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Producers Of 'Soul Food,' 'Barber Shop' Acquire Film Rights To ‘How-To’ Guide On Dating Across Race And Creed

by Tambay A. Obenson
July 20, 2012 6:10 PM
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Surely to stir up lots of conversation before a single frame is even shot... George Tillman Jr's State Street Pictures has picked up feature film rights to a book titled Swirling: How to Date, Mate and Relate, Mixing Race, Culture and Creed, co-authored by pop culture blogger Christelyn D. Karazin and journalist Janice Rhoshalle Littlejohn (both of them above, center).

Tillman will direct the feature film adaptation himself, which will be exec produced by Tillman, as well as both Karazin and Littlejohn, along with State Street Pictures co-chief Robert Teitel.

State Street Pictures creative executive Stacy Glassgold will oversee the development of the film, based on the book which was, as the press release states:

Written as a dating wake-up call for African American women [that] quickly attracted general audience readers both male and female. It is the first handbook on navigating the exciting, tricky, and potentially disastrous terrain of interracial, intercultural and interfaith relationships, with testimonials and expert tips on how to make the bumpy ride a bit smoother.

“Swirling” debunks social, cultural and sexual myths on “dating out” and serves as a practical guide for coping with disapproving friends and family, and offers advice from mixed couples who are happily “swirling.”

The book was released just a couple of months ago - May 15, 2012 - by Atria Paperback (Simon & Schuster), and has been met with both critical and reader approval.

You can pick up a copy at your local bookseller, online or in the real world.

This follows the success of the adaptation of Steve Harvey's best-seller on dating/relationship advice for women - Think Like A Man - which has grossed over $90 million to date.

But maybe a closer sibling to this new project would be the 2006 rom-com that starred Sanaa Lathan, called Something New, which also tackled interracial relationships from the black woman's POV. It's a film that didn't do gangbusters at the box office, grossing just over $11 million (about $12.5 million adjusted for inflation), despite what were mostly positive reviews from both critics and audiences. So it'll interesting to watch this and see how well it's received  whenever it's eventually made and released.

One thing it has going for it is the fact that it'll be based on a book that's apparently growing in awareness and popularity, which should be a plus.

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  • Holmes | November 9, 2013 4:54 PMReply

    Posted on Kola Boof ‘s page by a black woman, if a black man said the same they would be hell to pay.

    JaeJae UppityN'HiFalutin Turner

    I know I will be making biracial babies and I know I will not be reproducing blackness. We can not under any circumstances pretend that this is NOT what we are doing. However, I have no tribe and no male collective that is loyal to me therefore, I will breed out and sleep well. I adore all babies and black ones are my favs, but I'll damned if I birth them into dysfunction. They don't deserve. It

    16 October at 05:07
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  • Holmes | November 9, 2013 4:49 PMReply

    Janice LittleJohn and Christelyn Karazin better pay Evia royalties for this movie, since they done stole her ideas.

  • Koreole | May 23, 2013 1:36 PMReply

    Dont Do it!! To many women already do this in my community. This would be nothing more but ammunition for white america to attack the blaxk community.

  • Wesley | September 26, 2012 9:26 PMReply

    Im a single black male with no kids and in nucluer contruction. I must say that in light of all we have over come I never would 've thought the of our race would happen in America until as of lately trends being promoted like this. I for one am not racist but, I'm a proud black man.I love my people and my race but we are becoming weaker by the day because of this and I'm honestly scared. There are so few of us now due to a series of problems in our culture that we haven't fully embrased and cannot be fixed until we do but this is out right destruction. Its really simple math. Black women stop having black more African Americans! We become lost like and extinct like the native Americans that once inhabit this land.

  • OKELLY / SEPT | September 22, 2012 6:21 PMReply

    I agree with everything you said about white men in Kenya.I am an African and i thank God for our African women. African American women are incredibly pathetic and disgusting. I have never seen women who would go to such extraordinary lengths to humiliate and belittle their own men using extremely laughable excuse of expanding your options as though dating white men is anew phenomenon to them. In my personal opinion ''SWIRLING'' has revealed the truth about African American women . No i am not against interracial relationships.

  • Feminine Coffee | August 29, 2012 8:54 AMReply

    I work in an youth centre in Kenya. I am originally from Houston. This swirling is nothing new. Every year we get about 300,000 white male visitors who come here to have sex with girls as young as 8. This is real. And I would bet most of these men are married. Marriage statistics mean nothing and does not say anything about a persons or group's character. Even during slavery all the men who were sleeping with black slaves were married. I am ashamed as a black woman to read these idiotic and stupid comments by my "sistren" who make us look stupid in the world. Yes if I was white, I would be laughing at how stupid the black race is. Thank you.

  • Koreole | May 23, 2013 1:21 PM

    I know this is an old post . I'm a korean woman recently married to an Kenyan man. My husband has mentioned something about this to me. Why is there little reporing done on something like this. Also I want to state this why growing up in the DC metro area this is a small percntage of African American woman who will or are open to datung white males. For so many black women in the wounds of yesterday are to deep. I do agree with you movie like such only perpetuate white males dominance ovre women of color. Women in the west already give them more power in the dating game than is neccessarily earned. I alwys figure if black women doing this it would hurt the the community. IMO

  • Gregory | August 9, 2012 7:36 PMReply

    I don't have a problem with Black Women dating outside of their race. I am glad that they are starting to realize that Black Women need to start expanding their horizons. I definitely want to see the movie.

  • PaigeinPhilly | August 9, 2012 12:26 PMReply

    I think its way overdue for the black woman to date outside her race...broaden your scope, or be alone....carry on.

  • K | August 8, 2012 8:35 PMReply

    @Rose Red: Why resort to being a nigga?

  • Rose Red | August 6, 2012 5:28 AMReply

    That's what's missing from all the hypocrites on this thread who aren't marrying Black women or are forever single Black women or never married or jailbird broke bum Black men.
    You losers don't want BW to get love.
    Yall so jealous of some BW doing better than you.
    Kanye West and Kim Kardashian LOL are normal to kneegrows.

    Oh, back to love.
    Yall bishes don't have a scrap of love for THE BLACK WOMAN.
    Sorry jealous simps WM too busy to be blogging for no money like you and trust they DO make a better partner for BW and you all know it.

    Settle down, there are enough white, latino, and asian men for all of you to have one, too. And like Evia says ALL YOU NEED IS ONE GOOD MAN.


  • Barb. E | August 6, 2012 2:48 AMReply

    Looking forward to the movie. I enjoyed Soul Food and Barbershop. I like how they take actors out of their normal roles and introducing new talent at the same time. Can't wait to see who they cast for this one. Hopefully Channing Tatum'll be in it. He is so hot!

  • Rose Red | August 6, 2012 5:33 AM

    Girl you are right I hope she has some HOT AZZ white boys in that flick mmmm mmmm mmmm I love a wm with a tight body and cute face, LOL.
    We just can't wait for Swirling the movie!!

