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Steve McQueen's "Shame": New Film Stills with Nicole Beharie + First Reviews From Venice Film Fest!

by Vanessa Martinez
September 4, 2011 12:30 PM
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A trailer has not yet been released, but here are some new stills of Steve McQueen's Shame (courtesy of cinezapping.com) with Nicole Beharie, who plays Marianne, the love interest of sex-addict Brandon, played by Michael Fassbender. The film also stars Carey Mulligan in the role of Sissy, Brandon's mentally unstable sister that pays him a visit, further driving Brandon into his unhealthy sexual compulsions.

The film was received by a long ovation upon its screening at Venice Film Festival this morning, according to this Italian Yahoo site. Timeout.com gives the film 4/5 stars:
"After ‘Hunger’, McQueen has immersed himself in a wholly different world and made a film that is similarly distinctive and exploratory and grasps you from beginning to end. He has also succeeded in making a film about an extreme character that doesn’t feel so divorced from everyday sexual desire and behaviour. You imagine McQueen feels there’s a lot of many – or all – of us in Brandon, even if his troubles feel quite uniquely tragic in the moment."

Timeout.com also says this of Nicole Beharie's character:
"The other telling foil for Brandon is a work colleague, Marianne (Nicole Beharie, a warm, tender presence), with whom he goes out on a dinner date. Brandon soon explains his bafflement at marriage and any sort of coupling and their relationship stalls when they reach the bed. Before then, the pair share a strong, comic and easy scene in a restaurant as they negotiate dinner while an over-attentive waiter buzzes around them."

The Guardian.co.uk also gives the film 4/5 stars:
"Shame feels less formal, less rooted in the language of the art installation than McQueen's previous film, Hunger, and is all the more satisfying for that. This is fluid, rigorous, serious cinema; the best kind of adult movie."

Whatculture.com says:
Brandon is a man that struggles, he is a good man with a problem, even though he doesn’t think it is an issue. Steve McQueen is also an accomplished visual artist and that it is clear by watching Shame; he knows where to place the camera for the best result. Overall the film is a very good drama, with good acting and good storytelling, but sometimes it all becomes too much and we would want to watch somebody else’s life for a while, before going back to Brandon’s path through himself as he tries to change the direction in which his life is going.

The Playlist had some reservations about the script, but here's what they had to say about the film overall:
"The film is a powerful, beautifully acted sophomore film, and more than ever, we’ll be watching what McQueen does next like a hawk. [A-]"
Of Beharie's performance:
"..relative newcomer Nicole Beharie is a real find, painting a vivid, warm picture with only a few scenes, and should go on to bigger and better things from here on out."

There's already some Oscar buzz surrounding the performances of Michael Fassbender and Carey Mulligan.

Very exciting! I hope the film acquires distribution after making its rounds at the festivals this month. I have a good feeling it will, and perhaps even be released late this fall, hopefully.

Shame will also be featured this month at the Telluride, Toronto and New York Film Festivals. Tambay will attend the screening at the New York Film Festival in early October and will post his review after.




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52 Comments

  • CareyCarey | September 8, 2011 7:58 AMReply

    “It is a sad commentary on our society today, where we can only relate with each other superficially”

    Yes Clayton, I believe you’ve uncovered the optimum word “superficial”. I believe Bondgirl used the word “hypocrites” in trying to describe those who seem to have a distinctly different walk from their talk. However, although I agree with the word and how BondGirl used it, when describing society as a whole, I believe superficial may be more appropriate across the board, You know, drive by with a comment - throw it on a board - and keep on pushing. So here we have movies like The Help, Tyler Perry’s Films and Shame. Now Shame has one black character in it- for a short period, and it’s fighting a NC 17 rating for explicit deviate sexual content, among other graphic details, okay. Which of the above movies have drawn the most heat? Hint: It’s not Shame, why? Hypocrites? Superficial society?

    So I agree, the argument were very valid, but many run from discussions that require more that a scratch and sniff.

    Look out now... supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

    Pleasure's the motivation for the human race
    Everything starts and ends with sex and appeal
    Feeling good is the bait, Satan uses to fish for you and me
    Comfort is the poison when it's the spirit he wants to kill
    There's a tidal wave of mysticism ~ Funkadelics

  • Clayton | September 8, 2011 5:22 AMReply

    @ CareyCarey...
    Want a film about black people, please join the Facebook page for my first feature, Pro-Black Sheep. It'll be coming to DVD real soon.

    By the way, both you and @ Bondgirl are making some valid points. Makes you wonder.


    @ BondGirl

    your comment here:
    "It’s a class issue they had a problem with…one black girl told me she can’t “relate” to Viola bc she went to high school in the O.C! Bitch, that was 20 yrs ago…you’re 40!"

