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Join Us Today! S&A Livecast Season 2, Episode 11 (Interracial Love On Screen)

by Cynthia Reid
June 22, 2011 9:12 AM
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If you aren't listening to the S&A podcast, you're missing out...big time! Do yourself a favor and join us--the S&A Crew--today at 8pm/est. It's nonstop fun and tomorrow will be no exception. Slated for discussion:

-Interracial Love on screen
-Nicole Beharie
-Rumors that Jamie Foxx and Will Smith turned down Django Unchained
-British black actors/actresses working in the USA
-How much accountability should be placed on actors and actresses when they accept awful projects?

Remember, you can listen and join us HERE or download the podcast later. Don't forget you can check into the chat room as well. If you have problems getting in, give us a call so we can help you. See you there!

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23 Comments

  • CareyCarey | June 25, 2011 7:12 AMReply

    JMac, I didn't see you come back (just read your last comment) but you KILLED this one. Damn, I could feel the passion in your words. And I doubt Mr Accidental will be coming back because we've put a deep whole in his argument.

    I also agree with you sentiments about the podcast. Some folks seem to be afraid to take a strong opposing stance. Like you said, that's so boring. I could watch a slow and plodding PBS special if I wanted to listen to safe, one sided and agreeable banter. When I look at all the successful radio programs and round table discussions, most of them are fueled by strong dissenting voices. I don’t care if the issues are sports, politics or movies, the best are those that have distinct opposing views, not safe and soft banter with the moderator/host giving the most voice to their opinion/view/position.

    JMac, you said: "I’m not gonna lie, there are some f’ed up black chicks who revel in WM/BF pairings for all the wrong reasons (makes them feel prettier *snicker* or they feel like they’re being avenged after decades of BM/WF on screen relationships.) Either way we’re getting screwed literally and figuratively."

    PREACH! That's what I'm talking about. Let's tell the whole story.

    JMac, I saw you sitting in the chat room at the last podcast (this podcast) and I was their too. I understood your silent voice (for several reasons). Anyway, as I was sitting there I wasn't going to phone in because, well, I didn't want to be the "bad guy" and I don't know how to kiss ass. Also, earlier in the week I had "talked" with Monique and asked her if I could sit in Sergio's spot (to keep the party poppin' and have the opposing voice) since he would not be there, and I was told to call in during the show, not be a panel member. That's a very slippery slope. The conversations, viewpoints, positions and issues are already on the floor and then the phone line is opened... “BAM! what do you think about that Carey“? Well hell, what do I think about which one of the millions of opinions and issues on the floor? So I sat on the sidelines until I heard Monique call my name over the air @ around the 40 minute mark. I then picked up the phone and called in. Although I poked fun about it, I really do feel rushed and setup when I fall into that position.

    **Damn, this is becoming an open letter to S&A** lol

    "It’d be more fun to assign two people to intentionally take completely opposing sides on this issue and debate it for the next podcast. There was too much consensus this week. Everybody agreeing with each other is boring even if we actually do agree :D That’s what I meant about the lack of bitterness, people disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing"

    Again JMac, you're making a whole lot of sense.

    Personally, I believe S & A’s blog is the perfect portal for an outstanding podcast, if only 1... 2... 3... 4... and 5 and possibly 6 egos work as a unified front, not a clique and a clack here and there.

  • JMac | June 24, 2011 9:00 AMReply

    He hasn't come back yet so let me slide this comment in here. Obviously everyone has their own perspective on this issue and I still think there's more BM/WF pairings if we're going back to the Guess Who's Coming to Dinner/ Great White Hope days. Of course, whether it's lopsided today or not doesn't really matter. At heart it's just a childish tit for tat argument - "well BW do it more" "no BM do it more." I'm not gonna lie, there are some f'ed up black chicks who revel in WM/BF pairings for all the wrong reasons (makes them feel prettier *snicker* or they feel like they're being avenged after decades of BM/WF on screen relationships.) Either way we're getting screwed literally and figuratively.

    I'm more pissed off when the black character has completely dysfunctional relationships with other black characters of the opposite sex (or no relationships with black characters at all) but they always find solace in the arms of the white character. Watcha tryna say? I see that more with tv shows than movies but I think that just makes it worse. Week after week seeing the same mess until you just have to boycott the show altogether. Also don't like this movie trend where black women supposedly have these "magical vaginas" that can make crazy men sane, sad men happy, gay men straight, blind men see - but only if they're white men. Black guys just go to jail and die. The racism sexism double punch.