    Black men and their cheerleaders relax....yall can continue to watch hiphop videos, there you will applaud the insane swirling double standard...Lil Wayne, Kanye, 50, etc all got nonBlack chicks yall love that.
    Jealous simps, lol! Go watch Kanye and Kim on E! channel, lol!! We don't want you we don't care what you do and you ought not even be on this thread.


  • Tinker | August 5, 2012 1:11 PMReply

    What’s Wrong With Black Women?

    Even a casual observer who sees commercials, looks at billboards, magazines, online advertisements or watches any mainstream entertainment must notice that the writers and advertisers responsible for all those things as a rule don’t consider black women to be desirable to black men. Black women will consistently be shown as medical doctors, brilliant scientists, judges and holders of high military or political office, but they will almost never be shown as a starlet that is the object of desire by a black male. They will occasionally be shown briefly as the noble wife of some sorry white detective, or indirectly inferred by a mixed breed child of some single white dad. These last examples of women will usually be mulatto or quadroon with European features. It is very easy to find TV shows, movies and advertisements of every sort imaginable where a black man and a white woman are paired together romantically, as partners or as “good friends” with lots of friendly hugs and kisses. If a black man is ever shown with a black woman (e.g. commercials directed at elderly couples or insurance buyers, etc.) the wife will invariably be much lighter skinned than the man. For those reconstructed folks who want to instinctively jump through the roof in righteous indignation: obviously, there are honorable black men who can see through and reject this ploy and who desire to bring up families of their own kind and preserve their own culture. But I’m afraid there’s a very large percentage of the younger generation who are not honorable, and they are being encouraged every day to follow their lusts, reject their own and pursue white women. They are given the bulletproof defense of violent accusations “racism” or “hate” if anybody doesn’t like it. Ask any of your bar-hopping acquaintances how often they see black men in public houses pursuing black women, then ask them about how many they’ve witnessed hitting on white women. I’ve heard that young black men call their mulatto bastard children “trophies.” You figure that out. If any advertiser wants to present a glowing example of any product, school or whatever, they will usually display a mixed breed child or young person as the perfect picture – the new ideal race.
    Now, pondering why this scenario is so consistently the case I had to wonder what folks are taught in advertising and entertainment writing schools since they seem to turn out tin soldiers. They would all reject the idea of depicting a black man as a criminal, or a white man as a respectable manager. All of us senior folks remember what was once commonly considered an old truism: that a black man’s greatest ambition in life was to have a white woman. This is no longer said out loud in fear that the PC cops will arrest them and haul them off to a concentration camp or worse (in this land of the free). However, the entertainment and advertising media must know it as a fact since their actions speak louder than the words that now can’t be spoken. They know what sells. They don’t waste their time trying to advertise the opposite scenario because they know it won’t sell. This same old “greatest ambition” still exists and white women are apparently gullible. The radical social engineers know this fact as well and see that it is the best method of amalgamating the races into a single mongrel race that has no culture other than what is handed to them by their masters. These social engineers are also spending a lot of time and money promoting abortion among black women because they know that they are not likely to be having mixed breed children - the new ideal race of the empire.
    It is amazing to see something that is as plain as the nose on your face but never appears to be noticed in the public eye. Do you know of anyone who admits it or raises it as a matter of discussion other than in a blog? I do: black women. They see it every day and are furious. The few whose opinions I’ve been exposed to believe it is ruining their men, robbing them of husbands and destroying their families, churches and culture.

  • AccidentalVisitor | August 5, 2012 2:00 PM

    Nice try but this remark is flat out nonsense: "It is very easy to find TV shows, movies and advertisements of every sort imaginable where a black man and a white woman are paired together romantically ". I had to stop reading there because that argument can be effortlessly shot down. First of all in advertisement it is not EASY at all to find examples of white people and black people as romantic couples, period. Not saying there aren't examples, but it is no way near as easy as you suggest, and that includes black men-white women. As for TV shows you may have a better chance, but it is not any easier than finding examples of black women-white men pairings on televison. To be more specific on primetime TV it may be a draw right now. Historically over the past twenty years it may be a draw as well. We have had many shows (some short lived, some longstanding) in which there were pairings at one time or another of WM-BW and BM-WW. Neither pairing has had a dominant monopoly over the other during that course of that time and there re actual texts out there to back this up. However that all changes when you switch from primetime TV to daytime TV and when it comes to the latter, over that same twenty years, WM-BW pairings have been far more frequent than BM-WW. There are texts to support that too. The biggest discrepancy however comes in films. The number of movies with any type of WM-BW pairings (whether as leads or smaller players in a film) dwarfs those of BM-WW. It isn't even close. It is so "easy" to check this out for yourself simply by viewing the IMDB pages of the most high profile and typically most beautiful black actresses working over the last 20 or 30 years and then compare it to the list of films for the top black actors of that era. This can also be said of Asian actresses and non-white Hispanic actresses when compared to their (same race) male counterparts. This is no surprise. Hollywood and western society has always been more comfortable when the media (Movies, TV, novels, etc) present IR coupling as being a white man with a woman of color than they have been with pairing a white woman with a man of color. Anyone who is still debating this is beyond delusional. Once again if we can't accept and move past that fact when having these discussions then these discussions aren't really worth having in the first place. It is like talking about climate change to people who deny climate change is even occurring.

  • Ms. J | July 31, 2012 10:03 AMReply

    I want to know how black women dating interracially is going to solve many of the problems within the African American community, many of which were started as a result of living in a white supremacist society.
    Until we solve the race problem first, dating white men will always and forever be a problem. Sorry...

  • Rose Red | August 6, 2012 5:37 AM

    Sorry you better go talk to Michael Jordan, Kanye, Lil Wayne and Kobe!! LOL BM been gone a long time ago!! You must be blind not to notice they gone! If probs are to be solved time for the BM to do so cause honey there is no Black community the BM has left his sons and daughters to the wolves for over 40 years, BM, the only men who don't raise their kids BM the only men who are jealous of the women, BM the only men who show their jealousy of their women for the world to see. Oh and most are broke don't pay child support and wish they were white men, lol!

  • Tony | July 25, 2012 12:44 AMReply

    This is truly sad, this book has just came out now already were making a movie for it? Im not against Interracial dating at all mind you! but it is how black women are approaching interracial dating! they act as if marrying another culture is putting shame to the black man! like were no longer needed anymore! every race has it's own set of problems! and it doesn't matter because most black women who marry white men could be sleeping with a serial killer or a serial rapist! you never know! so I don't know why black women are having a white boy phenomenom like their the greatest thing on earth! Humans are Humans plain and simple. to write a book for dating outside your race is plain stupid and ignorant! and black women will soon realize white men are no different than black men because they rape, molest and abuse their own women too! and many of them are drug addicts, and killers hiding in plain sight! so go ahead and marry ya white man if that makes you feel better!

  • Gregory | August 9, 2012 7:40 PM

    Rose Red, there are White Men who are broke and don't pay child support as well. There are BM who are interracially married and still remember where they came from.

