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by Courtney
December 15, 2012 11:19 AM
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Wow - I thought this was quite deep. I don't know if Bhanu Athaiya realizes how her action and words could reflect on Indians in general.

First, the details from a THR report this morning state: 

The first Oscar to be won by an Indian has made its way back to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences in Los Angeles. Mumbai-based Bhanu Athaiya won best costume design for Richard Attenborough's multiple award-winning Gandhi at the 55th Annual Academy Awards in 1983. But the 86-year-old, who is suffering from a potentially life-threatening brain tumor, has returned her statuette to the Academy for safekeeping.

And why is she returning it to the Academy?

"I do not trust anyone in India to keep it. If [acclaimed Indian writer and poet] Rabindranath Tagore's Nobel medal could be stolen from [Tagore's hometown] Shantiniketan, what is the guarantee my trophy would be safe?" Athaiya said in a statement.

And still further, and I think more damning, she added:

"In India, no one values such things, and we lack a tradition of maintaining our heritage and things pertaining to our culture..."

That's the line that really struck me. Let me first say that, as the THR report states, she's not the first Oscar winner to return her award to the Academy for safekeeping, but her reasons for doing so got my attention, and I can only wonder what other Indians think of what she's said.

I believe I've heard similar things said about "African culture" (broadly-speaking), and how black people not only in Africa, but here in the USA as well, don't value aspects of our culture the way others on the *outside* do. We don't place as much importance on them, or we avoid them (especially the more painful parts of our culture). For example, I think we've all heard/read/been a part of debates that compare how importantly Jews regard the Holocaust, but African Americans don't hold their own Holocaust (slavery and its aftermath) in a similar regard. 

I recall posts on this site about the number of films made that center on some aspect of the Holocaust (a lot) compared to those made about slavery and/or the fight for civil rights, over the years.

I also remember a story Tambay told me about a friend of his (an American college professor) who went to Ghana to visit the Cape Coast where the slave castles are, for research she was doing for a paper, and being really shocked at how poorly records were being kept, and how genrally uninterested Ghanaians seemed to be about this really significant part of our history.

There are other examples, but I think you get the point, and I think that's why Bhanu Athaiya's comments struck me so. Maybe they just resonated as familiar. And then I imagined if a black person (no matter where they are from) said exactly what she said - essentially that they don't trust black people to keep their Oscar because black people don't value such things, and we lack a tradition of maintaining our heritage and things pertaining to our culture.

So, in effect, what is being said there, without really being said (by Bhanu Athaiya and really anyone with that mind-set), is that there's more trust in white people to maintain our histories and legacies, than there is in people who look like us. Does that about sum it up?

And if we have any readers from or in any part of India, I'd love to hear what you have to say about this. Maybe it's not even that big of a deal.

Thoughts on any of this?

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  • B. Bhaskar | December 17, 2012 12:59 AMReply

    It's rather interesting to read Courtney's views and as a fellow Indian well versed in our cultural practices and their intent, what Bhanu Athaiya may have meant by "In India, no one values such things, and we lack a tradition of maintaining our heritage and things pertaining to our culture..." was historically Indians are poor at treasuring their own history, culture and more specifically in record keeping for posterity & so she did not believe fellow Indians cared as much as her to preserve something historically relevant unless some measure of selfish interest was involved. I as a Scientist for 24 years have experience in dealing with appalling levels of documentations and records of their own observations of incidents, occasions and experimental details. Indians' poor record keeping has a lot to do with their impatience in paying attention to detail in aspect of life & this is forced by the circumstance of having to constatntly wanting to show their friends/peers/colleagues that they're good in what they do. They're constantly striving to make their own lives a success by having to compete with millions of people by finding short cuts to their sphere of influence. This lack of attention to detail and a cultural lethargy to one's own history, tradition, conventions etc. make them very poor in treasuring any kind of historical records or memorabilia. As far as I can see there were no implications of any kind of racial prejudice involved in her statements.