    The realest thing I read on any of these blogs ever. Its as if we forgot or don't know how to relate with people on a human level. It is a sad commentary on our society today, where we can only relate with each other superficially. I'm not a big fan of The Help, but my issues lie with execution of the story mostly, not the character's lifestyle, choices, etc. Whatever happened to relating or should I say connecting (people use the word 'relate' inappropriately to film characters too often) with a character through their trial and tribulations, recognizing the things that victimize them, their humanistic traits, and the things we can admire about them...like Viola's strength. We as a people lost our way when we can recognize such virtues in each other. But that is how I connect with characters. I don't care if they live in a high rise penthouse or a swamp shack.

    And @ Bondgirl, having said this:
    "We will have to agree to disagree. If I had to choose between 2 black directors…1 whose first film didn’t employ ANY blacks (cast OR crew) and isn’t even American or 1 whose last 15 films employed more blacks actors & production crew than any other production comp, whose films make the whites as “supporting/day players” and the black as 1st lead….I’m supporting the American. But that’s just me."

    I'm sure I can expect your support as well... Lol.

    Please join us on Pro-Black Sheep the movie Facebook page. Thank you.

  • Alexandria | September 7, 2011 1:47 AMReply

    *and NOT place... sorry big error

  • Boron the Negromancer | September 6, 2011 8:21 AMReply

    I love the hate being spewed around here! It is quite marvelous! Ha ha ha!

  • Alexandria | September 6, 2011 6:01 AMReply

    @Bondgirl Thanks for the clear up! It's kind of strange that these two characters are being compared. But I guess that's what happens when there's such a lack of diversity in movies. There's very little people of color featured in movies these day so people assume the characters who are of color are meant to represent a large group of people. I hope this trend changes, and the only way it will change is if moviemakers from different backgrounds (ethnic, religious, gender, social, sexuality ect.) can have their works supported and exposed to mainstream media. Then we'll be able to judge character's based their portrayal and place the weight of representing whole group of people on their shoulders.

  • CareyCarey | September 6, 2011 3:52 AMReply

    "And we shouldn’t call Brandon a whore, right…we should call him “the white savior”. Because according to the critics of The Help on this post, Fassbender’s character has to save the single parent wretch by the mere fact that he was nice to her, asked her out, etc etc."

    C'mon BondGirl, you're killing them up in here. Be nice, give them a chance to tap the mat and cry uncle. Have a little mercy on their souls. Some people are constitutionally incapable of accepting the truth.

  • blaqbird | September 6, 2011 2:53 AMReply

    Damn I missed all the fun! Money was calling me so I had to work today.

    As much as I've enjoyed this rousing discussion, I see it has slowly come to a close, but I'll still throw in my two cents.

    I remember watching Hunger in a small artsy theater in my hometown a couple of years ago, and something about it just really stuck with me. I wanted to know more about the director, Steve McQueen, and he's been on my radar ever since. That's why I want to see the movie. This whole argument about Beharie being a whore and blah blah blah, I'll just have to take Alexandria's side on it.

    I am, however, disappointed that Beharie doesn't have a larger role, but whaddya do huh? Guess I'll just check it out when it comes to L.A.

  • BondGirl | September 6, 2011 2:52 AMReply

    "I remember watching Hunger in a small artsy theater in my hometown a couple of years ago, and something about it just really stuck with me."

    @blaqbird: Agreed! Ironic, since that's exactly where this film's going to be shown; in a small artsy theatre (if that) or IFC or Showtime. If it even finds a distributor who isn't turned off by the graphic sex scenes. The good news is that since it won't enjoy mainstream success like The Help, there will be few debates like these 'round the country. Bad news is it makes McQueen's street cred in Hwood harder to come by.

    @Alexandria: Most of the debate centers on comments from another post...that's why you may not understand. Short version: There are those who have a problem with Viola Davis' role being less uplifting to blacks but herald Beharie's role as wonderful. The debate is dissecting whether that is indeed true.


    @CareyCarey: I'm just glad you're cognizant of the double talk and didn't try to make it into something else like others.

    And we shouldn't call Brandon a whore, right...we should call him "the white savior". Because according to the critics of The Help on this post, Fassbender's character has to save the single parent wretch by the mere fact that he was nice to her, asked her out, etc etc.

  • Alexandria | September 6, 2011 2:20 AMReply

    I'm confused about the debate that's going on here. Why must every black woman in a movie represent of all of the black women in society? And why are people calling Nicole Behare's character a whore? The character is in a relationship with the lead and they happen to have sex. I think she has one sex scene. Fassbender's character is the one who sleeps with prostitutes and masterbates at work. Those who see the movie are going to be seeing his nude body more than any other characters'. If anyone is a whore in this movie, it's Brandon.
    And, I just want to put this out there, Nicole's character had no specific intended race in the script.

  • Mecca | September 5, 2011 9:49 AMReply

    Thanks for the offer Nikyatu but I already have the script now.

    @ BondGirl

    I said, I wasn't going to reply to your ridiculous comments. But you leave me no choice.

    You mentioned “aristocracy” and “insipid blog” and “peasants”, but not how Beharie’s character arc represents black women better than Viola’s …oh well, you make my point by not answering actually.

    Huh? I have not seen Steve McQueen's "Shame" yet. I am awaiting to see his sophomore film. I don't see why I should address anything to you.

