The Ongoing Trouble With 'Scandal' And Why It's Starting To Lose Me As A Viewer

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by Tanya Steele
October 5, 2012 1:06 PM
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Like you, I watched the first two episodes of Season Two of 'Scandal'. The production values are higher. The style of the show is handled much better. Olivia Pope, at least, in the first episode, felt stronger. She was making decisions and leading the charge.

Last night, however, the show started to lose me as a viewer. I am still rooting, 100%, for this show to succeed. However, in terms of Drama, it isn't delivered in a way that keeps my interest. Serial dramas have to unfold in a way that keeps you asking-"what will happen, next week?" Mainly, "how will the central character wrestle with their moral dilemma, next week?" Olivia's journey is already clear. But for interesting side storylines that may occur, I get it. And, that's the problem.

Mind you, there are enough elements, in the show, to keep an audience. The structural elements are there. However (and this is what I note in much film and television, of late), the essential element is not a part of the storyline. But, there is just enough there to keep an audience. People will stay tuned. And, that is the goal with every show, right? So, one could argue, the mission is accomplished. However, it will fall short in being a great show.

'Scandal', I repeat, has the ability to be a great show. I'm not kidding. Here is an opportunity for a show, with a black female lead, to go toe-to-toe with the best of them. And, understand, I want it to be that. I want Ms. Shonda Rhimes to have that. Especially, with the news that she is working with Ms. Issa Rae. A television show for Ms. Rae was a no-brainer to most of us. Thank goodness there is Ms. Rhimes, a black woman, in television, who could embrace and want to showcase her talent. Actually, Oprah should have snapped Ms. Rae up for OWN. Maybe she will. But, Oprah will receive a loving critique on another day. Today, it's about 'Scandal'.

The best dramas (think 'Sopranos') bring you into the commission of an act that creates the moral dilemma. Fans of 'The Sopranos' can recall the show where Tony takes his daughter to college and commits a murder. Yes, we know Tony is in the mob. But, the arresting thing about the show was that we were actually going to get to see him be mob. The beauty of 'The Sopranos' was the set-up. We are brought into his family life. We go off with him to visit a college with his daughter and we see his demon take center stage. Pure genius. From that moment, we were hooked. What will this man do, week after week? Will he get caught? Will he stop? Will his family find out? Will his conscience win? Does he have a conscience? Great dramas raise questions and keep the ball in the air until they are ready to release you. If you are watching 'Homeland', currently, the same thing is at play. Right now, that and 'Dexter' are the shows to study. (However, I do need to catch up on 'Boardwalk Empire'. And, I will give a nod to 'Luther', too. For network TV, 'The Good Wife' is strong.)

So, here it is. The main problem with 'Scandal' is that the commission of the act that creates the moral dilemma has already occurred outside of the show. Olivia Pope started the affair with the president before the show started. The viewers should have been allowed to experience that with her. The president, or the white house, could have been a client and we should have been drawn into the affair at the same time that Olivia was. The why's, the how's, her vulnerability, her weakness, the struggle. As an audience member, we needed that in order to be fully invested in her. One could argue that the "how'd we get here question ", is the show's hook? And, it will be delivered to us, at some point. The problem is, that can only be sustained for so long before it becomes an annoyance. Or viewers, like myself, stop caring.

Right now, we are being shown their connection but, it isn't attached to a history. As an audience, we need to be a part of the creation of her history. Otherwise, it becomes just short of a soap opera. High emotional moments without a strong connection to the decision that created the emotion. If you notice, as I stated as a need in my first critique, we are now being invited into Olivia's private moments. And, the show slows down the style for them. It is very deliberate and it works. They were (kind of) there in season one but, now, we see Olivia in the process of making a decision/struggling. Her emotions are (almost) taking center stage.

Although, I still feel she should be leading the charge. A power dynamic is set up when you make her lover the president of the United States. It will keep her in a weak position because he's running the world. Whatever she does, doesn't compare to that. And, is always, in reaction to that. Her power rests in his storyline. He has to call, secure, via a "private line". She has to wait and be on the receiving end of that. It is unfortunate that her private moments are with the president. If they were about her life, in another way, something that brings us into her life and provides a contrast, a butting up against her affair, the stakes would be more interesting. Right now, the stakes are minimal. Her job is not in jeopardy. The affair isn't interfering with her ability to do her job (although that seems to be on the horizon). The stakes must be raised. Her dilemma has to crash into her professional life and start to tear down walls. Again, look to 'The Sopranos', look to 'Homeland', look to 'Dexter' for illustration of this point.

The only way to fix this is to give Olivia a 'new' dilemma. Allow the audience to see her pivot from the affair to something else. Her power lies in rejecting the most powerful man in the United States, not being weak to him. But, the problem is, the show is already set up and in motion. Doing this would be too difficult. They made the decision to go with this presidential storyline, again. Which, by the way, I don't buy. I don't believe that that is the office of the presidency. It's just not convincing. The Sudan storyline was not believable. However, I appreciate the attempt. But, back to the issue at hand. Olivia has to have another issue that we, as an audience, can be invited into the initial experience of. Otherwise, they will have to go with flashbacks to the beginning of the affair.

The show will remain interesting and engaging. The color, the sound, the style. And, it floats around stakes, dilemmas and intrigue just enough for television. I am ecstatic that the show has a strong fan base. Ms. Rhimes is very good at keeping her fans happy. She has created a brand, in terms of, how she delivers the plot points of a show. And, I am anxious to see more from Ms. Rhimes as she marches on. ABC has given us our two black women entertainment powerhouses…something to think about. But, I want to see Ms. Rhimes bring her gifts to cable. Oh, yes, can't you imagine how fierce that would be!