  • Nadia | December 16, 2012 5:15 PMReply

    Who knew a post about an Indian woman returning her academy award would generate this much debate on this site? Here's something that the Hollywood Reporter article that this article quotes, didn't say. I got this from the India Today website: "In an interview to Headlines Today, the 85-year-old Athaiya accused the central government of neglecting her contribution. Talking about the government neglect, she said there was no recognition of her contribution... Athaiya, who won the film world's most prestigious award for costume design of cult classic Gandhi in 1982, has already been in talks with the AMPAS to work out the way of returning the award." And then I found this on the Times of India website: "Despite being the first Indian to win an Oscar, Athaiya has never received any state or national recognition for her contribution to Indian cinema. "It is disappointing. This is the state of artistes in our country," added Athaiya dejectedly. Allegedly Athaiya is estranged from her family for many years now. When asked why the family could not take care of her trophy, Athaiya's Kolkata based daughter Radhika Gupta remarked, "I could have but that would be a temporary solution," and added, "Mummy felt she never got the recognition she deserved in the country. She felt the Oscar would lose its meaning if kept here. It's now gone to a good place, where she feels it would be preserved with care, respect and dignity." So from reading both of those site's reports, it looks like it's more about her feeling disrespected and her achievement not being recognized and valued by the powers that be in India, the government especially, than it is about the levels of poverty in India. I think someone here said that the Oscar may not really hold any significance in India because it's really an American thing. And we in America may be shocked to learn that the rest of the world doesn't hold these same things in the same regard as we do. So it makes sense that she hasn't received the recognition in India that she feels she deserves because they just don't care over there like we do. Especially in a country that has its own film industry that rivals America's in a number of ways. So there could be a hint of nationalism by Indians who feel that their own system of recognition is more important than America's. Also I wondered whether she had any family who could take care of the trophy, and this answers that question as well.

  • Ben | December 16, 2012 3:56 AMReply

    As an aspiring actor I agree with the notion that minority groups do not preserve our cultural heritage in a way that properly reflects our history; more specifically African-American contributions within the context of American history. This is where African-American's have to pay homage to what Tyler Perry & Queen Latifah have done for African-American actress's of a certain age in 21st century cinema. Award-winning women such as Cicely Tyson, Lynn Whitfield, Phylicia Rashaad, Alfre Woodard & many other actress's would not have had platform's to showcase their talent & remain relevant in wide released movies if the aforementioned producers had not continued to give them work. Anyone born after the 80's would not know some of these women because their "hey-day" by the year 2000 had surpassed. This is not to say that African-American producers in the 20th century did not showcase our legends & accomplished actors, but as the years progress, the quality of work for African-American's dwindle. Hollywood follows trends & drama is not a selling point in today's society, with that being said, showcasing "our best" becomes harder & harder; this is where Tyler Perry & Queen Latifah come in. The greater conversation is how do we as African-Americans, raise our value system to a place where we nurture our true talents, pay homage to our legends in a respective manner & preserve our most accomplished performers in a way that contributes to their legacy instead of forgetting about them once they reach a certain age in their careers.

  • JMac | December 16, 2012 1:11 PM

    What does hiring older actresses have anything to do with preserving heritage and culture? Absolutely nothing. We have plenty of museums and people trying to preserve old films/transfer to new mediums so those who are interested can get easy access to the information. If someone decides they are not interested in going or looking for the material (iow too damn lazy) that's their individual issue. It does not reflect the reality that AA have preserved several aspects of our history and culture. Some of you act like it should be shoved in your face or presented to you on a golden plate or put into a movie (ha) before you acknowledge it exists. Unfortunately, it's found in things called books -yes, written by blacks of the time period, old recordings, drawings and art in large and small buildings scattered around the country. This woman's statements do seem odd to me and I agree I think there may be a difference of opinion concerning what the native culture considers important and what outside cultures consider important. And there need not always be a financial angle determining which side wins. Some blacks appreciate the Oscars and others don't. I could easily see how Sidney Poitier's Oscar may not be given as much value to blacks as to whites or those around the world who hold the statuette in high regard. But I am willing to bet all blacks would value the story of his carving out a dignified acting life in such volatile times and his drive to be more than just a black actor. Which one is more valuable? Which one is more indicative of preserving black heritage and culture? If we (black americans) have a problem with our heritage it is not so much in it not being preserved but in making people want to seek it out.... beyond a google search or a dvd.

