 PM

    @LEONRAYMOND... I am all too familiar with this story. But that's about something else. It has nothing to do with the FACT that Tyler Perry's nightmarishly awful Temptation isn't going overseas. Even if it was an all white film with the same writing, directing, level of performances, the film won't go far, not with those numbers, unless TOM CRUISE or BRAD PITT were the leads. Russia, China and most of Eastern Europe don't want to see black face on screen (Germany and Russia specifically). In person, they love us and a grander idea of the possibilities and unfamiliarity our black skins can contribute to the world (President Obama). Even our music does well overseas. But when it comes to movies and TV, somewhere in the past, we have given them permission to pass on black films. Maybe they were disappointed way too many times by the ones that did make it over seas with stories only we can relate to, films that were NOT very good or damn right bad. Also, most of our films are also guilty of demonizing white people all too regularly. I have way too many American and European white friends who complain about this. Sure, it may be our truth, in a less exaggerated way, but for the Caucasians or Anglo Saxons who are not on the other end of that pistol, it can come off as quite offensive.

    And in fairness, their films don't do well here either, unless their Oscar worthy. Most of their best films don't even make it to North American theaters, usually because they don't make money here. So, obviously the world has a lot of things to do as a whole before we get to a place where we can appreciate each other. At one time, they were curious about all things American, including African-Americans. Now, thanks to the media, internet and social network, they have adapted our idea of not caring about anything outside of their own borders. They think they have seen enough and to them, they're not impressed or remotely interested anymore. But you can count on black Oscarworthy films making it overseas, for the same reason that European/Asian Oscar worthy films make it over here.

    On the same note, the studios, which include Tyler Perry, should take advantage of countries with large populations of people from the African diaspora, like Brazil, Latin America, the West Indies, and Africa.

  • Nadia | April 24, 2013 9:36 AMReply

    Testing. This comment module is frustrating Indiewire. I've been trying to post a comment and it keeps giving me the message about spam when it's a basic comment. Damn!

  • CareyCarey | April 24, 2013 8:56 AMReply

    The scene: A funeral parlor. There's a group of creepy crawlers gathered around the casket of a departed black man. His casket is surrounded by several beautiful bouquets of flowers. One of the visitors has a flat head with a pair of antennae, 3 pairs of legs and a genital opening at the end of his abdomen. He speaks first...

    "Well, how'd he go"

    A cockroach replies: "Essence Atkins said it was Kim Kardashian"

    "But look at all the flowers"

    "They say he had a lot of friends"

    Narrator: Raid earth blends, it has a not so friendly insecticide that uses a blend of earth and science ingredients with the killing power of the Chrysanthemum flower.

    Booger Nose Lampyridae: "Who sent the Chrysanthemums?"

    They read the card: "UUUGGGHHH... RAID!!!"

    Raid earth blends, uses the power of earth and science to kill bugs dead.

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 3:56 PM

    More sucking at life from a dusty old coon. Put that man out of his misery.

  • CC | April 24, 2013 3:15 PM

    "Look at me, I'm a nobody" ~ Chick-A-Saw

    No shade there, most honest comment of the month. Throw that man a teddy bear :- ()

  • Carl | April 24, 2013 12:52 PM

    Chicksaw...He is also an uncle tom piece of shit who is psychotic.

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 12:24 PM

    I know it's customary to just ignore your insanity, but you suck at throwing shade, making sense, and life. You really think you're some elder statesman if this site but you're just an old fucking moron.

  • CC | April 24, 2013 9:22 AM

    Tyler rises from the casket, steps on the withering larvae, laughs and keeps on stepin'

  • JMS | April 24, 2013 12:14 AMReply

    Just checked boxofficemojo.com ... Temptation's has made 49 million in 3 weeks. That's a success my friends. It has performed better than Good Deeds, Alex Cross and For Colored Girls.

    Leave Tyler alone and make your own films!! o_O

  • truth | April 24, 2013 12:21 AM

    She never said it was a failure (can you read) only that Kim sucked and she is RIGHT. Stop bragging about being one of those idiots who Tyler pimped. Idiot.

  • JMS | April 23, 2013 11:57 PMReply

    I am in no ways a Kim K fan. I think she did well in the role.