  • JMac | September 5, 2011 9:01 AMReply

    Damn, this post blew up.

    We can lodge criticisms or congratulations at the film but let's not attack the messenger.

    Carey, you knew a black guy was behind Shame. Stop frontin'. :D Even had the little exchange about comparing this guy to rap videos and the gay black guy director who did that Halle Berry movie. Brain freeze. Too lazy to look him up and can't remember name of the film. Stupid Labor Day.

    Agree with the Nicole Beharie as Carrie Bradshaw angle. Otherwise this would be the DSK case w/o the rape allegation. Same thing with the other film about black chick and the German businessman (was that Nicole again?). Whichever white European male came up with the concept of women having brief flings with strangers = romance should be shot. Always thought white women were silly for buying into the 'elegant affair' bs but some black chicks have fallen for it too.

    I could never really get into Sex in the City but funny the first episode I ever saw was the one with Carrie having a fling with the handsome Italian architect. Seemed so posh and sophisticated but then she ended up in a fancy hotel room alone with cash lying on the side table. Oh, and handsome Italian architect was married. What's the difference between hiring a whore or engaging in a 'romantic fling"? Cash on the side table and a cheaper hotel room.

    Difference between a whore and an actor? I'll keep that to myself. At least Michelle O is on the cover of Essence this month. I may break my boycott and buy it.

  • BondGirl | September 5, 2011 8:33 AMReply

    @Mecca: Re-read your comments regarding The Help, THEN all of CareyCarey's comments on this post or take a reading comprehension course...I can't help you.

    http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/archives/actor_wendell_pierce_isnt_exactly_thrilled_with_the_help

    And let's not talk in absolutes, I don't have a problem with everyone....just those who criticized supporters of Viola & Octavia while licking Fassbender's boots. I loathe hypocrites. I'm on this site for the same reason I carry a U.S. passport...bc I'm an American. I don't owe you an explanation beyond that. Although, I love that you managed to address everything I said that has nothing to do with my comments toward you. You mentioned "aristocracy" and "insipid blog" and "peasants", but not how Beharie's character arc represents black women better than Viola's...oh well, you make my point by not answering actually.

  • Ms.Stone | September 5, 2011 7:23 AMReply

    I am incredibly excited to see "Shame." Steve McQueen's "Hunger" is absolutely a brilliant piece of art. He is thoughtful and a visual master, and I look forward to seeing what he has done with his latest film.

  • Nikyatu | September 5, 2011 7:14 AMReply

    Mecca if you want a copy email me: films@nikyatu. I'm not even going to begin to address the vitriol being tossed around in here.

  • Mecca | September 5, 2011 6:13 AMReply

    If Beharie were a nanny or this movie was about Wesley Snipes & Lindsey Lohan in a relationship, noneya would be saying “Oh I can’t wait to see it at NYFF!”, ESPECIALLY Mecca”
    Bondgirl,
    What is your problem? It seems like you have an issue w/ everyone. I have not made a single comment on this post and you just had to draw my name into this discussion. I would like to know why you are visiting an “insipid” blog like shadow and act dropping your “aristocratic” crap on folks who have been following this blog from the beginning. Many of the ppl you are dismissing are writers, filmmakers, producers, critics, bloggers, filmgoers, etc. So, what makes you better than the creators and the people who visit this blog? We already know your “aristocratic” background and you claim to know Michael Fassbender personally. I would like to know why you are on s&a with the rest of the ``peasants``. Oh, and for your information I am excited to see Shame because I am a fan of Steve Mcqueen and I love films that have outstanding cinematography.
    I am not going to stoop to your childish behaviour. So...I won`t make any further comments.

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 6:07 AMReply

    BondGirl,

    I felt you. I didn’t know you were from New York, but when you came with “one black girl told me she can’t “relate” to Viola bc she went to high school in the O.C! Bitch, that was 20 yrs ago…you’re 40!” I knew you had a little thump in your trunk, and was nobody to take lightly. I felt your thang when you were wrestling with mecca and the girls. I knew you were not anybody to mess with.

    But I did get a kick out of you and Tambay’s little tit for tat. Tambay generally does not get involved in little “skirmishes” but when he does - as you can see - he holds his own. However, today I honestly believe you jumped the gun. I thought his first entry was designed as sort of a “break in the action” to cool the stream. But then again, you probably knew that, but as you said, you’re a snarky kind of women and therefore couldn’t resist doing your NY’er thang - huh. And you did take a cheap shot at my girl Vanessa.

    Anyway, it’s been one. I’ve enjoy the convo, and look, if you’re really all that you say you are, you know, rich and beautiful, a brotha could use a few dollars. And I love New York City! But I better not tell you what I was doing the last time I was on 125th between Amsterdam & Broadway.

    Oh, and don’t do it. I mean, don’t feel badly for Nicole if she gets booked for Django Unchained. Don’t even go there, b/c mecca is still around and she might do the exorcist head on us. *lol*

    But you know I got your back, if you need me.