**And, for the record, the suggestion, in my first critique, to place Olivia Pope outside of the country was just for one or two episodes. Some thought I meant for the entire Season. A build up towards the season finale, perhaps. That's all.**

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134 Comments

  • Annoyed | May 21, 2013 3:48 PMReply

    Why is this suddenly about color for goodness sake get over yourselves, its a drama, a man who has an instant connection with a very intelligent woman the minute he lays eyes on her, the minute she started walking towards him, he knew he was in trouble, why should this be about the color instead of the beauty, why not an extraordinary beautiful intelligent woman as equally, if not, more powerful than this man who knew, if she stayed to run his campaign, he won't be able to stay away from her, ever! That's why he wanted Cyrus to fire her......enjoy the freakin story. IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE NOT COLOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • NO BRAINER | April 25, 2013 11:34 AMReply

    Are we still talking about this show? It's weak, soap opera television that isn't nearly as thrilling and interesting as they want us to believe.

  • Unknown | April 25, 2013 10:47 AMReply

    By "supposedly" not making race and issue on tv drama's like Scandal, you're making race an issue. A successful, powerful, brilliant black person whose only kryptonite is a unavailable, morally inept white person with 10x more power and influence. Check and check. Not about race? My bad.

  • Unknown | April 25, 2013 10:46 AMReply

    By "supposedly" not making race and issue on tv drama's like Scandal, you're making race an issue. A successful, powerful, brilliant black person whose only kryptonite is a unavailable, morally inept white person with 10x more power and influence. Check and check. Not about race? My bad.

  • Sergio | April 13, 2013 8:19 AMReply

    Jesus Christ 128 comments so far! You know maybe I'm going to have to watch this damn show once to see what the hell all the fuss is about. Does it have any zombies in it?

  • Alan Katz | April 5, 2013 11:31 AMReply

    Sorry, but I don't get this article at all. There were at least two arcs, told in flashbacks that led the viewer through the beginning of the affair between Olivia and the President (as candidate). Isn't that exactly what the author is claiming as missing? In what alternate universe?

    As for me, Scandal is my No. 1 show on television. I am ticked that they keep inserting repeats in the middle of a building season - why do television programmers insist on destroying shows by pissing off their viewers? The Good Wife is never recorded successfully on my DVR because the Sunday schedule is so flexible that the show sometimes starts at 10:00, 10:15 or even (like last week), 10:30.

    I sincerely hope that the network keeps Scandal going and growing. Kerry Washington is a beautiful, brilliant actress and the supporting cast is one of the best that has ever appeared in a network series.

  • NotI | March 2, 2013 11:48 PMReply

    Reading your blog made me sad. I was sad because you failed to get the big picture. Olivia Pope is a brilliant, beautiful, polished woman. She is sexy because she is competent, confident, and capable. in Kerry Washington you have an actress with the ability to play a high class, well educated woman convincingly. Thank Shonda Rimes for creating a show that gives African American girls a role model who isn't't slapping five, dropping her ing's, or complianing about not being able to find a good "brotha." Olivia Pope can have any man she wants because she attracts rather than repels them. I, for one, am glad to see a strong black woman who doesn't have one foot still stuck in the ghetto. Don't waste time over-analyzing the show. Just watch and learn.

  • Cid | February 9, 2013 3:58 PMReply

    I am new to the show, but have seen all the first season and the second. My belief is that the main character in the show is the conspiracy and the effect it has on the Defiance 5. All the other people are caught up in the effects of that scandal. Do you really believe that this has NEVER happened in the history of the USA? You are fooling yourselves. The affair between Olivia and the President is window dressing. That she is a "fixer" and finially needs "fixing" herself is inevitable. She balances moral and amoral constantly. The character shows clearly the stress this causes in her life. In the beginning her work drives Olivia, but in the end her personal life is driving her. Also inevitably she falls apart. The scandal wins. Fitz is gone, Mellie is back , Silas is seen to be as duplicitous and dangerous, Vera confesses her sins..I don't believe another lover will rehap Olivia. I think her work will! I think that that is her true lover!

  • Jeri | February 9, 2013 2:34 PMReply

    I hope the show dies. It was NOT Shonda Rhimes idea to begin with. I have it on good authority that a movie script passed to the assistant of Keri Washington a few years ago (which the writer never heard back about) was used as the baseline story for SCANDAL. Seems odd to me that this script that featured two powerful woman and one man, a shooting, a hospital scene, intrigue and drama, was in the hands of the woman who is now the star of this show? And it was "created" just a year after that script was in Ms. Washington's possession? Do you believe in coincidence? If you do, you're a fool. The idea was stolen and because you cannot copyright ideas, voila! Another new show by Shonda Rhimes? Hardly.

    Wake up, America! Sad part is, the writer's film will likely never see the light of day because it'll be labeled a "copy" of the basis of the show they actually created. I hate it when writers are abused like this and NO ONE gets dealt with, but its OK because SCANDAL is gonna die soon because they've already killed the best parts of the show. And now maybe Ms. Rhimes can go and steal something else.

    No, SCANDAL doesn't impress me. What WOULD impress me is those folks coming clean and doing the right thing by contacting the writer and giving them their due.