    Essence is a hater.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:43 AM

    Yeah, right. Essence is a hater. That's like saying Mark Sanchez from the NY Jets is a hater because he criticizes the quarterbacking of Malik El Debarge Wright in BET's "The Game."

  • truth | April 24, 2013 12:04 AM

    Oh bullshit! The reviews are in and its agreed by the majority that her performance was shit. TP Kiss ass.

  • david | April 23, 2013 11:55 PMReply

    Actually he did NOT have one of the worst box office weekends. If not for 2 very large budgeted movies, he would have been number 1.

    And to date the movie (however you may feel about it) has made 49 MILLION bucks, and if he made this movie for 5 million TOO, then he actually won...i thought Kim K's part was ridiculous too but I was just speaking to the point that the experiment "failed", because it actually didn't. #profit

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:36 AM

    But he didn't make it for 5 million. Judging from the look of the movie, I'd say it was nothing less than 15 million and that's a tight 15. So, what's your point?

  • Phil | April 23, 2013 11:23 PMReply

    Kim's acting is irrelevant. Temptation was an awful movie. I'm talking Halle Berry BAPS awful. I saw T. Perry's last movie, the Alex Cross flick, and I was starting to give him props. A Cross was a pretty good movie and there is no one else in Hollywood who would offer Cicely Tyson a role in a mainstream film. For that reason, I decided to support TP and now this...so depressing.

  • Cynthia | April 24, 2013 1:03 AM

    JMS... The only movie Tyler Perry has made that really had me wanting to see again because overall it was wonderful, was "The Family That Preys." You may think Temptation was a great movie, but the majority doesn't. And if you were to be truthfully unbiased, you would probably agree with the majority. Essence isn't a hater, she's being realistic. People care about Kim Kardashian when gossip, rumors, and her body is involved, not when she's acting in a movie. Tyler used her as a way to attract people, but it didn't work, as Essence said.

    Get your mind out of the, "I dunn curr what anyone says, he's the shit!" and really try and see these movies and Hollywood tactics in the eyes of someone not bogged down to them. You'd be amazed.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:33 AM

    It's worst than BAPS.

  • JMS | April 24, 2013 12:00 AM

    Temptations was a GREAT movie. No it didn't have a fairytale ending. We've had enough fairytales. Time for the truth.

    Go Tyler. Keep 'em coming without Madea (not fond of those films, LOL).

  • Winston | April 23, 2013 10:39 PMReply

    Wow . . . didn't know Essence Atkins had so many fans and supporters out there. Too bad they don't watch her shows and show up for her mov . . . oops-- I almost wrote "movies"; what movies?

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 2:04 PM

    You also said "no time for the back and forth." More like "no brains for the back and forth."

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 2:03 PM

    You also said "no time for the back and forth." More like "no brains for the back and forth."

  • Winston | April 24, 2013 1:58 PM

    I saaaaaiiiiidddddd, "Ja Mama!"

    Winston, out.

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 1:33 PM

    Winston, you've clearly got plenty of time for the back & forth since you searched the post looking for replies to your idiocy. Sad that your response was as lazy, derivative, and idiotic as the man whose dont you so lovingly fellate. Go 'head and be a foot soldier for TPeezy, but I don't think he needs your protection from Essence. Maybe try to find him some talent or a ghostwriter instead.

  • Winston | April 24, 2013 12:53 PM

    @CHICKASAW-- I ain't got time for no back and forth with your hoe ass. But let me just channel my inner-Wilmer Valderama and say, "ja mama!"

  • Chickasaw | April 24, 2013 12:34 PM

    Ain't nobody tired of the truth, bitch. Thought you said you didn't like him either. You just so, so mad at Essence Atkins! Bet if it was Halle or Sandra Bullock, you'd still have shit to cry about. Someone's station in life doesn't prevent them from speaking truth and logic. Look at me, I'm a nobody but I just read you for filth. You gotta problem with her speaking out. Is it because she's a woman? Or are you one of those stupid "don't air out our dirty laundry, hold his hand, & only offer constructive criticism" negroes?

  • Winston | April 24, 2013 8:25 AM

    You negroes are really acting up in this comments section, huh? Aren't you tired of hearing how much people don't like Tyler Perry? Maybe not. Maybe you get off on that shit.

    But if anybody is gonna talk shit about Tyler Perry, it shouldn't be a Z-lister. Essence Atkins has been in the business longer than him, but what does she have to show for it? 'Smart Guy', 'Half & Half', and 'Nikita Blues'-- none of which she created, produced, or wrote; all of which sucked.