  • Gautam | December 16, 2012 1:32 AMReply

    First of all, let me make this clear. I am an Indian and to see such a statement from another Indian on global platform is rather bizzare. I think Indians value their culture very highly, and therefore it's still the most culturally rich country in world along with Egypt, Greece and Italy. Any western who has visited India will vouch for this fact.

    Now coming to Bhaanu Athaiya's comment, I would argue actually she herself is showing one ugly trait of Indians which is not respecting one's own country when he or she becomes famous on global stage. Secondly keeping her Oscar safe has nothing to do with culture. Yes, there are certain security issues in India, we have 1.2 billion people to look after so her trophy might not get the security she would be demanding for it. But to say, Indians don't respect culture and tradition is a blatant lie. In fact, India is suffering to an extent because they are holding on their archaic age old customs and tradition for far too long.

    @BONDGIRL

    Your comments are not only highly irresponsible but also completely baseless. India is not dirt cheap country, it's rather one of the fastest developing country right now and hold your seats tight, because India is going to overtake US by 2050. Get your facts straight and then speak.

  • bondgirl | December 19, 2012 10:40 AM

    @Xi: When did you go blind? Indians are not our ally. And btw, I'm not a person of color, but a black woman. Don't place me in a group with people who've historically subjugated my race.

  • Xi | December 18, 2012 11:59 AM

    However "accurate" your comments may be @Bondgirl, they are disgusting to read. To see people of color be so divisive is really disheartening. @Gautam is merely saying the safety of a western trophy has nothing to do with preserving his culture and even admitted its safety could potentially be an issue, so essentially, you both have already agreed. What's crazy is to read words like "dirt poor" about another culture with absolutely no connection to their state of being....as if the imperialism that put these people (of color) in that position didn't effect us all. And @Carl....I don't...you...what?...counseling, Bruh. Seek counseling.

  • bondgirl | December 16, 2012 2:00 PM

    @Ali: Ah, the anti-American sentiment raises it's jealous head. Funny, it's always those who juice the system that seem to be the angriest against it. Using your flawed logic, I would be arrogant if I called Haiti a dirt poor country as well, if Garcelle Beauvais or Wyclef Jean objected. People have a defensiveness about the state of their native land, just as I might get touchy if someone of another race mentioned Compton or Bed-Stuy as less than stellar. That doesn't make the comment less authentic. Not all Indian ppl know what's going on in their homeland, nor do all Africans, or Chinese. My POV is valid, but because I refuse to link documentaries of Indians eating rats in slums or Oprah's recent journey, then somehow it's hubris on my part? My statements are "very accurate" because anybody with half a brain can go online and see video, photo, and text of what I'm asserting for themselves. Google doesn't require a 120 IQ, just strong bandwidth.

  • Rasheed | December 16, 2012 1:55 PM

    What Carl said. LOL

  • Carl | December 16, 2012 1:51 PM

    And yet ALI is on an American blog everyday like the two faced bitch he is. The economy is improving and our economic power isn't going anywhere. So stop stroking yourself. Your bitch ass probably lives in New York. America is blah, blah, blah, blah. We have heard it all before. Please bitch about something new. American arrogance, blah, blah, blah. You damn right! Just like British arrogance, Indian arrogance, Russian arrogance and YOUR arrogance you stupid fuck. The usual jerk off who cries about America but has his snout in the American troth like everyone else. Two faced idiot. STFU. Cry us a river. lol

  • Ali | December 16, 2012 1:31 PM

    @Bondgirl - Your comment is "very accurate" simply because you say it is, but you've yet to provide any factual statistical data as evidence, other than your opinion based on what you think you know. Good old American arrogance. I've traveled there, and I have friends doing business there, therefore I'm more than equipped enough to speak with authority on what's happening there, even moreso than the people who actually are from there, were born there, and live, breath and work there. It's that same arrogance that saw the USA crushed in Vietnam. That same arrogance that saw the 9/11 attacks. That same arrogance and carelessness that lead to your recent deep economic depression that's sent many into poverty, one of the worst in American history. And there are more examples. It's the same arrogance that will lead to America's eventual shift to a secondary power. Good luck to you as well. We'll check in with you in another 15 to 20 years and compare notes again.