    SMDH

  • Son of Kush | February 1, 2013 7:31 AMReply

    I haven't even watched the show, but always see people talking about it on Facebook. First off, once I saw that a Black women created the show, and that a Black woman would be starring in it, I already knew what the plan would be. The plan would be to make the Black woman powerful in the beginning of the show so that Black viewers would get hooked early on as they have. Then as the show goes on, the Black women would perhaps have an affair with an attractive European American man which would get the Caucasian viewers hooked on the show as they have. Then as the show continues on, the ultimate plan is to make the Black suspected powerful Black woman out to be nothing more than an intelligent high powered whore who sleeps around with any and everybody no matter what color they are. Mark my words, many of you (particularly Black folks) will be let down once again by this show in the future, just wait and see. How many times are we going to let Hollywood and the big studios trick us into believing that they are really going to portray Black Folks in a positive light on public television? Television (Tell Lies Visually) is nothing but an illusion; a lie, and if you're not careful, you'll be duped over and over again into believing that your getting good entertainment when your not. Just because a Black woman created the show doesn't mean that the show will be created showing this Black woman in a positive light. Some of you (Uncle & Auntie Toms Black Folks) have a lot of work to do when it comes to being proud of your race and ethnic heritage. Peace, Love, and Light..............Kush

  • CarlaLou | January 29, 2013 9:49 AMReply

    I love the show! I wish we could all just enjoy the show and stop with all the drama. It's a T.V. Show. Just enjoy! I think that Kerry Washington is doing a great job.

  • Queen | January 11, 2013 9:49 AMReply

    I do like the show and yes it is interesting but I totally get where you are coming from. I do feel it is a bit predictable at times. I pretty much knew last night's episode would go in the direction it did with maybe a few twists. I have been asking myself, if the show is so good, why hasn't it been nominated for an Emmy or Golden Globe? There is something missing about it and/or people are not really feeling what it is about. At least the people that have say so about giving it nominations. Maybe the thought and visualization of that much corruption in the White House is a turn off.

  • Mikayla | January 3, 2013 3:20 AMReply

    My problem with this critique is that it assumes the affair is the main plot of the show. For me, it's not. The main plot is the obviously complex conspiracy that is happening. The affair is certainly interesting, but ultimately a side plot. During every episode, the burning question on my mind is not "what will happen next between Olivia and Fitz?" My burning question is "who is in charge?" It's not Fitz. It's not the Defiance 5 (as a whole). Someone is pulling all of the strings. Someone is messing with Olivia Pope and given what I have seen so far, that is a nearly impossible accomplishment.

    Back to this particular article. This show is not called Pope, it is called Scandal. To focus on the biggest romantic scandal in Olivia's life, while ignoring the biggest scandal that has ever happened to the United States, is a huge error. To assume that Shonda Rhimes would lay everything out in the open after just 2 episodes of season 2 is a huge error. Shonda Rhimes writes this show like a mystery, not a drama. Instead of spelling out the overall arc for you in the first 10 minutes, she makes you wait. She drops hints and gives reveals, but ultimately she makes you wait to figure out what the show is really about. And with a bit of patience, she gives you exactly what you want (to understand Fitz/Olivia) and then some (the huge conspiracy that could literally destroy the United States).

    Any viewer that quits after 2 episodes because the writer isn't telling you about the affair must really only be interested in the romance. At the end of episode 1, we see that Olivia and Huck turned Lindsay into Quinn. If THAT wasn't enough to keep you intrigued as to what is the bigger story, perhaps you'd be better suited with a romantic drama.

  • Jane | December 17, 2012 5:45 PMReply

    Why do Americans, especially black Americans always have to turn everything into a race thing. This isn't a show about a black woman having an affair with a white guy - it's about a young, hot, successful woman and a powerful, attractive man. That they're black, white , whatever doesn't matter to the narrative. They're just a sexy couple with incredible chemistry .
    The whole Fitz , Olivia moral dilemma is part of what makes the show fun, intense and watchable. And the slow, gradual way we are exposed to the back story of the affair is captivating. I love this show

  • Erma | December 25, 2012 7:46 PM

    I agree with you Jane. I think what I like about the show is the fact that it doesn't make race an issue. When you're watching, you really don't think in terms of race. I hope they keep it that way. I'm not in the mood for any of the racial tension. We all know that there is lots of racial tension in the real world. We watch shows like this to escape it. I hope they keep it race neutral.

  • Ashley | November 30, 2012 3:03 PMReply

    Geez... I guess you missed your Civics/Government and English classes in school. When referring to the "President of the United States" and the "White House"... You always capitalize those items. Please get it together!

  • Shelia | March 22, 2013 10:46 AM

    No you should capitalize GOD and that's it

  • Asia | February 9, 2013 12:04 AM

    I agree to a point. I somewhat love the way Shonda Rhimes deals with race and the powerful image of Olivia Pope and her characters. However, not all black Americans are making everything entirely about race, but the portrayal of black male and female characters in the media that scarcely portrays them. Not every black American relates to the images shown on BET, the allotted shows on UPN, etc. Black americans are very diverse. I have a hard time with people, who say black Americans make everything about race without considering its stance, history and understand where each argument is coming from. Scandal is a great show. The storyline is very entertaining. However, Scandal is also a big deal because it is the first show on this network in thirty years with a black female lead, which is pretty sad in this day and age. But yes, it is a big deal to the black community, as well as other communities. It is also as much as a big deal as the the struggle to change the portrayal of women from the 60s housewife to more independent women in the new millennium. I do not see many people nowadays dismissing an argument by a woman as making everything about a "woman's issue" or a "gender issue" because there is a more diverse portrayal of women. Sadly, the portrayal of the black community or even other minority communities has not come that far. It sad to say that a show is "race neutral" when the person is black. It's not that I expect Olivia to go on some rant, but she is a black american. I don't understand how people expect the character to sweep that issue under the rug or act a certain way to be deemed acceptable. For me, Olivia represents every other powerful female seen in more main genres such as this. She does a lot of scandalous stuff. I think that's great but some people, even in the black community, will not see it that way. they will bring up the portrayal of her because there is a lack of minorities in shows and there is a great surge of negative images that focus on the 60s and other modern images. There really needs to be more shows with not only black characters, but other minorities and groups breaking stereotypes and showing diverse personalties in these groups. There also needs to be a change in every argument by a black individual as a race issue. Some of the arguments have merit and should not be ignored based on race. Sadly and apparently, It is still a issue.