  • BondGirl | September 5, 2011 5:22 AMReply

    careycarey,

    We already discussed the film. The critics of The Help were stating how much they can't wait to see Fassbender have a threesome, yada yada....

    I've seen day players with more dialogue than Nicole has, so don't get too excited about the "supporting role". However, I'm in it for the director and male lead only (as I've said for now the 3rd time) but feel badly for Nicole if she gets booked for Django Unchained. Could get ugly up in here. Btw, snarky is what I do best...I'm a NY'er after all. It has nothing to do with emotion. I order my eggs every am the same way.

    @A: We will have to agree to disagree. If I had to choose between 2 black directors...1 whose first film didn't employ ANY blacks (cast OR crew) and isn't even American or 1 whose last 15 films employed more blacks actors & production crew than any other production comp, whose films make the whites as "supporting/day players" and the black as 1st lead....I'm supporting the American. But that's just me.

    You and Mecca (and others) can drool over McQueen, Fassbender et al while spewing vitriol towards Viola, but she will exact her revenge like Cataleyna on Oscar night against the Afristocracy, while Nicole is struggling to get an audition with Spielberg based off her "performance" in Shame. Anyone who thinks Nicole is an It-Girl is delusional...she better get in line behind Zoe Saldana.

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 4:45 AMReply

    Tambay, I swear, I did not know the man was black. And you're right, I've read all the posts you mentioned but for some strange reason it never accurred to me that Steve McQueen was a black man. In fact, I believe just yesterday you posted a picture of a black dude along with another post on Shame, and my dumb ass looked at the dude and wondered who he was. And I don't believe I've seen “Hunger,” (won't be able to say that in a few days - though)

    NOw don't laugh, but when I first heard the name Steve McQueen, I thought of that 60's white dude Steve McQueen of Bulliit and Papillon fame, I kid you not! Yeah, I know, that dude has been dead since the 1980's.

    Damn man, I needed the Ed Lover pimp slap. But Tambay, you know what, I'm off to google the crap out of the black Steve McQueen. Yawl are not gonna catch me with my pants down - that far - again.

    Now, lets talk about the movie Shame which, btw, is directed by a brotha and has a fine sistah in a supporting role. *smile*

  • tambay | September 5, 2011 3:46 AMReply

    @ Carey - You said: " And I have to admit that I didn’t even know the director was a black gentleman. See, I’ve learned something through this exchange..."

    Come on now Carey. You insult with that comment. Really? You didn't know Steve McQueen, the director of "Shame," was black? Seriously? I say you insult me in jest, but really, we've talked about him quite a lot on this site, and not only for "Shame." So, either we're not doing our job, or someone hasn't been paying attention. I'ma lean towards the latter...

    He's directing Chiwetel Ejiofor in the Fela biopic which we've been talking about for a good year or more; and, most recently, we announced that he's attached to direct Chiwetel in another project based on the slave narrative "12 Years A Slave."

    We've even put pictures up of the man in almost every post about him, if only to make sure folks know who we're talking about and what he looks like. So, yes, of course he's a black man. We wouldn't have been talking about him as much as we have since his debut film "Hunger," if he wasn't.

    Baah! As Ed Lover would say, c'mon son...

  • BondGirl | September 5, 2011 3:35 AMReply

    @CareyCarey: Apology accepted my friend.

    Tact is the art of making a point without making an enemy. You do that well.

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 3:27 AMReply

    @ "A"

    I appreciate your candor.

    I don’t think anyone was attacking Shadow & Act, well at least I wasn’t. They are waaaay cool with me. I believe BondGirl called the shot when she said “The topic at hand (if you’re even interested) was whether Beharie’s role is uplifting or degrading AND if it is moreso than Viola’s role”.

    That was it for me. And, although I wouldn’t watch the movie for any of the reasons you presented, you did a nice job of supporting your interest in the film. And I have to admit that I didn’t even know the director was a black gentleman. See, I’ve learned something through this exchange, and like Tambay said, it’s been fun... especially when one does not let their emotions control them. But it did get a little heated, especially after BondGirl misinterpreted Tambay's sarcasm.

    But look, on a side note, me and you are going to have a bone to pick if you continue along this path... “I have no interest in ever seeing - like Tyler Perry movies or The Help or anything starring Gabroury Sidbe” .

    Now c’mon Mr. A, you know you’re walking on sared ground *lol*. Seriously, you know I’m The Help negro up in here, and I support Tyler’s effort, and I loved Precious, Gabroury Sidbe and Monique. So watch it buddy, I don’t wanna have to cut you. *smile*

    Don’t tell me you have a thang against beautiful fat black women?