    “And to be perfectly fair why should a black male or black female character denounce iR on screen?”

    I've got a different take on this question. How about because it happens in life - a lot but you never see it on the screen. Why not? Because we must love our oppressive masters and be nice little niggras. Please screw me I have such low self esteem and black people are soo mentally unhealthy not like you white folks. Not even hundreds of years of slavery and racial discrimination affected any of your perfect minds unlike Tyrone down the street who can't even get a job and Kisha's multiple baby daddy babies making ass [rolls eyes].

    I just learned Jada's Hawthorne show is supposed to take place in Richmond VA. All I'm going to say about that is the IR aspect better be a major issue everywhere they go otherwise they should've chosen Los Angeles instead. Richmond wasn't a capital of the confederacy for nothing. That place is still a shithole.

    Oh and add Eriq LaSalle to the list of black actors that won't do IR just for kicks.

    It'd be more fun to assign two people to intentionally take completely opposing sides on this issue and debate it for the next podcast. There was too much consensus this week. Everybody agreeing with each other is boring even if we actually do agree :D That's what I meant about the lack of bitterness, people disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing.

  • CareyCarey | June 24, 2011 3:16 AMReply

    @ Accidental,

    Before you address my next comment, I am suggesting (and I believe Monique hit on this) the present IR stories on screen are not out stories. They are written by white folks for white folk. Yet, they use or actors to draw us to the turnstyles. The frequent response (and Cynthia hit on this) is to say, "the actors have to eat and it's a way for a black actress to advance her career"

    I say "miss me with that and stop using our black actors to advance the careers of white actors, and pad the pockets of white producers"

    Who likes being pimped and pimp slapped? I don't!

  • CareyCarey | June 24, 2011 3:00 AMReply

    "The question is more about the extreme one-sided pairings of IR on the big screen"

    AccidentalVisitor, I believe Jmac asked you to support that opinion (one-sided pairings) in another post. You've yet to address her concerns.

    But I don't believe there was ever an established "question" so S & A couldn't have "it" wrong. So, I believe that's your point of interest, but the discussion was wide open.

    My concern, as I've repeated several times, is the lack of diversity in the script/plot/message. I don't care if it's Bm/WW or WM/BW, i want to see stories that show the inner conflicts that are directlly related to the color of their skin color (like Kia's project). I don't want to see guy meets girl, they screw and that's the end of the story... with a little giggle, wiggle and flirting in the middle. I am tired of seeing a slip and slide IR couple (side storyline) in which the action,storyline or drama is not focued on their relationship and the issue (their issues) created directly by their skin color and culture clash.

    "And to be perfectly fair why should a black male or black female character denounce iR on screen?"

    That's a vague question? What do you mean "denounce IR on screen? Who suggested denoucing anything?

    Now, if you're trying to ask why should a black actor turn down an IR role in which the couples COPULATE on screen (which many actors, white and black do turn down) I hope you can find answers that question. If not, your position is well stated and then a further conversation would be moot.

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 24, 2011 2:09 AMReply

    {{{ Where is the brother that comes to the realization that marrying a white women was a huge mistake, and show why he came to that conclusion. }}}

    Ha! First you actually have to find a number of examples in modern cinema of a "brother" dating a white woman (let alone marrying her) before you can expect the black male character to denounce such a union.

    And to be perfectly fair why should a black male or black female character denounce iR on screen? Once again folks here get the argument wrong. The question is more about the extreme one-sided pairings of IR on the big screen.

  • CareyCarey | June 24, 2011 1:25 AMReply

    LOL @ Jmac, woman, don't be stirring the pot and kicking up mess, that's my job *smile*

    But I don't know if I should agree with you... or what?

    "clipped your little wing did she"

    Well, I guess I can say that's true, for several reasons. I do know what type of bird don't sing.... a jail bird. So, did she handcuff me and thus clipped my wings? Well, I'd have to say my roll was slowed and I didn't get much sleep last night. I don't think she's gonna hug me like she loves me.

    "You need lessons in how to kiss ass"

    Ohh that's nasty, but COME ON, kiss an ass? Listen, I'm not going to be someone's special kind of fool. Plus, that's some nasty drama, and drama is nothing but the space between a lie and the truth.

    But if I did kiss someone's nasty behind, we might find the core of a serious problem.

    I mean, think about it, if you ask me to kiss your ass, drama is going to breakout because somebody is lying. I am lying to myself if I believe that kissing somebodies rusty ass will make them love me, and they''re lying to themselves if they think a wet kiss on their ass is going to solve our problems. Consequently, if we remove the lies; drama ceases to exist. Nobodies ass is getting kissed but...