  • sonya | January 17, 2013 11:06 PM

    you added absolutely no insight to the situation.

  • Kayla | November 5, 2012 4:14 AMReply

    Reading these Comments on here. I have to say this. How is Scandal showing a negative image of a black woman? What image do you what portrayed on TV? Do you wish Olivia was some ghetto trash or what is portrayed on reality Tv. Olivia Pope by the way that is her name not Amanda. If you going to talk about something at least know the character's name. Getting back to what I am saying Olivia Pope is not a home wrecking whore who is sleeping with the President. The home was already wrecked and besides the First Lady knew about the affair and was okay with it. She even scolded Olivia for ending the affair. How does that make her weak because she is in love with a man. Women are very complex individuals. New Flash: A woman can be in love and be a strong woman at the same time. I am not condoning her being involved with a married man. The need to give her a new love interest. I have to say this though what if the show was about Oliver Pope and his involvement with the a white woman.

    How is she considered to be hyper sexual? Just because she is having an affair with President that makes her hyper sexual? Please she has only had one sex scene. I have watched enough TV and have seen far worse then Scandal has every shown.

    People are putting a heavy burden on this show to be everything. When it does not give everything you have blogs like this? The viewership is not high but please don't complain
    when the show is gone about there are no shows with black leads.

  • Danny | April 13, 2013 2:38 AM

    Olivia Pope is a whore anyway you slice it she's the white man's whore. Just like Halle Berry became famous by being the black whore of Hollywood now Kerry Washington has taken Halle's place she's the new black whore of Hollywood. It seems to me a black actress can only become a leading lady if her characters in movies opens her legs for white men. Halle Berry did it in Monster's Ball and Kerry Washington is doing it in Scandal.

  • Amanda | November 10, 2012 1:07 AM

    "Olivia Pope by the way that is her name not Amanda. If you going to talk about something at least know the character's name."

    Just wanted to point out, since you jumped down some other person's/people's throat about it, that the President was sleeping with two other women besides his wife (that we know of). Olivia Pope AND a campaign worker named Amanda Tanner.

  • liz | October 29, 2012 5:50 PMReply

    Tanya darling, listen carefully. I say this with love. You're so invested in the politics of how the first black female lead in Prime Time is being presented that you can't simply enjoy this entertaining piece of fiction. You need Olivia Pope to be an independent strong woman stereotype to counter your own issues. It's fiction. And it's hot. Shonda shows extramarital affairs in every show she writes and she always roots for the affair. Did you do this for Meredith and Derek? How about the extramarital relationships in Private Practice? So why this one? Why can't you just enjoy the show without bringing so much politics into it? And don't even pretend that's not what it's about. Blacks are their own worst enemy. It's obvious the show is a hit based on the number of comments your article attracts and yet you must rip it apart every chance you get. Because that's what blacks do. No other group does this. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

  • To whom it may concern | April 25, 2013 11:34 PM

    There is no such thing as a work of fiction that is politically neutral. When they depict black women as leads for crossover appeal they always have her with white men. But when there is a white woman as lead they never put her with a black man. Interracial affairs are not required their mainstream success. Sorry, we'll stop bringing in politics when we stop noticing the pattern.

  • moni | February 8, 2013 10:23 PM

    omg liz you are so right on so maaaaannyyy levels!! scandal is my fav show of all time! i love every moment of it. i have yet to miss an episode! this is her second time writing a bad review about this incredible show. she probably loved edison (while he lasted). olivia pope is flawed like everyone else on the show. and all she cares about is "who's pulling the strings" like who cares? u follow the storyline and then u enjoy your night. why must people analyze stuff so much? and the shows ratings have been through the roof! so who cares if scandal is starting to lose you as a viewer tanya it doesnt need you anyway

  • Liz | October 29, 2012 5:36 PMReply

    How sad. Launching a campaign against this instant hit that everyone loves so much. With lame excuses to mask the issues oozing from your writing.

  • jay | October 28, 2012 11:51 PMReply

    this show rocks....stop hating bitches

  • Orville | October 11, 2012 2:52 PMReply

    It seems to me some black women on this message board are making excuses for the bad relationship Olivia Pope is in because she's with a white guy. I bet if Olivia Pope was having an affair with an older black man who was President of the United States the black women on this board wouldn't be so supportive. I know people want to make excuses but this relationship Olivia Pope has with President Grant is manipulative and emotionally abusive.

    Olivia needs a new guy a new love interest and assert her independence from a terrible relationship which is stale. I would love to see Olivia fall in love with someone new.

    No offense to Tony Goldwyn fans the guy is okay looking for a 50 something white guy but he's not hot. It's not like Kerry's love interest is someone gorgeous like say TJ Holmes, Don Lemon, Boris Kodjoe, or someone young and hot someone in her own age range or something.

  • liz | October 31, 2012 2:43 AM

    Orville, you're either very young or you don't understand women. All women over 30 would find a man like Fitz hot. It's not about just looks or young firm body parts the way it is with men. He's the mot powerful man in the world, he's tall and has swag. That's sexy. If the older black president were Barack Obama, then women would be swooning. If he looked like Herman Cain, then no. If the white president were JFK, women would be swooning. If he looked like Ronald Reagan, then no. That's what it's about.