  • Rose Red | August 6, 2012 5:41 AM

    Stop whining you sound like a simp you can get a white man, too, lol!!!
    And I can tell that you haven't even read the book, you just another jealous simp crying about women that you don't even love nor respect. I don't know why BM want us to stay cause yall are not marrying the mothers of your kids!
    Jealousy is a funny look on a kneegrow man LOL all those years yall flaunt ww in music videos LOL KARMA is a mother BW tired time to get men, real family men, men who know how to plan things men who PROTECT COMMUNITIES and it sure ain't "nam one of yall on this thread".

  • Black People | July 23, 2012 11:01 PMReply

    Let's go black people! Let's show white people how important they are to blacks, by making sure this thread reaches 100 comments. Question for black women. If white males marry white women at a 95%, followed by asian women, then by latina women, where are all the white male blogs, books, and movies worshipping black women? Do white males have an obligation to save black women from their blackness that envelops their lives? Are white males not allowed to marry white women, their own race? How come asian women and latina women, have no blogs, books, or movies, and it's as easy as pie to marry a white male, yet for black women it's so hard? Surely white males marrying their own race followed by asian and latina women, can't be the fault of black men? Can it?

  • Red Rose | August 6, 2012 5:46 AM

    Yawning with these stats....68% of BM will stay single never married. Put that through your thick nappy skull oh shave your hair to hide the naps LOL. Never mind.
    I digress.
    Only 1/3 of BM marry, period!! And of the measly number a whooping 25% of them marry out.
    Got that! Who the heck is zooming who? BM don't like to marry, period, LOL.
    Therefore shut your damn mouth trying to school and question grown women go snuggle up to your ww....or wm....whatever floats your boat.

    Millions more WM than BM, period. Don't worry bout us make sure that your kids can read and your kids have manners what we grown BW do is none of you dayum biz Black man go take care of your kids and communities use your nonBlack women to rebuild your communities.

    CAUSE. WE. ARE. GONE!!!!!!!!
    (Jealousy is a bad look on a kneegrow man, LOL!!! Feel the breeze...)

  • Goody | July 23, 2012 8:56 PMReply

    Have you read her blog? Can you say "issues"?

  • Donella | July 23, 2012 6:19 PMReply

    Well, the movie would have a catchy title -- Swirling.

  • j | July 23, 2012 12:31 PMReply

    Where are all of the white male bloggers celebrating the greatness of black women? There are quite a few black women bloggers who focus entirely on white men. That is what is so embarrassing. These women have no idea how pathetic they look. 99% ofwhite men would never consider marrying a black woman. But 99% of white men would have no problem having sex with a black woman. This is the unpleasant reality many black woman refuse to accept. So instead they demonize black men.

  • Moionfire | July 23, 2012 11:21 AMReply

    How embarassing. You don't need a how-to guide to date interracially. God these conversations have to end- they are only embarassing black women and men. Do white people make these type of movies or books?? Of course not.

  • Rocket | July 23, 2012 9:30 PM

    I agree. It is embarassing. White people must snicker behind closed doors when they see this stuff.

  • urbanauteur | July 23, 2012 4:47 PM

    This bougie dilemma is summed up in> This wasn`t suppposed to happen_Susan Crain Bakos

  • Real Talk McGee | July 23, 2012 9:45 AMReply

    Nothing wrong with interracial relationships for anyone, only something wrong with placing one group on a pedestal, which is not what people who SUCCESSFULLY date/marry across ethnicities do. You're not dating the whole race; you're dating a single individual with their own personal flaws and attributes. The book and movement sound dumb (hi, Steve Harvey), but guess we'll see how the movie turns out (hi again, Steve Harvey). If you have a problem with interracial relationships or can't talk about them without whining like a bitch and ascribing some stereotypical mindset to its participants, then you're an insecure loser who needs to focus on your own shitty life.

  • Laura | July 23, 2012 9:57 AM

    @Real Talk McGee. Yes. Basic that's what it boils down to. (But I wouldn't be so harsh about it.) And I do agree with the Steve Harvey inclusion. Like I mentioned earlier, preying on the minds and purses of H.A.L.T.S. Black woman.

  • BluTopaz | July 23, 2012 2:12 AMReply

    How can you be sure to receive thesis outline length comments about Black women from Black men? Post an article about any project that advocates BW/WW relationships.

  • CareyCarey | July 23, 2012 1:42 AMReply

    I AGREE with Miles Ellison, July 22, 2012 10:43 PM reply: "Accidental Visitor has it exactly right!" . I mean, there's no doubt AV has extensively covered every aspect of this debate/issue. In doing so, he has submitted various forms of data (i.e. statistics, analogies, historical facts, book references, etc) to support his claims/opinions, much more than anyone else in this debate. Having said that, the biggest problem I see occurring -- in this debate -- over and over again is that many/some of the women visitors are "cherry picking" AV's comments. I am suggesting that the women is question are finding fault with an obscure and/or small detail of his many "renderings", instead of championing/accepting/agreeing with/pointing out the assemble of FACTS he has brought to this table. Now I could be wrong (don't think so) but I believe they've preferred that route (of least resistance) b/c there seems to be an invisible "Scratch Line" with Accidental Visitor (a black man) on one side and black women on the other. So as debates of this nature go, some women might be accused of, or fear, "Guilt by Association". Consequently, they stay mum when they know AV has made an excellent point, but jump to their feet when they find reason to say something ambiguous like "Accidental Visitor you're wrong about that"... "now you have officially gone off the deep end. Get help." I know y'all, I know, all black women didn't say that and they're not a monolithic block, I get that. However, from what I've read -- throughout this WHOLE thread -- Accidental Visitor has simply been saying/suggesting/pointing out the fact that the Black Female has to accept their -- OWN -- culpability (whatever they/that may be) PERIOD! And it seems as if many are having a hard time doing just that. Instead, some ease their pain and frustration by blaming and pointing fingers at "A.V." and any ol' evil black men, for their (black women's) predicaments and errors of their ways.

  • JMac | July 24, 2012 1:27 AM

    Oh please CC, you should have quit while you were ahead. Nobody's cherry picking anything. If anything, a lot of what AV's said people I completely agree with but when you find out where it's all coming from that's where the problem is. And I will cyber-slap any person black, white, male or female who will say that slave women had consensual sex with their masters and back that statement up with "some black women write this in books." Negro please. Again I say what books, what authors, and if these alleged books do read that way, so what? The problem with both sides is attributing the thoughts of a few sick twisted minds to the rest of us and treating fiction as fact. AV is talking out of both sides of his mouth. First he breaks out true stats that say IRs are rare and the overwhelming majority of blacks are married to other blacks, painting this nice idyllic black love scene showing that there's no problems/desertions with almost all black men or women, but then ends up saying why would non-blacks want to date blacks with black women airing our dirty laundry? WTF?! I won't even get into his sexist, revisionist history diatribe. He started out reasonable -addressing the faulty thinking of women AND men. Now he sounds like he's mad because he can't get down with the swirl due to some black female blogger telling all the non-blacks how bad black men are. Hate to break it to you but black men are not special when it comes to being portrayed negatively by female members of their race. You get any race of women together and they will dog their race of men like nobody's business - and put it in blogs and books and movies. If non-blacks aren't dating blacks the so-called black woman-led dirty laundry hangers are not real factors. Centuries of discrimination and stereotyping from many non-black groups are.