    So for all of you defending her impressive body of work vs. Tyler Perry's, please GTFOH with that.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:32 AM

    @WINSTON
    Did you meet Essense Atkins some where and she denied you an autograph or turned her nose up at you? I'm just curious.

  • JMS | April 24, 2013 12:02 AM

    Scary 5 is trash. Temptations had a GREAT story.

    #TeamTyler films ... not in the Madea costume, LOL

  • Anti-believer | April 23, 2013 11:12 PM

    She's been a plenty of films, hater.

  • Pathetic | April 23, 2013 11:08 PM

    Careful, Winnie. You starting to sound like the thing you hate most, a bitter hater! LOOOOL.

  • Carl | April 23, 2013 10:42 PM

    Should could be in zero movies, she is still RIGHT. Plus the pic you see is from a premiere from a movie she was in. One that was profitable. TRUTH HURTS.

  • ALM | April 23, 2013 10:30 PMReply

    The members of the public swear over and over that they want honest statements from celebs instead of canned, rehearsed statements. Then when someone makes a real statement, the public doesn't welcome the honesty.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:29 AM

    Amen, ALM.

  • MichelleToo | April 23, 2013 9:55 PMReply

    I think Essence is very brave and very gracious. As a Black actor in Hollywood, should she just sit there and with a straight face just give some pointless interview about "Gee the Wayans are so funny and I am just grateful to have a part" or should she speak with grace and intelligence about a serious issue in casting, especially casting in "Black" movies? He comment wasn't hateful. It was nothing of the sort. And I think it is important for Black actors to use their opportunities to speak out about these kinds of issues.

    Having Kim Kar in his movie didn't benefit Tyler Perry in the way he thought it would. Period. Experiment failed. Hire an actor next time. Or not. But I am glad someone pointed it out.

    Bravo Essence Atkins.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:28 AM

    Bravo!

  • Leon Raymond | April 23, 2013 8:24 PMReply

    @NO BRAINER
    Damn, whew, you saved me from hurling in the toilet. Your comments (Both) Were right on the Money -point perfect!

  • Miles Ellison | April 23, 2013 8:16 PMReply

    Since when does it matter if anyone in a Tyler Perry film can act? It's probably better for him to cast people who can't act than it is to cast good actors and pull atrocious performances out of them.

  • Jean | April 23, 2013 9:37 PM

    This is the greatest thing I've read all day.

  • Curtis | April 23, 2013 7:39 PMReply

    This little girl needs to get her facts right. Temptation has made 50 million so far at the Boxoffice. That's 10 million more then what movie made.

  • Deneice | April 23, 2013 7:06 PMReply

    I will admit it. I have watched a few Tyler Perry movies: The Family That Preys, I Can Do Bad All By Myself, and For Colored Girls. Though Tyler Perry is very successful, he is really not that great of a filmmaker: his scripts are simplistic and poorly written, he relies too heavily on melodrama to tell his stories, he has no clue how to frame far away shots, and his production value is low. His casting of Kim Kardashian was an EPIC FAIL simply because she really really cannot act. Plain and simple. More than likely the failure of the movie at the box office was probably due to marketing as well as a weak storyline, which could be discerned from the trailer. As far as Kim Kardashian goes, time will see her go into that good night and fade away even with being the mother of Kanye West's baby. She is a useless, self-absorbed, mean spirited woman.

  • moodytuesday | April 23, 2013 6:39 PMReply

    Temptation made 49 million so far. A Haunted House made 40. So even if the experiment failed, dollars to dollars, Temptation is a winner. After all, at the end of the day it's called show business. Disagreeing with his choice is fine but calling it a failure when Temptation opened better and made more money sounds like sour grapes.

    I'm not a fan of Tyler Perry movies but I can concede that he has cornered the market on his genre. They don't appeal to me but they obviously have an audience. He consistently opens movies in the 20+ Million range. If a man will don a dress to put butts in seats, I'm thinking he's not above stunt casting or casting by popularity so the Kim K thing didn't sting.

    I am in the business and I learned long ago that commercial success is about money. Indie and arthouse films are about creativity and they tend not to make money.