    A 50 year old man is not old to a woman over 30. That's what you don't get. Women and men are not the same. Men want youth and perky breasts. Women find confidence and manliness attractive and a man in charge has it in spades, so if he's even a little bit handsome, he's likely to be very attractive.

  • Josh | October 11, 2012 7:14 PM

    I agree with you, Orville. Kerry Washington's character Olivia needs a new love interest on the show. Michael Ealy, Blair Underwood , Jesse Williams or even develop a romantic relationship with Columbus Short's character

  • dee | October 10, 2012 10:30 AMReply

    I do recall in season 1 where they did a flashback of Olivia and Fitz and how it begin. I believe we are going to get to see her whole staff and how they arrived working for Olivia. Example: (Quin) I believe they all are apart of some scandal in one way or another. I have faith in this show it will all come to the light soon enough.

  • Yolanda | October 9, 2012 8:38 PMReply

    I like the show a lot. I will definitely remain a viewer, but I would love to see Olivia develop a relationship with a man that is accessible. I know an ex lover of hers is being introduced and who knows maybe they will rekindle their romance. I would also like to learn more about Olivia's background. Give her some parents and siblings like Meredith on Grey's Anatomy Shonda. Let's see why Olivia became the woman she is.

  • starry118 | October 11, 2012 2:27 PM

    I agree...although I like Fitz & Olivia, I am interested in seeing her develop a relationship with someone else she has great chemistry with and is more accessible. I also look forward to some more character development for her...we're 9 epis in, so there's time to explore that. I think they should introduce us to, at least, one of her family members this season...a sibling perhaps?

  • CareyCarey | October 9, 2012 12:54 PMReply

    Mr. HMMM and Mr. NO BRAINER, both of you guys are on some poppycock :-). Seriously, how did y'all fix your lips to say--> "What was her goal in sharing it HERE? I understand wanting to get it off her chest. Writing this was cathartic for her. But Tambay chimed in this setup". WHAT?! You guys generally speak with a rational mind, but listen. One more time, how in the heck can you imply that there's some form of secret conspiracy between Tambay and Tanya to dupe readers into writing comments? The dope sells itself. I am suggesting that first and foremost Tanya is a writer ( let's say that again. Tanya is a WRITER, okay) who has been adding content to this blog for OVER A YEAR and Tambay is it's host and editor. So by a natural extension he chimes in, okay. Now, this post was NOT a "review" per se, in fact, the title said: The Ongoing Trouble With 'Scandal' And Why It's Starting To Lose "ME" As A Viewer. So what's the confusion and who really has a problem? Yeah, ask yourself this, why does any of S&A contributors add content to this blog? Why does Sergio add commentary to his Weekend B.O. column? And why does Curtis add his form of commentary to his "This Week In TV" column? And surely you know why Courtney, Natasha and Jasmin do what they do, right? Yeah, they'll all writers who add content ( in various forms) to this blog with their own voice; flare and uniqueness. Having said that, one more time, let's say it again, what's the real problem?

  • Gerald | October 9, 2012 2:33 AMReply

    I really don't have much to say. The affair with the president does weaken her. She seems painfully, hopelessly in love with him and she seems very fragile and weak and not to mention the whole aspect of a black woman stepping so low as to sleep with a married man. It's sickening and I stop watching the show and no it's not racial, it could have been a black man. I just think it's a cheap, lazy way to develop the character. Why do black female lead actors have to be sexualized. They did it with Halle Berry and others. I agree that Amanda Pope needs a flaw. We all have one or more. It's too bad that the writers couldn't have been slicker and wrote something more challenging and less demeaning. But hey sex sells...so who really cares

  • Kayla | November 5, 2012 4:21 AM

    How does that make her hyper sexual? I have seen far worse on TV.

  • Troy | October 9, 2012 1:08 PM

    One could argue that the exclusion of sexual interest at all is abnormal. Should her sexual storyline rival a doctor, or politician the very busy and influential people she fixes situations for. The only way to rise out of the morass for her sexual storyline is to up the ante. It doesn't to seem to had work the way they wanted. So what kind of relationship could she have with another type-A like herself who still has time for her and she him. The unavailability factor is not only a problem for the viewer but these very women complaining in real life. If they cannot constantly aspire to be like the women in the movies, television, and magazines then what hope do they have in the "Real" unglamorous world. I don't find asexual or nonsexual characters realistic unless they are playing Mother Theresa. Morbidly obese people are sexual beings also. I mean substance dealing with people in created content means nothing without the threat of death and the opportunity to create life, sex. Her flaw to me is her job, she is literally a criminal. The scandal of scandal has distracted a audience that can't help but be singularly focused on whether or not a black woman ends up in a stable fictitious relationship. Well Sanaa has a husband and kids on Boss.

  • Laura | October 9, 2012 10:00 AM

    At least they saved us from an Eddie Long character. Instead they gave us the stereotypical cheating black pastor. HOORAY for Shonda Rhimes, this should get her a BET image award if she can beat out Tyler Perry. However, the polls have Tyler in front.

  • Darnell | October 9, 2012 3:17 AM

    HELLO! There it is, that's exactly what many are refusing to say --> " I just think it's a cheap, lazy way to develop the character. Why do black female lead actors have to be sexualized". Exactly! We finally get a black female lead and she's sleeping with a married man. Thank you Gerald for broaching the subject that many are afraid to talk about (on this blog that is).