    Don't get me wrong, I didn't come to this conclusion over night. Oh no! Not until it got real dark did I see the stars. But don't ask me to kiss your ass, because my new motto is... WHAT ABOUT A TIME CALLED NOW! NOW... I am going to ask you why you'd want me to do that? Then we will see if we are moving toward an event filled with lies, deceit and drama, or moving to a mutual agreement that one of us just wants to get their freak on. Hey, I might like kissing somebodies ass (you never know) and that's no lie. No lies, no drama... er'body be happy.

    "Those last few lines did seem a little… snotty"

    Now ya got me, which lines? I've never been called snotty, arrogant but not snotty. But maybe you're not talking about mine lines? And I know you're not a kiss ass who is afraid to tell the truth. Nawl, that's not you.

    "I think the podcast is better when Sergio’s on. The bitterness to reasonableness ratio was definitely off last night"

    I believe I've said (joked) enough about the podcast and my humor doesn't always seem to fly, but Sergio is my guy.

    "bitterness to reasonableness".... huuuummm, you'll have to splain that one cuz I ain't going to touch it. I am already in deep doo-doo. :-)

  • CareyCarey | June 23, 2011 12:35 PMReply

    Damnit Monique, you messed up my sleep, your comment (2 down) didn't rest well with me. You say you have a sense of humor but your comment spoke differently.

    In my comment preceding to yours, how on earth did you use that to come to the conclusion that I was being sexist? I don't know you and I sure as hell don't know if you have 6 babies. That was obviously intended as a joke. I certainly do not believe calling Cynthia the big shot caller falls under the description of being a sexist. And seriously, to say I’d slide you 2 C-Notes to sit in the captain’s chair is being sexist?

    You even spoke of my use of analogies, and again, you missed it, but yet you say you have a sense of humor. I believe everyone knows the meaning of “sitting at the children’s table” so I was referring to my continued theme (JOKE) that I’ve been sitting at the children’s table, and thus longed for the day (maybe this Thanksgiving :-O) that I would be allowed to come up to the big table. So what’s really going on?

    Heck, I enjoyed the conversations, and even though I joked about James’s air time ( I believe he knows that) I was in agreement with much (if not all) of what he said last night. In particular, I believe he agrees with my opinion that there’s a deep lack of diversity in interracial films. As a counter point, someone mentioned Hancock and a canceled TV program. Yeah, Hancock! James jumped all over that one by saying the black character was still a drunken slob, and I said the Hancock character does not even fit the discussion, and then someone said we were going too deep. Too deep?

    My problem with the whole IR in film is not so much the lack of “positive” male figures, it the lack of diverse storylines. Where is the sister that tells the white dude to get out of her face? Where is the brother that comes to the realization that marrying a white women was a huge mistake, and show why he came to that conclusion. The brother does not have to play Mr. Perfect, he should have all the character flaws of most humans, but he has come to the conclusion that he let his little head control his big head.

    What about a story that centers on black women and black man that date exclusively outside their race. Now most of us know but might not say it in public (an open forum) that those types of individuals are quite different from the average going black man and women. Come on now, y’all know what I’m talking about. Heck, for the most part, they go out of the way to remove themselves from anything considered “black”. And they are scorned and ostracized. Where is the story of the grass looking greener on the other side but horribly ugly when the curious one jumped on the other side. DIVERSITY!

    Where is Paul Harvey, I want to hear the rest of the stories.

  • JMac | June 23, 2011 5:51 AMReply

    @Carey
    Ahh, Monique clipped your little wing did she? You need lessons in how to kiss ass. Those last few lines did seem a little... snotty.

    I think the podcast is better when Sergio's on. The bitterness to reasonableness ratio was definitely off last night.

  • CareyCarey | June 23, 2011 3:46 AMReply

    @ Monique, Oh Lawd, sexist?! Might you be reaching?!

    My comments toward you and Cynthia.. SEXIST?!

    Okay Monique.