  • Carl | December 16, 2012 1:24 PM

    @Nadia..I said with the help of the U.S it would happen. Without U.S help, shipping our jobs over there, its a pipe dream. Not because they are a superhuman race of fucking people. Read asshole.

  • bondgirl | December 16, 2012 1:05 PM

    "...it's rather one of the fastest developing country right now..." Developing, not developed. Huge difference. I said poor, not cheap. My comment is very accurate, and I don't require CNN or blogs to tell me the current fiscal status of India...I travel there, as do my friends who are doing business there now. An ex of mine invented a device to create/filter clean drinking water in India, and he made a fortune so your assumption of what I know is more ignorant than anything. I'm aware that India can become a wealthy nation(as any), BUT IT'S NOT THERE YET. Plus, my point wasn't to slander the economic forecast of the country...it was to show that she has a verified fear of theft. The same Indians (and apologists) who refute my remarks, have the same to say about living in black neighborhoods, so please. And India overtake the US by 2050???LOL. If you know nothing about the history of the USA, you will find that the gov't will create a war in India/Bangladesh/Pakistan in order to make sure that NEVER happens. Good luck, though.

  • Nadia | December 16, 2012 10:26 AM

    @Carl - yes, 2050. You do stay informed with what's happening around the world economically right, and all the changes that are happening everywhere, every year. You'll find TONS of reports like this one if you just searched the web: http://bit.ly/GXSxdi

  • Carl | December 16, 2012 2:23 AM

    Hold on to your seat but you are full of shit. 2050? Well until then, keep hoping the US keeps shipping jobs to your country to allow that pipe dream to happen.

  • getthesenets | December 15, 2012 10:29 PMReply

    What does this woman or her comments have to do with African(and diasporan) cinema?

  • Nadia | December 16, 2012 10:23 AM

    Jezus! Are you that dense? Did you even read the article before you decided to respond? And even if there wasn't an explanation in the article as Justin said, if you can't read this and make your own connections to the Diaspora, or if you can't see the relevance in the point of the article, then you really must be dense.

  • Justin W | December 16, 2012 9:40 AM

    She explained it in the piece.

  • tmack | December 15, 2012 9:14 PMReply

    Someone stealing her Oscar is not going to destroy her legacy, only a symbol of it. It wouldn't be like someone stealing a valuable painting or book. Her creation would still be in existence as would the recognition of it.

    She's worried about somebody ripping her off because she lives in a country of very poor people. But she masks those thoughts with words about that put it another way. Sure, if I got an award and fell into desperate times, I would sell it or pawn it to feed my family if that were the only way. I certainly wouldn't starve to death over it.

    I recall many, many years ago travelling in Egypt and being told by the guide that hundreds of mummies were buried in the grounds. I asked why they hadn't been dug up, given their value. The guide politely responded that people's communities were sitting on those grounds and they were more important.

    In any case, I think it's a leap to connect someone's disingenuous comments about their trophy to a group of people not revering their history and culture (and I'm not talking about some Disney made history for The Help). Black unemployment is still in the double digits (though you don't hear much talk about it for some reason, not even by our black news anchors) and wages have declined drastically. People might be a bit more concerned with feeding their families and keeping their homes out of foreclosure at the present.