  • starry118 | October 9, 2012 12:03 AMReply

    (I haven't read any of the other comments yet, so someone else has probably brought up these points)

    "Right now, we are being shown their connection but, it isn't attached to a history. As an audience, we need to be a part of the creation of her history."----------

    Did you see Season 1, Episode 6: "The Trail?" Much of that episode was devoted to showing how Fitz and Olivia met and their relationship developed. Actually, there was instant attraction...at least from Fitz's side. Perhaps if Season 1 had been longer, they could have gone more in depth with it, but even without the slow burn/buildup, Liv & Fitz have still "got it" to the point that people enjoy watching them say "Hello" and breathe to one another on the telephone. I think it was a good idea to establish the romantic relationship/connection early, so the "Moonlighting Effect" won't come into play. As the married President of the U.S., the chance of them truly being together is unlikely...so they will "break up" for periods of time, and she will date other people, but the writers can still play with the "will they/won't they" throughout the run of the show. Viewers will remember the intense chemistry they shared, and know they will eventually get back together at some point, so will always be looking for signs indicating when the next rekindling of the affair will happen. #thehook----------I do look forward to members of Olivia's team being fleshed out more, as they writers are doing with Huck...what is Columbus Short's character all about? They really need to bring in some replacements for Annoying Abby & Boring Quinn, because they are the wink links in terms of casting.

  • starry118 | October 9, 2012 12:06 AM

    *weak* links...

  • Name Ellen | October 8, 2012 9:00 PMReply

    Your Comment
    I think the show is great, sometimes I mess it at it's regular time, can we get a repeat or somthing. Olivia you are the bum.

  • Masha Dowell | October 8, 2012 4:45 PMReply

    I love Scandal. I watch it online, and I am growing with the storyline. I want Olivia to have a love interest that is available to love her though. The actor that plays the President is handsome, but I want to see someone smoking HOT for Olivia :) I want to see FLAMES on my screen w/ Olivia! I mean Columbus Short would do just fine. Something to shake it UP!!!! Kudos to the show for making it to season 2!!!!

  • starry118 | October 9, 2012 12:14 AM

    Yes, Columbus Short would do just fine...been wondering about that since last season :D

  • Just Another Person Talking To A Screen | October 8, 2012 3:21 PMReply

    Could anyone suggest some black scripted dramas for me to watch? How do independent critiques make shows better? Does promoting a discussion lead to new opportunities? Will there not be a Tanya "Michael" Steele to head the opposition no matter how good a black lead drama is? Will not a site like this always host the contrarian argument compared to more popular channels? Production is one thing, our understanding of power dynamics are another. Tony Soprano is strong and Olivia Pope is weak. Tony was codependent on his wife, his therapist and a organization of murderers. Olivia uses leverage over people of power to manipulate outcomes for money that allows her to pay several comfortable salaries. I don't think we know what a woman in power looks like. What are your examples of women in power? President by the balls and she has the biggest, baddest dog in the neighborhood. President Fitz is Tony Soprano, the wives are almost symmetrical, Olivia as the therapist, and he also depends on the homosexual Cyrus to prop up his own ambitions. The level of writing never matches what the viewer imagines. I think the character of Pope is strong. Kerry may be as stiff as Jennifer Anniston. Shonda Rhimes may create for a large audience that network tv commands. Who are some of Shonda Rhimes contemporaries and what black producers is she walking in the shoes of?

  • danieb | October 8, 2012 2:58 PMReply

    I kind of disagree. I don't think we needed to see Olivia sleep with the President. I think the writers of this show are fierce and brilliant. I watch this show religiously!!

  • NISH | January 8, 2013 2:03 PM

    THANK YOU!! I ABSOLUTLEY AGREE...SOUNDS LIKE SOME TING GOING ON TO ME.......

  • Kiki | October 8, 2012 1:11 PMReply

    *Yawn* the show is getting pretty good ratings so Shonda must be doing something right. If you don't like the show, simply turn it off and keep it moving --->

  • Gerald | October 9, 2012 2:37 AM

    I did...by my wife and mom still watch it...but they hate the whole deal with Amanda sleeping with the prez who's married. Really sleazy when you think about it. Black woman sexualized again.

  • Taz | October 7, 2012 10:58 PMReply

    @ Charles Judson. like your POV. @Orville: Like the first piece Tanya wrote, it seems to be based on a specific definition of what an independent woman is. Let me, an independent woman, give another definition. An independent woman is a woman who makes decisions for herself. Right, wrong or indifferent. She takes care of herself, knows how she wants to live her life and for the purposes of this discussion, if she choses to have a partner, it is because she wants one....however she wants him. The decisions an independent woman makes is personal and does not have to make sense to anyone else, nor does she really and truly care about what they think. An independent woman can have insecurities, self-esteem issues, etc. etc. etc. That said an independent woman, hell a regular WOMAN, could have made the decision to have an affair with a married man because it keeps the relationship EXACTLY where SHE needs it to be. If Olivia wanted to have Fitz, she could shut her mouth and waited to see if he would leave his wife in the midst of a scandal. Or she could have leaked the affair herself and caused a major stink. Please. I am getting bored with the judgement made on a female show character. It is one dimensional and frankly, boring as hell. And so would any tv show based on it.

  • WOW | October 9, 2012 3:25 AM

    It's not one sided!? Please, let's tell it like it T.I.S... Ms Olivia is just the brown romp on the side. Hell, what's new, he's suppose to make Olivia feel like she's needed and in charge. That's the way good players play the game... and it's working. He got y'all fooled.

  • starry118 | October 9, 2012 12:22 AM

    @Orville They're addicted to one another...it's not one-sided at all. Olivia, Mellie, and Cyrus are the reasons Fitz is still in the White House, because he's indicated more than once that he'd happily leave it and serve the community in other ways. They're more into it than he seems to be.

  • Orville | October 8, 2012 4:00 PM

    @Taz I disagree, in the second episode, Olivia was clearly distressed she asked Fitz to "let me go" she's unhappy because she knows the affair is going nowhere and she's the one getting burned.