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 3:19 AMReply

    “Yeah, I’m smelling some big time hypocrisy from the Peanut Gallery aka The Afristocracy. If Beharie were a nanny or this movie was about Wesley Snipes & Lindsey Lohan in a relationship, noneya would be saying “Oh I can’t wait to see it at NYFF!”, ESPECIALLY Mecca” By BondGirl on September 4, 2011

    “If you read all my comments, I didn’t have a thing to say about this site until names were thrown my way. I specified who the afristocracy was (Mecca) ~ BondGirl


    I had to come back - one mo time - to tell BondGirl that I was wrong, I am sorry. After reading all the comments, I see that your claim is valid. It’s now obvious to me that you were not referring to the staff of S&A when you mentioned “afristocracy”. Well, I knew that from the jump b/c my own concerns were also directed at those who were championing Nicole’s role in this movie, yet found reasons to vehemently disparage Viola Davis & The Help. The comments were not directed at the writers of the posts.

    So, it appears as if there’s bits of misinformation and “fault” that fits in everyone’s pocket. Please accept my apology. ~ Carey

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 2:44 AMReply

    @ A, "We’re just talking about movies right?"

    That's right... there it is!

    .........................

    "Boy, you know I had to hit you where it hurts – the movies you love to defend!"

    Yeah, I heard you knocking, but I know you know, ain't no shame, nor fear, in my game when it comes to standing behind something I truely believe in. Besides, you don't want to spend your time jackin' with me, your hands are more than full with AccidentalVisitor and BondGirl.

    Accidental always comes with the real deal, and in that last "Help" post http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/archives/weekend_b.o._sept._2-4_people_sure_love_themselves_the_help/, he put you on major blast notice. So scoot along b/c you have some work to do :-)

  • BondGirl | September 5, 2011 2:33 AMReply

    @A: I agree it was unnecessary for The Help to get involved in our skirmish, which baffles me why it was done. If you read all my comments, I didn't have a thing to say about this site until names were thrown my way. I specified who the afristocracy was (Mecca) , but tambay for reasons unknown, forgot to take the blue pill and went on a blitzkrieg mission. Maybe he is Mecca??

    Ah well, always a pleasure ladies and gents...Same time tomorrow?

  • A | September 5, 2011 2:27 AMReply

    Oh my God - this is getting WAY out of hand. Why all the drama over this flick?

    CareyCarey, I'll answer your question - I want to see the movie because it looks beautifully shot, I love Nicole B in American violet, Mr. Fassbender in inglorious bastards, and I am riding for Mr. Mqueen, a serious black director making serious films. Cary Mulligan I am on the fence about (think she's slightly overhyped) but I'm willing to be proven wrong when I go see it – and I WILL be first in line to buy a ticket.

    I don’t know any of these people personally, I’m not one of the producers, I just want to support fellow artists. Damn!

    I appreciate this site providing info on this movie. Just like it does on various other movies – including some I have no interest in ever seeing - like Tyler Perry movies or The Help or anything starring Gabroury Sidbe. Everybody has different tastes I guess, that is what makes the world go round.

    Shadow and Act is doing a good job. What’s the problem? They can’t even cover the film because some people object to it? Just leave comments saying you hate the film. There’s no reason to go attack the Shadow and Act staff for bringing it up.

    They’re doing their job.

  • tambay | September 5, 2011 2:15 AMReply

    @BondGirl - I'm still laughing my ass off at you - one who apparently doesn't seem to understand sarcasm. Another proletariat trait. Your true colors continue to show.

    If this blog is soooo insipid, you really shouldn't be here. Or you don't realize that your presence here suggests that, as a commenter, and in essence a contributor to its "flava," you're just as insipid, or you contribute to its insipidness.

    I'm sure there are countless others on which you can disseminate your "insider" wisdom, for which you are apparently paid very well... I think the term you used was "big bucks." Well congrats to you! You're one of those "new money" types huh? I hope you're investing...

    I just looove how you evade my challenges, in response to all your comments.

    And actually, whether or not you've seen the film IS my business. You're on my blog leveling criticism against a work that few have actually seen, and that, from all you've said so far, you haven't seen either. All you've referenced is the script, which I told you I have read, months ago.

    *Sigh* I'm kicking myself for even getting into this silliness with you... sweetie. I'm learning absolutely nothing from this exchange, though it's been a little fun. So good luck with that next big budget studio film you're working on, whatever it is. Be sure to come back and read my review of "Shame" when I post it, after I see it at the NYFF in a few weeks.

    And you really should see it yourself; and then maybe we can actually have a useful conversation about it.

    Till then... talk less.

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 2:08 AMReply

    “If I had to choose between 2 black directors…1 whose first film didn’t employ ANY blacks (cast OR crew) and isn’t even American or 1 whose last 15 films employed more blacks actors & production crew than any other production comp, whose films make the whites as “supporting/day players” and the black as 1st lead...” ~BondGirl

    “while Nicole is struggling to get an audition with Spielberg based off her “performance” in Shame. Anyone who thinks Nicole is an It-Girl is delusional…she better get in line behind Zoe Saldana” ~ BondGirl

    “I’ve seen day players with more dialogue than Nicole has, so don’t get too excited about the “supporting role”. ~BondGirl

    i absolutely loved Hunger and its nice to see Fassbender re-unite with McQueen. sex in film is a tricky topic and it’ll be interesting to see how they address it
    By dennycrane on September 4, 2011

    There’s something about Fassbender - an intensity that you don’t see in many of the bland leading men of today. Happiest for Steve Mcqueen - he deserves this.
    By A on September 4, 2011

    Can’t wait to see this movie. As well as Michael and Nicole’s chemistry because I know its going to be great!!
    By WitheredRose on September 4, 2011

    Okay, after a day of pokes and jokes, hits & misses, I gotta bring this home. First, personally, I find little interest in films with sex themes. Nope-Notta, they can save them for all I care. Seriously, I adore love stories but hold the naked ass. Now, don’t take that wrong b/c I “was” in the “sex” game, but sex on screen does not enhance the movie for me. But I certainly understand how it might give others a sense of satisfaction.