  • OG Bobby Johnson | July 23, 2012 1:19 AMReply

    After Notorious and Faster, State Street is desperate to get back into the market of black woman. But another relationship movie....I'm rom-com'ed out.
    "Something New" told you all you needed to know about this. GTFOU Here!

  • artbizzy | July 23, 2012 12:57 AMReply

    LMBAO at these comments! In one corner we have the "Curious White Boy When am I Gonna Meet Your Mama? Met your Daddy already" (Cree Summer, "Curious White Boy") camp . In the other corner we have the "White Boys Are So Pretty" (Nell Carter, "Hair") camp. At ease, folks. Youtube the songs. Have a listen. (Watch the Hair video. They just don't make talent like Nell Carter anymore. And Cree Summer, (the lovely product of a curious white boy and a black woman) was a bad-ass (still is!) rocking out in the late 90's Check out her other music, too. She's got some nice videos. Smile. Laugh. It's not that serious.

  • Andrew Brown | July 22, 2012 11:36 PMReply

    Let me continue on, I will keep it brief.

    Why do black women need a book to know how to date inter racially?

    This is what I do not understand. White men should pursue black women, not the other way around. It just makes black women look desperate when they do these blogs and books.

    The Author Christelyn Karazin did No Wedding No Womb, saying that out of wedlock children is a problem in the black community. Originally that is what she pushed before this so called Swirl scam book.

    Apparently, she left out a couple of things. Where are the black women with kids by "black men" that are single going to fit into "interracial dating"?

    It almost seems like her agenda is to say "well white guys will take care of you, pay all you're bills and take care of you're child or children by a black man".

    Mrs Karazin is a hypocrite herself, she lectures black women about being with white men. Yet had a child out of wedlock herself.

    How can you lecture black women on dating and you failed yourself in that department?

    To add icing to the cake, you do a Swirl Book and sign to a black man George Tillman (Top Black Producer in Hollywood). The same black men you "say are the problem" for black women that 'want to date out". The same black men you accuse of being "misogynistic" and all kind of negative things. I saw Notorious, god bless George Tillman, I ain't seen nothing uplifting for black women in that movie AT ALL.

    How do you sell out you're own "movement"??????? Can that be done?

    Lastly, these BDWE Black women have been ducking me for a long time. I have been writing about this so called "movement" for a long time.

    You stole from Evia, who really sparked this whole " I need me a white guy to pay for everything for me". You never gave her any credit.

    God bless Christelyn Karazin, she stepped on ALOT of black women to get to the top.

    Y'all got pimped over there on NW NW when she signed to George Tillman.

    Nothing against George Tillman, but that is like Drake signing to Deathrow records and becoming a gangsta rapper.

    What happened to Black women empowerment and standing up for something.

    They straight went out like strippers on the pole.

    I was disappointed in Mrs Karazin. I really was, I thought she had integrity.

    Mr Laurelton Queens

    I am out man.

  • Cherish | July 23, 2012 7:07 PM

    Ahh, the Black-woman hating Mr. Laurelton Queens is here. Wow, how did you end up here?? Just what this site needs *sigh*

  • Andrew Brown | July 22, 2012 11:22 PMReply

    Basically this is another failed attempt at the movie "Something New".

    When will these women get off the bash black men bandwagon already. Tyler Perry has done well off of it.

    I guess you got middle aged bitter older black women trying to pass off an inaccurate book. It makes them feel better.

    The real issue is "rainbeaus" as Mrs Karazin likes to call them. They should be interested in black women and do books and movies about them.

    Instead it seems to be these black women worshiping them. Where are all the books and movies that show the burning desire from white men towards black women?

    I haven't seen any of them. Perhaps, I am missing something here.

    You can count on a couple things for the Swirl movie to be.

    It will have black folks as the villain (Black man of course).

    It will never show the white guy in a negative light, such as having reservations about dating black women (which is the reality).

    It is a pathetic attempt to profit off the misery of black women.

    I think their hidden anger towards black men are pathetic and evil. You don't care about black women as a whole. You're whole blog is centered about white men saving black women.

    Mr Laurelton Queens


  • WhyAreYouSoUpset? | August 28, 2012 4:21 AM

    How is it that a black man can be against black women opening up their options for interracial dating but I don't see your name popping up on any other site about black men who date interracially Mr. Andrew Brown. Just like how you say you "KNOW" Mrs. Karazin, well I know you and you like light skinned hoodrat chicks with children and MAJOR DRAMA. I never understood why, but you do and you're an educated black man. Now with my darker than a paper bag skin tone the regular black man would pass me over in a minute. How come there is no outrage from you from all of the hundreds of YouTube videos and blogs that bash, literally bash dark skinned black women (and black women in general)? Where's your anger? Where's your outrage? What about all of those videos and black male blogs that place every race about above a black woman? Nothing from you.

    If you took the time and bought the book and actually read it, you will see it DOESN'T bash black men at all. Nothing hateful about it. It does talk about interracial dating, intercultural relationships (such as an African American dating an African) and interfaith relationships (ex. A SDA man dating a Catholic woman).

    I don't know where this notion that black women shouldn't be afraid to open up their dating options translate to black women who date or are interested in dating interracially hate black men. Black men have been exercising this right for yearsssssssssssss and black women are finally waking up and starting to do the same thing.

  • Moionfire | July 23, 2012 11:38 AM

    Good point. This will just make black men look bad, and black women seem desperate. Why not make a movie about why white men don't want to date black in general. When did this worship of white men by black women(at least on the internet) begin??

  • Melissa | July 23, 2012 4:07 AM

    I don't know about books, but just ask kidchaos and accidentalvisitor themselves, they always talk about it and I see it as well. white male producers are pushing out wm/bw portrayals and movies en masse right now. this book by bw is nothing compared to the movies by wm that subconsciously promote the same thing. 'knight in shing armor'. i have a whole list!

  • Miles Ellison | July 22, 2012 10:43 PMReply

    Accidental Visitor has it exactly right.

  • Gregory | August 9, 2012 7:45 PM

    Ladies, I recommend the book Colors Of Love by Kimberly Hohman. She is a Black woman who is married to a White Man and has children. It is not only a how to guide for BOTH Black men and women to having Interracial Relationships and its from someone who is in a Interracial relationship. Read it.

  • kid chaos | July 22, 2012 8:01 PMReply

    Accidental visitor maybe you should write for this site.