    And who said I chastised Tamara for waxing poetic? Excuse me, my exact words.... "We can wax poetic; words and mo words, lines after line, but never get to the most central points. Ambiguity is a bad thang when discussing an issue of major concern, not to mention the journey of trying to finding real solutions"

    Didn't I not say "we" and did Tamara and I meet a common place? So I am left to believe you're on something. But I understand. And if you don't understand you should ask somebody before venting your frustrations on me. And we were getting along so good :-)

    "Pointing your finger at other people"??!! Maybe you'd like to talk about that. I mean, let it all hang out. Show me yours and I'll show you mine because as it stands, you can miss me and have missed me with the white girl cry. Damn! We can disagree but please don't make up false reasons to voice your disapproval of my commenting style, unless you're prepared for me to critque your style? I think we'd better let this one lay right here.

  • CareyCarey | June 23, 2011 3:24 AMReply

    Kia Said: “CareyCarey you might be happy to know that I’m developing a story as we speak about IR, but from the pov of what I think is missing: an honest unbiased look at IRs, namely black female/white males. In fact, I actually want to focus on the subtle bias moments that occur, but are overlooked b/c the notion we sometimes fall prey to: That color does not count. It most certainly does, even in a “perfect” IR.”

    First Kia, I have to say THANK YOU! I know I get on some folks last nerve with my whimsical banter and my pointed opinions, so it’s always nice to hear that someone “gets” my form of commenting.

    Even though I can be arrogant, preachy, bullheaded and foolish, I too - sometimes - need love (validation).

    I don’t know if you listened to the podcast, but I referenced your comment (twice) because through your words, I felt you had an open mind about interracial relationships, and I agreed with what you said. And, because I have a penchant of “speaking outside the lines” I’ve had to accept the following Japanese and Russian proverbs:

    "The nail that stands up gets smashed down."

    and

    "The tallest wheat stalk bends first."

    Kia, I will definitely check you out.

  • Monique | June 23, 2011 2:54 AMReply

    @Carey, if I didn't have a sense of humor, I would think your comments toward Cynthia and I were pretty darn close to sexist.

    Not to mention, it's funny how you chastise Tamara for her "waxing poetic" and yet, you get on your pulpit all day long around here...aimless analogies, and endless poetic license that almost always veers off the topic at hand. We know you are a preacher Carey, but please practice what you preach before pointing the finger at other people.

  • CareyCarey | June 23, 2011 1:58 AMReply

    @ Tamara, yeah, I was just ruffling your feathers -too.. But the written word is very hard to convey all our thoughts.

    " Look forward to hearing you and others on tonight’s show"

    Well, we will have to talk about that. They only let me on when they want to use and abuse me *lol*

    Seriously though, have you notice they always set me up before they let me speak... "okay now Carey, be nice and we only have so much time, so keep your comment short"

    They even say, "your buddy Sergio is not here (the old conquer and divide), so you'll have to deal with us women, And since James gives us a kickback, he can talk forever, but not you"

    See Tamara, I just can't win. :-)

    You know what I should do? I wonder if I could slip Monique a couple of C-Notes to persuade her to let me co-host, or better yet, HOST an entire show. You know Monique has about 6 babies (heard them in the background) so I know she could use the cash. I mean, she has repeatly said she is looking for I good my, so I am here to fill the void. But wait, I believe Cynthia is the big shot caller and we've been getting along, so maybe I should tender my request to her? Yeah, that's it, I could co-host with my buddy Sergio and let the women sit at the children's table? Then I can tell them to be nice and precede their comment with "the following are not the opinions of S & A, only two chicks that work here" *LOL*

  • Monique | June 23, 2011 1:40 AMReply

    @Vanessa, we're doing a part two next week. Call in again and be sure to drop myself or Cynthia an email beforehand and we'll be sure to get you on. - Monique

  • Vanessa | June 23, 2011 1:26 AMReply

    yah good show even though I was ON HOLD and nobody saw me lol. It was nice to listen to OTHERS comment :-)

  • James Madison | June 23, 2011 1:12 AMReply

    Great show S&A! As always, thanks for giving us all an opportunity to discuss topics in a great forum.

    P.S. Don't go on hiatus. (^_^)

  • Kia | June 23, 2011 1:09 AMReply

    @CareyCarey

    You might be happy to know that I'm developing a story as we speak about IR, but from the pov of what I think is missing: an honest unbiased look at IRs, namely black female/white males. In fact, I actually want to focus on the subtle bias moments that occur, but are overlooked b/c the notion we sometimes fall prey to: That color does not count. It most certainly does, even in a "perfect" IR.

    I had abandoned the project recently, but decided to pick it up again b/c I'm seeing the cries here on S&A, among my peers and from anybody who feels that the grass is greener on the other side. My own personal standpoint is that it doesn't matter what color a person is, but as long as I stay true to myself about why I'm really engaging in that relationship. Am I dating this person b/c their race, which might be based on some misguided ideal or am I truly attracted to that person (mentally and physically).