    So, from the jump I had an aversion for this film, and Fassbender can’t draw me to a fish fry. So now I have to address BondGirl’s mention of Nicole and her limited role. First, I have to agree that Nicole has to get behind Zoe, and Nicole is not a dazzling beauty *ducking*. Seriously, she’s an average looking chick. Some may want her to be all that, but I have to put on my Simon Cowell judge’s shoes and be brutally honest, she’s alright and her acting resume is not one that tells me she’s the next “it” anything girl.

    Now we have her with “day player” dialog.

    “first film didn’t employ ANY blacks (cast OR crew) and isn’t even American or 1 whose last 15 films employed more blacks actors & production crew than any other production comp” Who-what-when-????

  • BondGirl | September 5, 2011 1:53 AMReply

    Tambay: Warren Buffett is never going to refer to himself as an aristocrat. Bill Cosby is NEVER going to refer to himself as an Afristocrat. I will NEVER refer to myself as an Afristocrat. See the difference or am I going to fast for you?? You are a poser...moving on.

    Considering I'm actually in the business and know Fassbender personally, whether or not I've seen the movie, ain't ya business. I'm not choosing to discuss what I DO know on some insipid blog, that's for sure.

    The topic at hand (if you're even interested) was whether Beharie's role is uplifting or degrading AND if it is moreso than Viola's role. Stick to writing articles, and let those of us who get the big bucks for making studio films do the heavy lifting sweetie.

  • CareyCarey | September 5, 2011 1:40 AMReply

    BlondGirl = typo, should read BondGirl.

    sorry, didn't catch it until it was brought to my attention. And Tambay is doing a great job of running defence on this film, but I am still waiting for others to explain why they are so thrilled about it's upcoming release. Seriously, although I've been somewhat facetious about the whole thing, I really want someone to defend all the hype. I just don't get it!

    I mean, I sort of hear what BondGirl is saying, and agree, (something about associating), connecting - (someone or something) with something else in one's mind, which makes them feel good, even it's it's not real, but I want to hear it from the mouth of one of the women who's eagerly awaiting this film. What's the joy?

    Orville may have gone a little left, but I beleive he was on the right track.

  • tambay | September 5, 2011 1:37 AMReply

    @BondGirl - "Boom!" Is that some kind of proletariat expression those of us in the "Afristocracy" aren't familiar with?

    Sorry my dear, but you are the one that began with the labels; I'm just doing the math. So you're now telling me that I was wrong and that you are indeed one of us? You are in the "Afristocracy?" You, with your high-tax-bracket self? Ahh, so the truth reveals itself, finally. A self-hating "Afristocrat."

    And clearly you're new here because I HAVE read the script, and I DID review it, a good 4 or so months ago. And as I already told my man Orville, until you've actually SEEN the film, you ain't got shit to say about it.

    So, I strongly suggest that you wait and watch it, and then come back with your analysis.

    You're not showing characteristics of an Afristocrat BondGirl; so maybe you aren't one of us after all. In fact, you're continuously proving to me that you are the opposite. The lumpen-proletariat are prone to knee-jerk, thoughtless reactions, acting almost solely on emotion, with little consideration for logic.

  • BondGirl | September 5, 2011 1:23 AMReply

    @Orville: Shadow & Act make a big deal about Beharie bc ppl like Vanessa Martinez epitomize the modern buppie girl's fantasy....the black girl's Sex & the City. I thought I said this already...

    @tambay: You gotta get yourself some help, man. You DON’T have to live like that. Just 50mg a day will regulate you. Btw, I possess the same psychic abilities you do to see that I'm a proletariat....BOOM!

    And if you WERE an Afristocrat (I never referred to you as such, you're a POSER), you'd have a copy of the script NOW and know that Beharie IS Fassbender's skank. Ah well, you can pay like the rest of the peasants and see it in 2 weeks LOL

  • Vanessa Martinez | September 5, 2011 1:10 AMReply

    I'm sorry, I meant "Afristocratic" family. DUH! smh

  • A | September 5, 2011 1:09 AMReply

    @CareyCarey –

    Boy, you know I had to hit you where it hurts – the movies you love to defend! ☺ No, seriously I’m sorry, I read back over that comment and it looks like it everything I was saying was directed only at you. I meant the commentaters who were going after Tambay and Ms. Martinez and whoever else who works at this site. It’s different from us yelling at each other, it seems unnecessary and unfair.