  • Africameleon | December 15, 2012 3:41 PMReply

    Speaking of "class".... I think Bhanu Athaiya's understanding of "culture" is meant to read as "high art" and culture in a more westernized sense of the word. She sounds like someone who has both social and monetary capital - for Indian standards. And she probably doesn't live in a shanty town or slum. India is a very poor country, and even though there are no more "legal" caste systems, there are still social caste practices in play. Is she one of the Indian masses, or is she one of the Indian educated elite? How does she view the people who are poor yet they keep the temples, worship the different traditional Indian deities, and practice Indian customs that are not easily legible or recognized by non-Indians? Just because there are no (or not many) museums, concert halls, or colleges of art, etc. like those we'd find in the US or other Western(ized) countries doesn't mean that there are "no keepers of culture." As for examples of the preservation of African Diaspora culture, I would have to object to the point about "needing to make ends meet" and the fact that "blacks are still struggling." Yes we are still affected by structural racism and discrimination. However, WE STILL preserve our culture and history in different ways both "high culture" and the culture of our various communities. I know that a lot of these forms of "high art" have been accepted by the wider white audiences and that is part of the reason why they have been largely institutionalized. But don't tell me that Alvin Ailey, black visual art, and Black Rep Theaters aren't BLACK forms of high culture! Not everything is "white washed." And those came from different folk traditions of language, religion, dance, song, and art. I hope you see what I'm saying.... We also preserve our history - hello - BHM/Y, Juneteenth Celebrations, Emancipation Day observances, and whoever still observes Kwanzaa. We just don't get media recognition at the level of our Jewish counterparts and other white ethnics. For example: St. Patricks Day. I still don't understand why the entire country observes this holiday????? And the largest space of preservation for Blacks would be in the area of religion. And the spiritualist tradition bleeds into all of our music genres. All I'm saying is that Africans world wide do preserve their culture - both expressive and historical, regardless of their economic status. I think it's problematic to not include a discussion of "space and place" when talking about cultural preservation. Our culture moves, it's not all tangible or things we look at. Our culture is what we do. Black is who we are, what we live, and how we live. Whether Black or Indian, why would "preservation" look the same? Some Indian women wear the Sari on only special occasions b/c they are westernized and "modern," and others wear Sari's all the time. Perhaps b/c that's the few items of clothing they have. So isn't this an issue of what is acceptable in the presence of whites as well? And the fact that what modern is also what is "white." This affects what is "formally" recognized as an "honor" and what is informally recognized as an honor. Trophies like the Oscar are European traditions that may not be easily translated to the Indian masses? They understand $ and that it would buy food. That's why they would melt the trophy down. Having a trophy made of gold in MY own house seems weird to me. I don't think people stop to realize that that's actually NOT normal for many people around the world. Perhaps a statue of gold should be someplace safer than someone's home.

  • Xi | December 18, 2012 11:21 AM

    I couldn't have said it better myself!

  • TK | December 15, 2012 2:02 PMReply

    This is incredibly sad but I think she is right and it relates very strongly to what goes on with us. As Bondgirl said many Africans in the Diaspora are too busy trying to make ends meet to think about culture and history, trying to get some interested in the inner cities is an up hill struggle because they can't see how it relates to their everyday. The only thing we who have a mind to can do is preserve what we can however we can. My organisation, although only small and very young, is making a concerted effort to preserve a part of the African Diaspora culture and heritage, come check us out www.ciad.org.uk

  • bondgirl | December 15, 2012 1:05 PMReply

    Only people who have never accomplished anything extraordinary in their own lives, would be upset with her meticulous safeguarding. She has every right to be concerned. India is a dirt poor country, and 90% of the people would melt her Oscar down for money. Her statements are a perfect example why black ppl should stop thinking that only the BC has ills, and every other race is unified with a singular cultural mission. We have to do better in terms of archiving and promoting our culture, but part of it is a class issue. When you feel like you're just surviving out here, things like passing down legacies become last on the list of priorities.