  • AccidentalVisitor | July 22, 2012 6:43 PMReply


    Next these types of books go out of their way to portray white men as white knights who can whisk downtrodden black women away from all of their troubles. I suppose that's all part of that whole "the grass is greener on the other side" way of thinking that all people fall trap to. And in plenty of cases I don't doubt a black woman's life could be made better if she finds a white mate. But not because he is white, but because of his character, if he is a good man. Being white doesn't automatically make one good any more than being black makes one bad. You would think black people of all people would realize that. However I guess some would like to ignore that because it goes against their line of thinking. Point is that white men can come with their issues just like any other men. They have their problems too. They cheat and they lie like anyone else. They beat their spouses like anyone else. They have relationship problems and get divorced like everyone else. Compared to black men there are a few things statistically that make them more attractive as potential mates, but that can be said about all white people in general compared to black people. How much of that is a residue of generations of racism? Does it matter? Regardless a slew of black women are going to come to a shocking realization that crossing the color line isn't necessarily going to solve their problems. If you are naturally attracted to people of other races then that is fine and good. But to seek another mate of a race because you think men of your own race are the blame for all that is wrong is simply absurd. Besides it isn't fair to white or other non-black men who may have to live up to expectations of being perfect counterpoints to all the previous men in a black woman's life. Another problem I have with the alleged contents of the book in question is that it seems to reinforce this line of thinking that black women are never at fault at anything other than picking the wrong man. Got a bad job, got bad health, got bad self-esteem, got money trouble? Blame someone else. And we know who that someone else is. In a bad relationship? That no-good, ungrateful black man is the problem. Where is the accountability that black women are just as capable of being bad mates, bad parents, bad people? Where is the needed look in the mirror in which one confronts that he/she has been the navigators of most of the bad paths he/she has taken? Last of all the book seems to support an ignorant belief by black people (in the case of this book--black women) that there are all these suitors of other races just waiting for them. I come across this junk all the time. Black guys claiming they are through with black women; black women who state they are through with black men. That is followed up by proclamations that they will start dating whites, Asians, Latinos, Eskimos. No blacks allowed though! Now that may work out for many, at least for awhile. But many others will come to the painful conclusion that all these other groups aren't all holding their breaths waiting for potential black mates to start flooding the dating market. As I wrote earlier black people as a group date/marry outside their race less than any other group in America. Much of that is due to the choices of black people. However much of it is also due to the choices of OTHER people. Even in a more enlightened and multicultural society black people are far down the list as suitable, ideal mates. Yes, a lot of this is the result of long standing prejudices towards black people. Not to mention black people may still be the most segregated group in the USA thus non-black folks interaction with them are limited to the workforce or in the line at McDonald's. Here's a question: why would all the non-black people be so interested in hooking up with black folks considering our own houses are still not in order and that the men and women in the black community are PUBLICLY at each other's throats wherever you turn? Hell, we make it personal and then hang our dirty laundry out there for all the world to observe. There has been an industry made out of black people griping about members of the opposite sex of their own race, and to be frank black women have led that charge. Why would other groups find that attractive, why would they want to take up people with such baggage, at least why would they in large numbers? No other group, despite their problems, resort to such nonsense when it comes to crossing the color line. They just do it. They don't need to resort to how-to-books which manages to throw half their race under a bus. Most sad of all there are so many great books by black people that deserve to get attention from people like George Tillman. Books like "The Warmth of Other Suns" is the type of material Tillman should be fighting over to make into films or miniseries. Instead we go after the lowest common denominators with "Think Like A Man" and "Swirling". But being drawn to unsubstantial material, whether it be books, movies or TV shows, is what black people prove to be reality time and time again.

  • Justsaying | July 22, 2012 11:32 PM

    @Melissa, what do these 50 something comments stem from that has nothing to do with white people?

  • Melissa | July 22, 2012 10:12 PM

    I will also not forget when you stood up for the dark Igbo Nigerian girl who was being grilled by Sergio and company in the podcasts, for not agreeing with the casting of Thandie Newton. Your comments strike a good balance, but when you address bw in IR topics, some might take offence to what we see as a mass stereotyping of the general BW populace on earth. Silly I know, but it does hurt. Not all bw want to shackle bm down and keep them unhappy. Some want to see our brothers happy, healthy and well no matter who they fall in love with. Your happiness is my happiness. Seriously!

  • Melissa | July 22, 2012 10:02 PM

    Hi AccidentalVisitor. I do find myself agreeing with many of your points include which IR portrayals are considered taboo etc, etc, but the way I see it black men and black women are not two separate elements whereby if one is up, one is down. You all seem to be doing some sort of revenge thing against each other and I think THAT would make for a good movie/documentary. It is quite eerie to be honest. I am African and it's safe to say African women who are not from America notoriously 'swirl' but it's not because of any issue with African men. In fact in Africa and Europe, the IR stats are reversed, but you'd never find 50 comments on it. These 50 comments stem from something that has nothing to do with white people. And it needs to be explored! That being said, I understand your frustration but just know that not all black women in the world think one way, or even agree with each other. Some just have louder voices.

  • Laura | July 22, 2012 8:41 PM

    @AV the comments you made @ July 22 6:43 I can somewhat agree. But the comments you wrote below @ 6:37 & 6:40 -sorry to break it to you bro-- you sorta sound like those stans (Red Rose; Jamie from the Christelyn Karazin blog. Just a male version. From the wellspring of anger and hurt you are spewing so call "truths" about Black women. Just like they are about Black Men. Can't even go into the critique of the age old myth about "Black woman been in cahoots with White men since slavery" trope. People before me have done it much more eloquently job than I ever could dismantling that nonsense. If that is the lens in which you view Black woman --oh well. Ain't nothing going to change your mind anymore about Black woman any more than the Christelyn stans view of Black man. But hey Sera Sera. What ever will be, shall be.

  • AccidentalVisitor | July 22, 2012 6:37 PMReply

    Well, it looks as if another blowup has taken place on this site. Don't know how much if any I contributed to that, don't have the time to read through all of the comments. Perhaps I am mistaken by some of the content and intent of this book and the author's website. Again I am going only by second-hand information. Nonetheless if what I've been told is true then my critique, in my opinion, was justified. But maybe I could have stated it better. Here are my issues with such books, and this book in particular, if all the info I came across is true. First of all it would seem to suggest that black men are to blame for the miserable state (imagined or otherwise, mental or economical) that black women find themselves in. That is insulting. Not only is it insulting to black men like myself, it is insulting to our people in general. Not just black people of today but black people of decades, centuries past who dealt with the worst society could throw at them and yet did their best to remain strong and together. None of the lingering and present problem is directed towards a society that is still not free of prejudice. Instead the black man is now the scapegoat for the black woman's struggle; the chain that is shackling her, restraining her from reaching her full potential. Everybody else get a pass it seems, particularly white men and black women themselves. If the black woman has any confidence regarding her beauty, worth and greatness it is the direct result of the black men who don't appreciate her, blah, blah, blah. It is the result of black men who have abandon her for those white she-devils or perhaps women of other races. This is despite an inconvenient factor know as "the facts" which include stats that black people in America, both men and women, date/marry outside their race LESS than any other group. Even though black men for several decades have been more likely to intermarry the number who do so are still too small to affect black marriage and the black family in any significant way. Besides how stupid is it to ignore that throughout the history of America the main impediment of the celebration of black beauty has not been the devilish works of black men, but the whims and attitudes of a white dominated media (A white male dominated media to be more specific) who for decades scoffed at the notion of promoting black desirability: some of its traces remain to this day. And for those black guys that do go outside their race for what? That is the right of anyone in this country, including black women. Doesn't matter the reasons. Shallowness, self-hatred, superficiality, wealth, lust, love. People who date/marry WITHIN their own race get together for some of those very same reasons. Despite the oppression of black folks this issue is not theirs alone. Other people go with their own or choose outside their "tribe" for some of the very good and negative reasons.