    We’re just talking about movies right?

    I really appreciate the service this site is providing, and I know you do too. ☺ I recommend S&A to everyone I know; we can’t get this information anywhere else.

    Nobody is forcing us to come on here, after all.

  • Vanessa Martinez | September 5, 2011 1:01 AMReply

    Congrats Tambay! Maybe you and Nicole can start an Afristocrat family. :D

  • tambay | September 4, 2011 12:46 PMReply

    @Orville - Alright I'll come clean... I should make it known now that I'm dating Nicole Beharie. Yes, that's it. That's why she gets so much coverage on S&A. That's why the coverage of SHAME has been so "extreme" as you put it.

    And you know the character she plays is "the stereotypical black whore" because, like BondGirl, you're psychic too? Or is it that you've seen the film secretly, even though it hasn't even been released yet?

    Well then, if either is the case, by all means, please give us a review of it...

  • tambay | September 4, 2011 12:39 PMReply

    @BondGirl - or should I call you "Sweetie" or was it "Sweetie pie." I'm laughing my "Afristocratic" ass off at your silliness. And you know what tax bracket I am in because... you're psychic? Or is it some talent that only the lumpen-proletariat possess?

    Yeah, I believe I did respond to the comments, summing up, quite succinctly, the argument you, Carey and the others are having, albeit sarcastically. But it's all there. Look again.

  • Orville | September 4, 2011 12:35 PMReply

    I don't understand why Shadow and Act make such a big deal about Nicole Beharie? I understand a black British guy directed his movie but the hype on this blog for Shame is extreme. The movie is focused on a white male protagonist and Nicole Beharie's character is just the sex object the stereotypical black whore. Perhaps the people that run this blog know Nicole very well? I heard that Nicole's character is actually a small role not that big. I think Carey Mulligan has a bigger part in the movie yet this blog never talks about her role in Shame.

  • CareyCarey | September 4, 2011 11:18 AMReply

    “Don’t get why the story is so well received. I’ve been able to watch the same thing for years on Discovery Channel, BBC America, and TLC - w/o the exploitation and w/ education/prevention. Guess it’s not the same without the porn” JMac on September 4, 2011

    "Is it too late for the film to use The Weeknd’s “Wicked Game” as a song on the soundtrack? Sorry, I don’t support films just because they have black leads. They have to be good too. " By AccidentalVisitor on September 4, 2011

    “Yeah, I’m smelling some big time hypocrisy from the Peanut Gallery aka The Afristocracy” By BondGirl on September 4, 2011


    Stop it y’all, you’re killin’ em.

    But yes, there seems to be a little ah.. Afristocracy, moon walking, electric slidin', and faking and shaking going on up in here. I mean, if I am not mistaken, BlondGirl, aren’t some of the same voices of deep dissent (directed at The Help) up in here championing this movie? Yep, they went out of their way to try and beat you down, but now, they seem to have amnesia. Oh yeah, a bunch of black chicks were having a good ‘ol time calling you names. But now I am reminded of a popular movie, A Few Good Men [and sistahs]...

    Colonel Nathan R. Jessep (Jack Nicholson):
    "What do you want to discuss now. My favorite color?"
    Tom Cruise: “I want answers”

    Colonel Nathan R. Jessep (Jack Nicholson):
    "You want answers?"
    Lieutenant J.G. Daniel Kaffe (Tom Cruise) :
    "I want the truth."
    Colonel Nathan R. Jessep (Jack Nicholson) :
    "You can't handle the truth. My favorite color is black - sometimes - well - it depends on what movie we‘re talking about"

    Yeah JMac, BlondGirl & Accidential, some folks can’t handle the truth. But maybe they will come back and tell us what’s sooooo damn good about this movie? I mean, before The Help came out, they were all up in the house throwing stones at that movie. So I hope they let their conscious be their guide and tell us what we may be missing? But that damn "truth" thang sho do hurt - don't it?

  • tambay | September 4, 2011 11:10 AMReply

    I believe I speak for the rest of the "Afristocracy" (I believe is the term used) when I say that we love hearing from the proletariat... or is it the lumpen-proletariat... who keep us connected to what Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin have referred to as "real America."

    I mean, not everyone is privileged enough to experience and enjoy the spoils that we in the elite, ruling class are swimming in daily. And that's unfortunate, because, I gotta tell ya folks, the view from up here is spectacular! :)

    Though, like Marx and Engels, maybe you'll be inspired to pen your own manifesto and dare I say, start a revolution!

  • JMac | September 4, 2011 10:31 AMReply

    "I’m gonna have the white girl stand up and I’m gonna start spankin’ her naked ass right in the middle of the theater."

    You know you can't do that. White women are princesses who should only be manhandled by white men. You're just asking to get lynched.

    I can't wait for this movie to come out.... then go away. Don't get why the story is so well received. I've been able to watch the same thing for years on Discovery Channel, BBC America, and TLC - w/o the exploitation and w/ education/prevention. Guess it's not the same without the porn.