  • Neemisha | December 16, 2012 10:16 AM

    I'm Indian-American and I follow and write about India's economics for a living. Extreme descriptions like "dirt poor country" only amplify the problem. It's no different than generalisations Americans have about African countries (famine and war are the two main stories, which we all know, or we should know don't tell Africa's story in full). The poverty rate in India is at 29%, versus 17% in the USA. Not a big difference. And every year, the Forbes 400 list of richest people in the world is packed with Indians. Yes, there is a huge division between the rich and the poor. But there is also one here in the USA, with the big difference being that the USA has a much larger middle class than India does. But that's quickly changing as the gaps continue to close. India is one of the BRIC nations (Brazil, Russia, India and China) which are countries economists all over the world say are seeing major economic growth, setting the stage for fundamental change that has lifted (and continues to lift) hundreds of millions of Indians out of poverty, forming a much larger middle class. And these are the countries whose economies will dominate in the years to come. I would continue but even if India was a "dirt poor country" as you put it, I would insist that there are more than enough people with Bhanu Athaiya's mind-set and of her socio-economic class who would happily safe-keep her Academy Award. To blast an entire country as uncaring and unfeeling when it comes to its cultural heritage is nonsensical and quite dangerous for her to say so casually. She can't make a statement like that without facts nor historical, economic and political context. It's not as if she's the first Indian in India with a valuable possession to safe-keep. There are several prominent museums in India that house millions of valuable Indian cultural artifacts. She had more than a few options that would have kept the trophy at home, but chose this one for her own reasons, and it's not because there is no value for culture and heritage, nor because India is a "dirt poor country." She's woefully out of touch with what is really happening in her country.

  • ALM | December 15, 2012 1:45 PM

    "....part of it is a class issue. When you feel like you're just surviving out here, things like passing down legacies become last on the list of priorities".<< Lady, you just said something right there. Very true

  • artbizzy | December 15, 2012 12:36 PMReply

    So she's sending her Oscar back to Hollywood because Hollywood maintains Indian heritage and aspects of Indian culture more than actual Indians do...(cue the looooong sigh) Someone stealing than selling an Oscar statuette could probably feed 10 families in India. She should send the Oscar back for more noble reasons like she's boycotting trite racist assed Hollywood. Ghandi is sucking his teeth in heaven right now. She gets the gasface.

  • Aaron | December 17, 2012 12:53 PM

    It's a documented fact that Ganghi himself was an open racist.

  • Adam Scott Thompson | December 15, 2012 11:49 AMReply

    We treat our history like a raw nerve instead of a learning tool. I saw "The Help" and enjoyed it as a well-told story; it also touched me since my granny (92 going on 93) worked as "the help" for thirty-five years, cleaning up after rich white people (which she was never conflicted about since it provided for her children). People were up in arms about that, but I wondered why. History is history. If you made a film set in 1940, chances are all the black characters would be domestics without political power -- that's just how it was. Yes, there were exceptions and even places in which blacks lived affluently, but for the majority this was not the case. I think that the efforts of Jews to keep the Holocaust front and center is not about whining or attention whoring. Rather it helps them to move on, I feel. We as a people can't move on first because many of us don't know our own history and second because we use it as an excuse to stay angry rather than as an opportunity to show the beauty of our culture. I love the movie "Glory" because the Negro soldiers were not homogeneous -- some were hot-headed, some were wise, some were highly skilled, some were cowards. We can't hem and haw every time a "Django" or "The Help" comes out; instead we must ask, does this broaden of the palette of us? Does it show us in more degrees, more dimensions? "Beasts of the Southern Wild" was directed by a Jewish white man (so was "The Color Purple") -- are those films counterfeit?

  • ALM | December 15, 2012 1:46 PM

    Some people's problem with movies such as "The Help" rest on the issue of balance. Hollywood continues to find movie to fund movies like "The Help" and "Django", but then they turn around and tell Black directors that movies about Black lawyers, doctors, etc. won't sell and won't be funded. All sides of Black life need to be shown, not just the suffering.

  • lauren | December 15, 2012 12:11 PM

    I agree with everything you said.

  • Critical Acclaim | December 15, 2012 11:36 AMReply

    Quite sad. Might be more to do with her age and generation, but still sad to read her thoughts on the matter when such great literature, art and activism is coming out of India.

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