  • Laura | July 24, 2012 3:13 AM

    @JMAC. Let's take his vile sick twisted logic to its logical conclusion. "Of course not all of the women were unwilling either. It is a myth that during slavery, for example, that every black woman sleeping with white men did so against their wills. Many, not most but many, went to bed with their "masters" without a fuss. Some did so because they thought it would be justified if it led to an easier life for themselves. Some did so probably because they were attracted to the power of the white man. Some may have actually loved their enslavers. How about that?" --As quoted by AV. Now don't you agree JMac, that male homosexuality and pedophilia existed before the 20th century. Don't you agree that it existed in the 16th, 17th, 18th and 19th century during slavery. We all know that those sexual acts were not sanctioned during that time. (Not the pedophilia is sanctioned now.) Who do you think white male slaves master and overseers used to satisfied their "physical needs" --us of course. So let's replace the black women with black children and black men -- shall we. ** "Of course not all of the children and men were unwilling either. It is a myth that during slavery, for example, that every black child and black men sleeping with white men did so against their wills. Many, not most but many, went to bed with their "masters" without a fuss. Some did so because they thought it would be justified if it led to an easier life for themselves. Some did so probably because they were attracted to the power of the white man. Some may have actually loved their enslavers. How about that?"*** Ain't that some sick isht. Makes me sick to my stomach. That's how I feel about the BS that typed about us. Please AV can you scientifically explain what makes Black woman fundamentally different from Black children and Black men that we would be accept rape by the men who sell children, parents, sibling, husbands, beat us at will, work us death and Legal/systematically deny our humanity.

  • JMac | July 24, 2012 12:28 AM

    Yes, I've noticed his comments before but I had no idea he was in the ish so deep as to make ignorant ass statements like that with nothing to back it up except whatever is in his mind. Don't like IRs fine. Don't like it being exploited and made to seem like something it isn't, I agree with that. But how the hell do you look at some pre-20th century IR couplings and call it voluntary or a choice. Somebody needs to ship him or some underage family member off and let him experience slavery firsthand so he can see what happens if you say no or 'put up a fuss.' I guess some of us also forgot that being a "free black" didn't mean you were "free," especially if you were a woman. I've got my great grandmother's writings to prove that - not some conveniently chosen books of FICTION SUPPOSEDLY written by SOME black women. I'd like to know what books he's referring to although I bet the plots aren't as "black and white" as he's made it. Now if I brought up the black male slaves who somehow managed to gain freedom but didn't even attempt to go back and get their slave wife and children, I guess I'd be trippin'. If I referred to Minister Farrakhan's own remarks about how black men have always desired white women from slavery to today, I guess I'd be told his statements don't count because he's just feeding into the "myth." Triflingness goes both ways. Excuses go both ways. Allowing a small minority of misguided people to alter your perceptions to the point you attribute their stupidity to the majority is stupidity in practice.

  • Laura | July 23, 2012 9:13 AM

    @JMAC. AV has always had issue about the portrayal of BW/WM coupling in films by ...get this... WHITE (MALE) FILM MAKERS. I know you are familiar with his posting on S & A boards. But rather than see it in the context of those film makers controlling portrayals Black folks they see fit, he puts it in the context of Black Woman assault on his (Black) male ego. Just like the "foaming at the mouth" commentator Red Rose "Yall don't say squat about Kanye, Michael Jordan, Ice T, Tyrese, Lamar Odom and all the rest. Yall so brainwashed to accept BM swirling!!" -- remember her? His view of Black Women comes from a place of hurt, anger and limitations just like the Swirl stans. *** The issue with the regular S & A folk is not BW/WM coupling, who cares. It's the way H.A.L.T.S. BW go about satisfy an itch they can never scratch. So as I said or let me rephrase. AV view of BW is the other side of the same Christelyn Karazin view of BM coin. Just a switch in gender. But I can not hate on the brother any more I can hate on the sisters. We are a damage people and our sickness runs deep. And the source of the sickness is not our own. Don't get me wrong we do a great job in self inflicting wounds. No doubt. But I can't be any more mad about the Swirl stans statement than I can about AV.

  • JMac | July 22, 2012 9:37 PM

    "Many, not most but many, went to bed with their "masters" without a fuss." Okay you have officially gone off the deep end. Get help. The only person here who seems to be obsessing about IR relationships is you, not some ABW. Also don't agree with your earlier post about these types of books. I think you'll find most relationship books written by women of any race tend to blame men (or blame women for getting mixed up with men who aren't good for them.) I'm guessing if you want some woman blaming relationship book, find one written by a guy. But then, what guy reads relationship books? Exactly. You don't need to tell anyone that white men have problems just like any other guy. Watch Lifetime channel for an afternoon and you'll see all of it and then some, brought to you by white female screenwriters, directors, and producers. There's an industry alright but it just now started focusing a little on blacks and I doubt any whites even pay attention to it. If they do, who cares? Most don't live, love, and work in the black community so they don't know the truth about anything anyway. Maybe this movie will do a TLAM twist and not turn out to be as bad as the book sounds - perhaps someone goes all out for an interracial, inter-cultural, inter-religious relationship and then realizes he/she just needed to be a better person to attract a good mate... Like the song says - don't be a nickel out here searching for a dime. LOL. We'll see.