    I don't see how progressive it is for Scandal to show a black woman in a power imbalance and an emotionally abusive relationship. Fitz is manipulating Olivia she's addicted to him she wants to break free but she's having withdrawal symptoms right now.
    The show needs to show Olivia break free from Fitz and find a love interest. She needs to move on from Fitz it is boring to watch Olivia pine away for a man that's never going to leave his wife she looks desperate, weak, and pathetic.

  • bohemian princess | October 7, 2012 7:30 PMReply

    @Tanya, I certainly respect your right to express your opinion as you have in your two articles on Scandal. That being said let me offer you some sage advice. Just stop watching the show already. I don't know what you're expecting. This is escapism television in the vein of Grey's Anatomy or Desperate Housewives, or even Revenge (I realize that none of these shows are political dramas) but it's obvious that since we have so few dramas with black lead characters a heavy burden is being placed on Scandal. It's not meant to be a cerebral experience. Shonda isn't trying to break ground on the small screen. She's not making 'The Soprano's' or 'Breaking Bad' or 'The Wire' or whatever show you happen to think is the best thing to grace the silver screen in the past decade. Scandal is a night time soap opera. Accept that and deal with it or move on. It's a decent show with great acting. It never purported to be anything else. Yet some of the critiques I've read on this site have been pretty asinine and lacking in depth and critical analysis (i.e. Sally Hemmings? Seriously?) . Ironically enough things some have accused Ms. Rhimes of.

  • sandra | October 7, 2012 11:20 PM

    @Bohemian Princess - I agree 100% -On another note, I wish this website offered a way to secure one's username (different Sandras).

  • Sandra | October 7, 2012 11:11 PM

    @ BOHEMIAN PRINCESS, Tanya is a writer and you're yelling from the cheap seats. Now let me offer you some sage advice. Stop raining on someone else's parade already. Contact Tambay to submit your own opinions on Scandal. In the interim let Tanya do what she does best and you do the same... wear a mask while critiquing a writer from the balcony.

  • Winston | October 7, 2012 3:37 PMReply

    I am consistently amazed that some of you become so emotionally involved in other people's works of FICTION. It isn't real. It doesnt affect you. If you don't like it, then turn it off.

  • Charles Judson | October 7, 2012 9:58 AMReply

    I agree with Tamaby that the stakes for some of the storylines on SCANDAL are at times too low. As an example, the Quinn/Lindsey trial in the first episode lacked dramatic weight and immediate consequences. A woman is accused of bombing 7 people, the judge ends the trial just as the prosecution was clearly winning, and the media, public and political establishment goes along with it. Only David gets the blowback. Lindsay travels to see her dad and she's not only not hassled by the public, who has seen her face on TV for weeks, the most she gets is a semi-nasty stare. That being said, SCANDAL is not a character driven thriller. It is a political soap opera. And there's nothing wrong with that. Is Olivia a morally weak woman? Yes. She slept with a married man and even a part she isn't able to break the emotional connection they have. This does not take away her power. In the first two episode of this season it's shown that A) the Chief of Staff still takes her advice and heeds her influence, B) The President uses her entire strategy and parrots her words about him, C) It's the President that calls her, not him, and D) She's able to both call the President to have an investigation squashed, and call someone else to have a trial ended. Anyone that considers Olivia subservient to the President doesn't know what subservient means. In fact, Mellie's "What happened to us" conversation in the second episode, even if it was meant to manipulate Fitz, is problematic. She's already given up her law practice and she's playing the mommy card hard. That plotline from a feminist perspective should raise some eyebrows. Even if Mellie still has access to power behind the scenes, it's an illusionary facade of 1950s values that should be disturbing, especially since in SCANDAL's world everyone is playing into it. But, this is the same media that didn't call bullsh*t on a bad outcome at a trial. To Tanya's points about giving Olivia having her own Dilemma the writers have given her one. She's called Lindsay Dwyer. The Sudan storyline is The President's not Olivia. The Lindsay plotline is clearly meant to be Olivia's metaphorical Big Bad with David leading the charge. She fixed something in the past and that fix is now unraveling. It's unraveling by her own hand when she screwed over David not once, but twice. Did the writers bungle setting that up in the first two episodes? A little. There's a lot more cat and mouse a show like DAMAGES could and would have wrung out of David's slide from drinking buddy to antagonist. But, again, this is more soap opera than thriller. It also appears to be that the writers understood there wasn't much to be gained from the trial and they needed to get David investigating as quickly as possible if they wanted to start raising the stakes in the Lindsay case. Sometimes you have to make narrative sacrifices in the service of expediency. Still, the writers can do a better job of turning Olivia's pouts and pensive looks into action. Other than screwing over David, there's not much that I can point to that Olivia's done to make things worse or that backs her into a corner. So far the reveal of what Olivia and Huck did is great as information, but it's action that happened in the past. It only shades what we see now. And considering it's a network show, I'm pretty sure what we saw is more Olivia playing White Knight than Olivia pulling a Patty to save her own hide. Where the show seems most afraid to go (back) to but does dabble a bit in is the Olivia vs. Mellie for the President's ear. It's a fascinating dynamic of two politically savvy women who seem to be the real power behind the throne. It will be interesting to see if Rhimes and her writing staff amp that up. The possibility of more chess games between them could make for more fireworks. Is SCANDAL a great show? No. It's a mashup of WEST WING, THE PRACTICE and GREY'S ANATOMY that prefers archetypes over character and lacks subtlety. Huck's I don't want to be hired to drink Whiskey anymore monologue is laughably hokey and illustrates this best. I was waiting for someone to get up and ask him if Whiskey was code for killing. But, again, it's a political soap opera that's fairly entertaining and does enough things right that, while it isn't appointment viewing for me, is watchable and even fun. By the way, returning to Olivia as a morally weak person. She helps spin politics and hide skeletons for a living. She's already a morally compromised character even if she hadn't slept with the President. You can pull out her affair and that's like removing one ketchup stain off an already multi-stained blue dress.