  • AccidentalVisitor | September 4, 2011 9:45 AMReply

    Is it too late for the film to use The Weeknd's "Wicked Game" as a song on the soundtrack?

  • CareyCarey | September 4, 2011 9:45 AMReply

    JMac and the rest of my black BFF's can I get an Amen? Something just ain't right in the ol'woodshed. :-(

  • BondGirl | September 4, 2011 9:41 AMReply

    LMAO@ CareyCarey's " I’d rather spend my money on a bag of frog spit." Oh God, tears came down my face for that one.

    Yeah, I'm smelling some big time hypocrisy from the Peanut Gallery aka The Afristocracy.

    If Beharie were a nanny or this movie was about Wesley Snipes & Lindsey Lohan in a relationship, noneya would be saying "Oh I can't wait to see it at NYFF!", ESPECIALLY Mecca.

  • CareyCarey | September 4, 2011 9:18 AMReply

    "Interesting how this is better received than The Help, considering there really isn’t a black lead (Beharie’s few lines don’t count)" By BondGirl on September 4, 2011

    UT OH! I see I am not the only one that sees a little monky business.

    ”..relative newcomer Nicole Beharie is a real find, painting a vivid, warm picture with only a few scenes,


    Yeah, Timeout.com said:

    “He has also succeeded in making a film about an extreme character that doesn’t feel so divorced from everyday sexual desire and behavior. You imagine McQueen feels there’s a lot of many – or all – of us in Brandon, even if his troubles feel quite uniquely tragic in the moment.”

    What? C’mon y’all, can we have a little fair play? I mean, loads of ink is spilled bashing Tyler Perry, but this film is given the green light? Why? Ms Beharie’s small part? Is it a “sex” film? Is it a date-flick-soft-skin-flick-white people-flick? It certainly is not a movie about black folks.

    But check this, The Gaurdian.co.uk. suggested that there’s another crowd waiting for this movie with baited breathe.... ““Shame feels less formal, less rooted in the language of the art installation than McQueen’s previous film, Hunger, and is all the more satisfying for that. This is fluid, rigorous, serious cinema; the best kind of adult movie.”

    Now wait a minute... what is this...? “less rooted in the language of art installation...?? and is more satisfying for that...? and this is a fluid, rigorous adult movie?!

    Now I’ll be goddamn, did The Gaurdian just give us a wine and cheese and French bread version of a skin flick, that all black folks can cheer about? Loooong and fluuuuid and hard and rigorous. An adult movie that’s less formal and will kill your Hunger, but be very satisfying? I wonder if Cigarette smoking will be allowed..

    But this Shame movie looks like it’s gonna be a good one. I’m gonna bust up in there with a white chick on my arm. That’s right, and the first time Nicole Beharie shows one piece of skin, I’m gonna have the white girl stand up and I’m gonna start spankin’ her naked ass right in the middle of the theater.

    C’mon now, if it’s good for Michael Fassbender (and all the black women oohing and ahhing over his ass) it damn sure gotta be good for me, right? I’d rather spend my money on a bag of frog spit.

    Everybody raise your hands in the air if you don’t think our leading black actresses are being exploited? Oh, that’s right, they are working and it’s furthering their careers... as long as they are not playing maids - right?

  • BondGirl | September 4, 2011 9:01 AMReply

    I know Fassbender intimately, and I'm so happy for his success! I'm excited to see this @ NYFF as McQueen is one of my favorite directors, and I look forward to seeing the script for 12 Years A Slave...I have a feeling it will be his masterpiece! Interesting how this is better received than The Help, considering there really isn't a black lead (Beharie's few lines don't count)

  • dennycrane | September 4, 2011 8:19 AMReply

    great to hear. i absolutely loved Hunger and its nice to see Fassbender re-unite with McQueen. sex in film is a tricky topic and it'll be interesting to see how they address it

  • A | September 4, 2011 7:17 AMReply

    Can't WAIT to see this. Wow - Nicole's name is really getting out there.

    And I agree with Nikyatu, there's something about Fassbender - an intensity that you don't see in many of the bland leading men of today. Happiest for Steve Mcqueen - he deserves this.

  • WitheredRose | September 4, 2011 7:10 AMReply

    Can't wait to see this movie. As well as Michael and Nicole's chemistry because I know its going to be great!!

  • Neziah | September 4, 2011 6:36 AMReply

    I loved the script, so reading these positive reviews makes me feel good. McQueen is becoming a force to be reckoned with, and he's aided by some great actors.

  • Mecca | September 4, 2011 4:55 AMReply

    Oh I can't wait to attend the screening @ TIFF!

    Nikyatu, you read the script already! I am so jealous I have been looking all over for it.

  • Kia | September 4, 2011 3:31 AMReply

    I'm looking forward to the screening in NY as well. Fassbender's character sounds complex and intrigued to see how how his interaction w/Nicole's char plays out.

  • Nikyatu | September 4, 2011 3:23 AMReply

    Yes. Yes. Yes. I thought the script was sparse but smart and Fassbender is mesmerizing to watch. Really looking forward to this one. Thank god for McQueen.

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