  • AccidentalVisitor | July 22, 2012 6:40 PM

    The second problem is this ridiculous belief that for an eternity black women were doing us (ungrateful) black men a favor by being their wives, lovers, companions. Goodness. What a waste of time, blood, sweat and tears when all this time black women could have been rested their weary bosoms on the sturdy, honorable chests of white men who could appreciate them. What a fantasy. Truth is most black people hooked up for the same reasons why most people of any race hook up with those of their own race: familiarity, cultural understanding, shared beliefs, regular interaction, comfort, attraction, etc. This idea of the chaste black women who put up with the philandering black male who, what, went looking for the beds of white women is a paranoid obsession by some black women. It is a made up gripe that is used to justify stepping outside the race when they look for mates of their own. Why the need for such excuses? If you like someone outside your race just go for it. And what's up with the historical revisionism as far as miscegenation is concerned? Let's be uncomfortably real. If there is one interracial pairing that has a dubious history in this country it is that between white men and black women. After all it was white men who for years took sexual advantage of black women, even those married, during the time of slavery. It was white men, even those who were married themselves, who would rape black women leading to the conception of children who mostly were kept in the bondage of slavery despite their blood lineage. And even after slavery, during the Jim Crow era in the South, white men were still known to use their power to take sexual advantage of unwilling black women. Of course not all of the women were unwilling either. It is a myth that during slavery, for example, that every black woman sleeping with white men did so against their wills. Many, not most but many, went to bed with their "masters" without a fuss. Some did so because they thought it would be justified if it led to an easier life for themselves. Some did so probably because they were attracted to the power of the white man. Some may have actually loved their enslavers. How about that? And in case someone gets outraged wondering how I could suggest maybe they should take a look at the literature written by black female authors that deals with era of slavery in America. You can barely find one book from such an author that strictly deals with the inhumane treatment of all blacks by the white masters. Instead you get stories or fullblown subplots in which a terribly attractive black female is desired b one or more white man, often times her masters. And of those white male masters at least one always ends up being a "good man" who loves his beautiful, loyal ebony/mocca slave woman for all the right reasons. And of course the white madams in such situations are portrayed as jealous, wicked monsters who are justifiably cheated on by their husbands because they don't provide the white masters with what they need emotionally or sexually. You see a selection of black women have been romanticizing slavery for decades and making a profit out of it, but somehow it is the black man who has been betraying them. In antebellum New Orleans the free women of color (whether mostly black, or mulatto, or quadroons) quite often would become the willing mistresses of married white men, producing offspring. It was accepted while at the same time ignored by society. Where was the loyalty of those black women? Even through the Jim Crow days white guys could get away with sexually assaulting (and at times it wasn't assault) of black women. Black men? They had to take it. Not only did white society feel that way, but black society stressed that to black men as well. A black man who struck out often in honor of a black women, would often die at the hands of whites. Those misfortunate men must be rolling in their graves if they knew that according to certain black authors white men have been the champion of black womanhood all this time (didn't Alice Walker make a similar claim one time?). Black men during those good old days were also told to keep their hands and eyes off white women, even while their own women were free game to the white male. And yet it is the black male/white female pairing that became taboo in fiction, advertisement and society in general. During World war II when white soldiers had Betty Grable as their pinup girl, the black equivalent for black soldiers was Lena Horne. And she was married to a white man at the time! And she wasn't the only black female celebrity to do so then or now. Truth is even non-celebrity black women have hooked up with white men from that time until now. Don't get me wrong. I don't have a problem with any black woman (or anyone) dating or marrying anyone outside their race in these modern times or anytime after slavery. But spare me the garbage that all black women spent all their time in this country looking ONLY for black mates, until , of course they got fed up with all the bad black men. Spare me the nonsense that black women alone were looking to save the black family but were betrayed by this supposed countless majority of black men who pursued non-black women. Its bullshit.

  • Agent K | July 22, 2012 11:22 AMReply

    Some not all.

  • Agent K | July 22, 2012 11:18 AMReply

    If you read some of the comments on the blog you will see that black women associate with doing better for themselves by being with white men. It's too easy.

  • Muse | July 22, 2012 2:56 AMReply

    I have the book. I am a fan of the blog. I look forward to the film.

  • Francis D. | July 21, 2012 11:06 PMReply

    Actually I have read the book and so have three of my friends. While her blog does focus on BWE the book is for everyone. She doesn't disagree with BM/WW relationships either. All the negative comments are clearly from people who haven't read the book, have never even visited her blog, or those who wish the we're confident enough to consider there own "other options". Target audience: people who swirl (medium sized community), and people who want to try it (large community).

  • Rose Red | July 21, 2012 10:51 PMReply

    I saw this word used to describe BP's reaction about BW swirling and I'm using it now!
    Hypocrites! Yall don't say squat about Kanye, Michael Jordan, Ice T, Tyrese, Lamar Odom and all the rest. Yall so brainwashed to accept BM swirling!! Stupid women!!

    Jealous jealous jealous so afraid of anther BW doing better than you you need to go read to your kids go lose the weight go marry the father of your out of wedlock kids but you lack the guts!

    Her blog is AWESOME and it is not ghetto so sorry that's why some of yall don't like it.
    She UPLIFTS Black women, that's how I know yall don't read her blog.

    Jealous dumb hypocrites fussing with that sis instead of losing the weight and marrying your babydaddy!!

  • ALM | July 21, 2012 11:32 PM

    @Rose Red: Refer yourself to this blog by Christelyn:

    .In that blog she specifically states that "As such, black women and black men are first perceived through a negative prism until they PROVE to be otherwise." By making that statement, she is taking all responsibility off of anyone who is racist against Black people, and she places the blame on Black people as guilty until proven innocent.

    I initially was excited about her blog, but after reading a statement like that, I was extremely disappointed. I am not brainwashed, nor am I jealous of Christelyn.

    Those of us with differences of opinion disagreed in a respectful manner. You should take a tip from us, and find yourself some class. Your hateful generalizations of Black women as being both overweight and out of wedlock mothers shows your true character.

  • ALM | July 21, 2012 5:46 PMReply

    Interesting, but I must agree with the poster Laura on her point regarding Christelyn D. Karazin. I have read Christelyn's blog, and she has an awful habit of blaming African American women for everything. She even had the nerve to post (either earlier this year or toward the latter part of last year) a blog blaming African American women if men of other races were not open to dating them.

    Christelyn's blog initially comes off as an open minded forum that encourages love across the color lines, but the blog eventually shows its true colors to reflect a forum for Christelyn to berate other African Americans. It's a real shame.

    "Something New" was a well done movie, but I'll definitely pass on this one since Christelyn is attached.

    By the way, someone in the film community needs to create a set of films that will focus on dating successfully period, not just dating successfully across color lines.

  • Laura | July 21, 2012 10:57 PM

    @Rose Red. Wow. You forgot to take your meds earlier today.

  • Laura | July 21, 2012 10:57 PM

    @RoseRed. You forgot to take your meds today.

  • REALITY | July 21, 2012 1:23 PMReply

    What a joke. There is a group of black women who spend their time fantasizing about white men because they view these men as the ultimate validation. These women make it seem that MARRYING a white man is simply a matter of black women "opening their minds" as if white men have no say in the matter. In the mean time white men are NOT fantasizing about MARRYING black women.

  • bababababbaba | October 10, 2012 12:09 AM

    all you ignorant fucks stfu and mind your own business b/c like it or not interracial is here to stay so get use to it!

  • Ms. J | July 31, 2012 10:52 AM

    This comment is completely accurate. I have yet to see white men marry black females in droves.

  • Moionfire | July 23, 2012 1:09 PM

    I have to agree. These women need to find out why they seek validation from white men. This is so embarassing. When did this fetishization begin?? And shame on the company that bought this story/script.

  • Laura | July 21, 2012 6:30 PM

    @Happyness. I will ponder to say that most Black women who have relationships white men DO NOT fall in that catergory.. These Black women deal with the day to day reality of relationships. The ups and the down, like the rest of the world. And that's the problem I have with this BWE/Swirl movement. It's almost fetishizing white men, And never good for any long term relationship of any kind. It's truly sad how a some of these sisters think. They seem desperate. And it seems like their approach to relationship is like prepping for a beauty pageant in order to purchase a hi-end car.