    People just want to work on something they're proud of and that only has to make sense on an individual level. So maybe Tyler Perry is happy having his voice consistently heard and he does the best he can. I see her point but he's just one man.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:13 AM

    @ PHIL

    You're preaching to the choir. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge but I know how it works with black films and how most, almost all, don't make it over seas and for various reasons. It rarely has anything to do with being a black film per se. But I agree with you for the most part and yes, TP needs to turn to better writer/directors. Don't expect to, at least not until he leaves a string of flops in his wake.

  • Phil | April 23, 2013 11:17 PM

    No Brainer, take a look at box offic mojo. None of Tyler Perry's movies make money internationally. Actually, the only African American movies that make money internationally are the mainstream,superstar movies (anything with Will Smith, the older Eddie Murphy movies). I would say Essence is incorrect in that Temptation did well at the box office, especially if you compare it to the last Tyler Perry starred in (the action flick). But Kim K added nothing to the movie and, more importantly, due to the awful plot it turned into one the worst moviegoing experiences in recent memory. Mr. Perry, please turn over the script writing to someone else. For history's sake...

  • NO BRAINER | April 23, 2013 7:59 PM

    This quote doesn't indicate she is calling HER FILM a success. Why people do that, shift attention to the critic without debating the critic's criticism in a non-personal way? I hate that shit. Her comment wasn't about her film, it's about Tyler Perry's film, and not only is it his worst reviewed film ever, it didn't do as well as they had hoped, which means NO FOREIGN DISTRIBUTION for Temptation. So, technically, it's a fail in those regards. But even if the film made more money, it was a horrific piece of cinema.

  • Don't Comment | April 23, 2013 6:38 PMReply

    @Get whatever your screen name is
    You say you don't think I'm in the industry and just 'read' a few blogs, and yet I lambasted everything you said with FACT, for which you couldn't respond nor refute. You're an ignoramus at the highest level. So unless you work at TP aka toilet paper studios, please have several seats. I've forgotten more about this business I'M IN, then you will ever know. There aren't enough blogs in the world for you to even catch up to that. So unless you know what you're talking about, which you DO NOT, just read the article and shut up.

    The film has not, will not and never will go INTERNATIONAL. So drop your mute point. He didn't get anymore nor any less publicity b/c only blacks give her and her family any real attention. So if being on bossip, mediatakeout, theybf, sandrarose and some random E online articles makes you consider that 'tyler getting publicity from places he hasn't before' you're not only dumb but semi-retarded.

  • Carlton | April 24, 2013 2:35 PM

    Only Blacks give her and her family any attention? - youre the real idiot.

  • getthesenets | April 23, 2013 10:12 PM

    Yes, you have forgotten more about business than I will ever know,I'll drop my "mute" point.

  • FactChecker | April 23, 2013 6:29 PMReply

    To clarify, I meant regardless of the acting talent that was cast:
    >Three great examples of no-name, or not very well known TV shows/movies that audiences embraced regardless of billing: "Grey's Anatomy," "Private Practice," "Scandal" and "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."

  • Delilah | April 23, 2013 8:03 PM

    Kerry Washington is not a no name actress. She was well known due to her performances in Ray and Last King of Scotland.

  • FactChecker | April 23, 2013 6:27 PMReply

    Essence makes a great point. The biggest problem with Kim K. and other rappers, singers who try to move into acting is that they don't bring a better performance -- or necessarily more $$$ or people to seats -- than an unknown, trained actor would. Which is what TP found out.

    He expected KK's appearance, and notoriety, to equal a bigger box office, and it didn't pay off.
    And as Essence said, just because people are voyeurs in KK's absurd, Whore-ridden, lifestyle, doesn't mean they want to pay to see her pretend she's an actress. It's an apples and oranges situation.

    One could say the same about Common in "Hell On Wheels," or "Just Wright." Or Jennifer Hudson on "Smash." ... In addition to good storytelling, audiences want good actors -- regardless of name recognition. And in the last few decades Hollywood has forgotten that.
    And now, with the Internet, everyone can be a critic and the word spreads more quickly about people ability to perform or not. Which also affects the bottomline.

    Three great examples of no-name, or not very well known TV shows/movies that audiences embraced regardless of billing: "Grey's Anatomy," "Private Practice," "Scandal" and "My Big Fat Greek Wedding."