    If anyone wants to know more about the story contact me @ kbarbee@elmhurstent.com.

    Great podcast as always.

  • Jamie Brewster | June 22, 2011 12:30 PMReply

    Hi Guys,

    Do you have an email I can send question while your live on air I'm writing from London, UK.

  • Tamara | June 22, 2011 12:06 PMReply

    @ CareyCarey,

    Well my comments are just comments; definitely not gospel. And yes, I did speak from one perspective (the selfish actor) and of what I said, LOTS was un-said. Maybe ambiguity exists in my points because I only have a limited perception but a desire still to speak on the topic, to contribute a little, and/or maybe provoke others (you) to respond. I am but merely a humble observer (who waxes poetic), always in this. Perhaps I should've have gone with my initial comment which was much longer and more expansive than what I presented here.

    Appreciate your thoughts, as always. Look forward to hearing you and others on tonight's show.

  • Kia | June 22, 2011 10:34 AMReply

    Thank you, thank you for addressing the accountability issue. There was a post awhile back about being responsible with casting choices in regards to skin color and being mindful of why those choices are being made as the filmmaker. I feel the same way about some of the films that are being made as of late. You can make money and quality at the same time... I think.

    Nicole Beharie, happy for this topic as well.

  • CareyCarey | June 22, 2011 7:22 AMReply

    @ Tamara, since you jumped the gun (it's 2PM my time), and I may not be allowed on tonights program. I'll address a few of my conerns with your comment.

    Well, in short, you comments do not address any of the underlying deeper issues. For instance, Sydney Poitier didn't accept many rolls, why? Every actor (white & black)would not accept a role in which their love interest was of a different race, why? Halle Berry faced a ton of scorn for having sex with a white man on screen, why? Was it the sex, or the color of the man's skin?

    On the issue of "accountablity" , again, you missed several pertinent questions. You spoke from the perspective of an actor with selfish motives.

    I can go on about what I did not hear in your comments and what you failed to address, but I believe the written word will not do it justice. If a moderator (like in a live cast) was present, they could break in when the discussion fails to address an issue on the table and/or when a "respondent ", or differing point of view is not addressed.

    We can wax poetic; words and mo words, lines after line, but never get to the most central points. Ambiguity is a bad thang when discussing an issue of major concern, not to mention the journey of trying to finding real solutions.

    Posted @ 2:20 PM

  • james Madison | June 22, 2011 5:46 AMReply

    I'm in! Looking forward to the topics. Especially Interracial Love and Accountability.

  • Tamara | June 22, 2011 3:10 AMReply

    -Interracial Love on screen: why the hell not? and gimme some more. variety is the spice of life, and he who controls the spice... lol

    -Nicole Beharie - on the radar, thankfully. wish her well and more. one to watch.

    -Rumors that Jamie Foxx and Will Smith turned down Django Unchained - meh. debunked, no? given the latest post?

    -British black actors/actresses working in the USA - get in where you fit in. West (the USA) seems to be "up" (no place else to go). Interesting though in your write-up how even in the UK the representations of black there is as singular (street/neighborhood blacks) as the depictions of us in the US market (bitter but 'strong' black woman, Jezebel, gangsta-thug, magical negro). Hollywood: a system of containment. A layer of seeming-impenetrable starry-painted sky above the proverbial "glass ceiling". Napalm the sky; put a flame-thrower to it all ye black peoples of all nations.

    Point: at least these UK invaders are 'actors'... Or are they rappers and singers too? I'll read the article again... I certainly think that would make a difference, but then not seeing as how our roster of 'black hollywood' is inundated with rapper/singer/model as well as actor.

    -How much accountability should be placed on actors and actresses when they accept awful projects? Only that between them and their consciousness after signing the contract and receiving payment. Actor-X may know the project he's on is turrible and may vow never to do that type of project again. Actor-X may also decide to keep doing projects of the same terribleness because the pay is good. It's all on the individual. I don't hold them accountable, too much. I mean, Black film can run the gamut of excellence to utter trash, just like 'white' film and other films do. As long as there's a range for me to praise/criticize. If I don't like it, doesn't mean I have to watch it. If they (actors) are okay with it, let them do what they do.

  • Monique | June 22, 2011 3:02 AMReply

    @ Jamie, yes, click the contact tab (above) on our blog and you'll find all our email addresses. Thanks for listening!

    Waves @ James!

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