  • Happyness | July 21, 2012 5:31 PM

    Yeah, I’m chuckling as well, but I don’t think that all BW that date IR fall into this category. And I don't imagine that many men of any race fantasize about MARRYING. I think that's mostly a chick thing. I do know plenty of black, white and Latino men who just want to hit and run. Dragging a man to the alter and convincing him to stop fooling around can be a challenge for many marriage oriented women for whom man-sharing is not an option. Maybe it's just where I live, but WM and LM seem to date and initiate relationships with BW at almost the same rate as BM do. I mean what are the million or more (2010 census calculations) unmatched BW supposed to do while a lot of BM have no qualms about dating or marrying whoever they want...dilemmas, dilemmas.

  • jay | July 21, 2012 5:20 PM

    Tell that to Robin Thicke.

  • Lydia | July 21, 2012 12:35 PMReply

    I'm intrigued. Looking forward to seeing what they do with this material.

  • Rose Red | July 21, 2012 10:53 PM

    Yes, don't listen to these dumb hypocrites same fools supporting Kanye with Kim!! BP support BM swirling and not BW so that makes them hypocrites!!

  • Miles Ellison | July 21, 2012 7:09 PM

    It probably won't be anything intelligent. And if by some miracle they manage to make a movie that isn't stupid, stereotypical, or worse, there won't be an audience for it.

  • Jamie | July 21, 2012 12:15 PMReply

    Wow. Alot of negative reactions on this thread. I guess black folks ain't ready for this. #sadness

  • tammy | July 22, 2012 10:04 AM

    Ummm . . . "alot" is not a word. #Education_Sadness

  • Wait | July 21, 2012 12:47 PM

    Please. These idiots hardly represent all black folk.

  • LeonRaymond | July 21, 2012 11:07 AMReply

    When I was very young growing up, I was taught it was a NO-NO, as I got a little older, I kinda saw it could be a NO-NO and now that I way way older, I see it's okay for some of a lot of other folk, but for me having experienced it, I have to say it's a NO-NO!

  • SHEBABABY | July 21, 2012 12:11 AMReply

    Who's the audience for this?

  • justsaying | July 21, 2012 4:05 PM

    But who's the audience for this is a GREAT question!! I believe some filmmakers don't even consider the audience until after it's completed. And unless you are in this to make movies for yourself, that question should be one of the first things you ask yourself as you're writing the treatment or outline etc.

  • justsaying | July 21, 2012 4:01 PM

    You just dont get **some** black filmmakers. There are many filmmakers I'm sure that are working on things that are totally new and creative. Keep searching...some will get it right, and some won't. Everyone will not be on point. I think that's a given.

  • ShebaBaby | July 21, 2012 1:41 PM

    I just don't get black filmmakers. I mean why would you go after the same audience for "Something New," a film that failed at the box office rather than shoot for something like a "Ted" or "Magic Mike" or something that had super success at the theaters. Actually why not do something totally new and creative? I swear it just seems like black folks these days are all about following the trends instead of creating them. After all of the major contributions to entertainment we've done over the last several decades, you'd think we'd get this movie thing right instead of remaining stuck in the shadows.

  • Nadia | July 21, 2012 12:36 PM

    Tambay mentioned Something New which is the best recent comparison we have. But that film didn't do very well even though it was actually a decent movie. But maybe black folks weren't interested to see that. Maybe they will be now. All depends on how they handle it.

  • FilmGuy | July 21, 2012 3:56 AM

    @shebababy....that's a very good question. It seems like it would be the handful of black women that might be curious but cautious about interracial dating. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I'd bet it's not enough to sell out 3,000 screens. Interesting book subject, but it doesn't seem like the producers have thought through who'd actually go see this.

  • NO BRAINER | July 21, 2012 12:02 AMReply

    Oh God. Here we go... (rolling my eyes)

  • AccidentalVisitor | July 20, 2012 11:58 PMReply

    I apologize for all the typos.

  • Jamie | July 20, 2012 10:12 PMReply

    I've almost finished with the book and in my humble opinion, I respectfully disagree with Laura's post about the book encouraging some sort of "movement" or "BWE" if you will. If you read the book, it’s simply an informative guide about how to date inter-racially. It's that simple. It's not preachy, judgmental, or disrespectful to our black brothas. Both authors encourage women to date within as well as outside their race. The main point is this---swirling simply gives Black women (and all women for that matter) the option to go deeper into the dating pool. It gets pretty darn shallow when you commit yourself to dating one race. I'll be honest---I am Black and I have dated mostly White guys, and after reading the book, I feel encouraged to date Asian, Hispanic, and African men. Not necessarily just African-American men. I'm thrilled this movie is coming out and it’s about time that we see movies with Black people that is cutting edge and different. Not the same old washed up manufactured stories of the past that are regurgitated and cut up onto celluloid for 120 minutes. It's time to be more innovative in Hollywood and start thinking outside of the box. As the biblical scriptural text states---let's not be conformed by the patterns of this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds. I hope to see more projects like this in the future. Keep up the good work Black Hollywood!

  • CareyCarey | July 21, 2012 11:27 PM

    I am having a BIG PROBLEM with your comment, Jamie. I'd like to take it at face value and wish you well in your dating life, however, it's not passing the smell test. First, you say you primarily date white guys (Question: when did that start and why?), but now after reading the book you're now "encouraged" to date Asian, Hispanic, and African men. So how does that work? You're already dating outside your race, so this book made it "okay" or acceptable (in your mind) to date the aforementioned races... NOT NECESSARILY JUST AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN!? Can you see or understand why your comment rings of disingenuousness? If not, lets go a little deeper (sarcasm). You said, " it's about time that we see movies with Black people that is cutting edge and different. Not the same old washed up manufactured stories of the past that are regurgitated and cut up onto celluloid...". Now again, lets go into your mind to see how that works for you. I don't know what black movies you've seen, nor the movies you're referring to, but to imply that "Swirl" will be something new; cutting edge and distinctly-different, begs the questions - how so and how do you know that? Surely you haven't come to that conclusion simply b/c the main topic is IR dating? I am suggesting that defining a film as "cutting edge" and "different" (imo) can only be determined/expressed by viewing the final product, not simply b/c of it's genre. Lastly, I've always believed it's unwise to take scripture out of its context, in an effort to justify or rationalize one's opinion -- especially on an "art" blog (if you know what I mean). But since you went there, you should know that some black folks are well versed on the Bible. Romans 12:2 -- "and be not conformed to this world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may discern what is the will of God -- what is good and acceptable and perfect". Now Miss Jamie, how does that -- complete -- scripture apply to the book in question and the movie "Swirl"?

  • Laura | July 21, 2012 12:44 AM

    You are correct, I have not read the book. But come to think of it. I read her blog. Kristelyn D. Karazin. As far as I'm concern her BWE blog is very hateful towards Black women. To me she is the worst of the BWE bloggers. The infighting between BWE bloggers, Muslim Bushido, What about our daughters, Black women deserve better, Evia etc. IT'S CRAZY. Yeah will not be supporting her crap. That's my humble opinion. But, Jamie, if you got something positive out of it, I am glad for you.

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