  • COMMENT POLICE | April 24, 2013 3:58 AM

    EVERYONE TOO STUPID TO UNDERSTAND HER POINT, READ THE FIRST SENTENCE OF THE SECOND PARAGRAPH IN THE ABOVE COMMENT. IT AIN'T ABOUT QUALITY OF HER STUFF VS TP'S & IT AIN'T THAT TEMPTATION DIDN'T MAKE $$$. IT'S THAT CASTING KIM K DID NOTHING FOR TP'S BOX OFFICE. NO PAYOFF = FAILURE.

  • Winston | April 23, 2013 5:52 PMReply

    Whether or not she has a point, why does she feel the need to say this publicly? What does she hope to accomplish? Tyler makes the kind of movies he wants to make. Why does she care what he makes? I don't like many of his works, but I wouldn't diss him for it. Same thing with a filmmaker like Woody Allen; don't like his work, but also don't care enough to hate on him.

  • NO BRAINER | April 23, 2013 7:44 PM

    Why do people have to have "a hope to" accomplish something for just doing something children do instinctively or naturally, which is speaking their minds? It's a human thing to do. She felt like saying it and said it. Why there have to be some conspiracy or dark ulterior motive? Let her speak her mind DAMNIT.

  • Akimbo | April 23, 2013 6:31 PM

    I used to work with your classmate's half-sister. She was fired for conducting pornographic business on company computers. Glad to hear she finally got her own internet connection, though. Stay up, Colin!

  • colinnehemiah | April 23, 2013 6:14 PM

    my classmate's half-sister makes 66 an hour on the internet. She has been fired for five months but last month her check was 16213 just working on the internet for a few hours. Read more on this site,,,,,,,,,,, Fo25.com

  • Akimbo | April 23, 2013 6:07 PM

    Maybe to encourage the casting of actors/artists over no-talent media personalities? Why do people insist on labeling criticism they don't like as "hate?" Should I question why you feel the need to publicly comment on her comments? I mean, "why do you care what she thinks?" What are you trying to accomplish? I disagree with a lot of actors' statements, but I don't care enough to hate on them for it.

  • Lawrence | April 23, 2013 5:22 PMReply

    I agree with you 100% "DON'T COMMENT IF YOU DON'T KNOW THE INDUSTRY" Most popular reality stars are only famous because of ludicrous shit they have done or did with black people. and that is not a good look for people of colour.

  • Justin W | April 23, 2013 5:01 PMReply

    She has a point.

  • Don't Comment if you don't know the Industry | April 23, 2013 4:56 PMReply

    Getthesenets: Um..please don't speak on what you don't know. He didn't hire kim for his 'international' box office numbers. You know why? BECAUSE THIS FOOL'S MOVIES DO NOT GO OVERSEAS! At all. You travel to Jamaica, or countries in Africa, anywhere in Europe, Asia, no one knows who you're talking about. Please do your homework before you speak on this business. Tyler put her in the film b/c of BLACK PEOPLES obsession, whether love or love to hate, that they have for kim. Let's be very clear here. If black americans wouldn't give this woman so much damn attention, she wouldn't exist. She has made her money and her family's money off of the backs of blacks and on her back under a black. Period. Tyler putting her in his film is just another slap in the face to his audience, who is usually too old, too ignorant and too damn lazy to actually see the shit they're being shilled. TP doesn't give a damn about artistic credibility. Hence why he keeps giving you the same script, over and over again, with a different bow on it. And comparing Ice Cube to Kim???? I think if Kim had even an iota of talent/personality or desire to be 'good' beyond 'looking good' no one would say much. But even in her 'walk on' role, she was terrible at even being herself.
    Yes other tv shows have celebrity types do walk on roles (i.e. Lala's non acting ass guest starring recently) BUT the reality is, those shows have about 25 people who make that decision, the casting director being the LEAST important of the group. Whereas, TP's films are completely top to bottom done by HIM and him alone. No studio (b/c he produces through his own studio), no producers (he is the sole producer) no writer (he's the writer), no director (he's the director) have any say in who's in his films/shows but him.
    Tyler's a joke. His films are a joke. And Essence is just saying what most are afraid to say.

  • getthesenets | April 24, 2013 12:26 PM

    @No Brainer

    How many domestic and foreign magazine covers would you say that kim has appeared on in the last 12 months?

    And in those cover stories, wouldn't you think that there is at least a mention or a question asked about her appearing in Temptation?

    If you're being objective, you'll see that by giving kim a bit part in his latest film....TP got coverage in places that he otherwise wouldn't have gotten press.Those mags(kim covers) are targeted towards people outside of TP's demographic...so it's disingenous for you to say that the only difference was extra ads during reality shows.

    Like I alluded to when I mentioned William "the fridge"Perry, and those guys....the reason that people would place a pop culture figure in a film,tv show,ad,billboard,etc is that there is so much interest in the person that your project gets a lot of free publicity/promotion when that figure is being covered by the press.

  • NO BRAINER | April 24, 2013 12:21 AM

    @GETTHESENETS

    OK. So, you know your Superbowls. GREAT! That doesn't mean you know what you're talking about when it comes to the motion picture industry. This isn't ESPN, this his Hollywood. You need to do your homework. Like for instance, when you say:

    "I still think that kim's appearance in the film got TP coveage and entry into media outlets and places that he never got into before."

    Not only is that statement false, it's quite absurd also. All he got was a few extra ad-placements during Kim and Kourtney Takes Miami or whatever that show is called. That's IT! Everything else as far as marketing? The same'ole for Tyler Perry.

  • getthesenets | April 23, 2013 11:15 PM

    @No Brainer & @Shavonne


    listen, every few years or so some figure just emerges to become huge popular culture figure. I remember some of them from the sports world.....Fernando Valenzuela, William Fridge Perry, Brian Bozworth, Bo "Bo Knows" Jackson,Dennis Rodman, Shaq.
    they are so popular that whoever you are, from whatever walk of life you are from....you've heard their names and seen their images
    Master P had a run like that over a decade ago. Pops up on tv shows, the news, cameos in films, commercials,etc..
    I heard the name years ago...kim something...sex tape ...kept hearing the name....
    so I'm watching the SUPERBOWL.... the Saints win....and while the team is still celebrating..she and Reggie Bush (saints) are in the booth talking to the broadcast team after the superbowl.....I've never seen ANY player's, coach's, or owner's WIFE or girlfriend in the booth.
    When the Rams won the Superbowl..Kurt Warner's wife was a part of the narrative..sports fans knew her name and face.....and their story...and if they were ever going to have a couple do a booth interview it would have been them...but never happened
    Fact that kim was approved to go on during the immediate post game stuff let me know that she had become one of those pop culture figures.

    I'm old enough to remember when nude pictures would RUIN a woman's entertainment career prospects....so tripped me out that this chick became such a pop culture figure.
    NFL was trying to move away from nipplegate...and here is this chick with sex tape out....on air in booth right after the superbowl . wow.

    I'm imagining that she is more popular now then during that Superbowl, so TP throwing her in a walk on role makes sense. It's not high art

  • NO BRAINER | April 23, 2013 7:37 PM

    @GETTHESENETS

    I don't know if 'Don't Comment if you don't know the Industry' is an industry insider. From my experience, people tend to surprise you. But whoever he/she is, he/she is right about you because you don't know what you're talking about at all. I think I already pointed that out in response to your first comment. But, whatever...

  • Shavonne | April 23, 2013 7:19 PM

    TO GETTHESENETS:

    It is VERY VERY VERY obvious that you are a HUGE supporter of Kim Kardashian's empire and seek to defend her on all points. You can stop using this story as a cover for that. Essence's point was completely valid: Academy Award nominated and winning black actors are having trouble finding good roles and Tyler Perry took the time to actually cast Kim Kardashian instead of learning to actually make good films and cast awesome black actors in them. Stop pretending. Don't Speak's viewpoint was correct about the foreign sales part. His films don't get nominated for ANYTHING EVER. However, one point on Don't Speak's view was off to me: Tyler Perry has made a ton of money off of non-black folks too. He really has.

  • getthesenets | April 23, 2013 5:15 PM

    @Don't Speak

    I don't think you are any kind of film or media insider. I think you just read some blogs here and there. The same blogosphere that you (correctly) stated that made kim k famous inititally.

    I still think that kim's appearance in the film got TP coveage and entry into media outlets and places that he never got into before. If he hasn't released films in theaters or home video internationally, I think this would be a good one to do that.....youthful cast....and bit role for one of the most media covered/obsessed women in the world right now.

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