  • starry118 | October 9, 2012 12:34 AM

    Good read...well stated & I agree with all points.

  • Carey | October 7, 2012 9:34 PM

    I am laughing to myself because as I was reading and reading, and reading more and more, I was wondering when Charles (with his politically correct, good writing self *big smile*) when was he going to cut to the chase? Well, I knew we had arrived when he dropped this-->" Is SCANDAL a great show? NO. IT'S A MASHUP!". In short, he said it's a soap opera. Albeit a "political" soap-opera, but an "opera" nevertheless. Now I'm sitting here wondering what the hell is a soap opera? Well, don't quote me, but I think in the old days each program had one sole sponsor and thus soap detergent companies were major sponsors of daytime programming. So there we have "soap". That's off the top of my head so again, don't quote me, but what is it about a series that relegates it to the basement tier of television programming known as soap-operas? Is this it-->"make narrative sacrifices in the service of expediency"? Or does/must it include hokey plots and archetypes over "character"? I don't know, but after reading all of what Charles said Scandal could-be and should be, I definitely feel and hear what JMac said: "Maybe that's the real issue with Scandal. I guess I prefer a nice slow build up than having crisis upon crisis bombard me each episode. When I first heard about the show, I thought it was going to be a serious, reality based drama - or at least more serious and reality-based THAN WHAT IT IS".

  • zeal | October 7, 2012 9:56 AMReply

    This is the best blog post ever by Shadow and Act. Please hire this woman. She was very fair in her critique and didn't allow her feelings to take over her criticism. I love Scandal and don't find anything wrong with how she critiqued the show. This is fair criticism. Please get with it Shadow And Act!

  • Nebsen | October 6, 2012 8:44 PMReply

    You make some very interesting points about Scandal which do have some merit. But your main critique seems to come from a wish the Scandal was a cable network show which it is not. I'm sure if it were it would contain all the complexities for a more sophisticated audience that makes up cable. But, I'm grateful for Scandal being offered at all on network T.V. I believe because it is network T.V. they have a bottom line to keep the unwashed masses entertained, even if they are" Soap Opera-esque" type of shows.

    Scandal is groundbreaking to have a African American women( Kerry Washington) as a lead even, if it appears she is sharing it with others at times. For those of us without cable, Scandal is about as good as it gets for a drama with a Black women as the lead !

    I'm sure in time Shonda Rhimes will get her shot at cable , but for now I'm glad she is on network T.V. so we ALL might see her genius, along with Kerry Washington.

  • WOW | October 9, 2012 3:33 AM

    Orville, you're doing a good job being the voice of reason. Keep keeping it real. Too many of use are rooting for a show that portrays a negative image of the black female. It's saddening to see so many black women supporting this show simply because a black woman is ONE of the lead characters. Seriously, shows like this take us backward, not forward.

  • Orville | October 7, 2012 2:41 PM

    @Nesben Okay, great Kerry Washington is the first black female lead since 1974 in a dramatic role on television. However, I think Tanya has a point the audience deserves more and some of us are not pleased with the Scandal storyline. We should not just pat Shonda Rhimes on the back for breaking a barrier she needs to deliver and so far Scandal is not delivering. Tanya is right the stakes are too low, the affair with the President is boring and Olivia needs her agency and power back. The storylines needs to get higher stakes, more risk and drama for Olivia beyond the stupid affair.

    It is not enough for Kerry Washington to be a black female lead she also needs to have a compelling storyline for her character on Scandal or else this show will NOT get a third season. I noticed the ratings for Scandal are not great about 7 million viewers per week.
    Scandal needs to get more dramatic, and Olivia needs more conflict in her life beyond just sleeping with a white man who happens to be President of the United States.

  • @8sTEOC | October 6, 2012 8:38 PMReply

    The fixer stuff is more interesting than this high schoolish secret love stuff. I get get so annoyed by that story line. A sitting president talking about leaving his wife for his mistress is the mother of all shark jumps and we are just two episodes into the second season. That story line needs to be buried.

  • HummingLoon | October 6, 2012 7:03 PMReply

    I just think that Olivia is being overshadowed by the First Lady, what's-her-name and Hock (sp?), Olivia's henchman. I'm rooting for her, but I'm starting not to care. The strong black female lead is the only reason that I'm watching the show anyway, so if her storyline becomes weaker, I'll stop watching. The whole affair with Fitz is just too darn messy and now she's starting to stress him for favors because of their relationship. It's really not what I'm wanting to see.

  • MelissaenAfrique | October 6, 2012 3:42 PMReply

    I've never watched a single episode but your whole 'step by step' 'I would have done this' is pretty patronizing but I guess you are trying to appear consistent as this is not the first time you've written an essay about this (upon seeing online clips) soap opera-esque, fluff show that really doesn't require the pseudo-introspection you give it. Get a grip and write about something else. Again, I have not watched the show but I am over your Scandal essays. They are as boring as the show seems to be.

  • @tracijreeves | October 6, 2012 3:11 PMReply

    I agree with your very astute critique of the show but none of the reasons you mention have been a threat to the show losing me as viewer. Most of the enjoyment for me comes from simply watching Pope do her thing...kind in the same way I used to like seeing House doing his...the romantic plot is just an added bonus. I'm kind of relieved that it is not the center of the show's narrative arc actually.

  • Orville | October 6, 2012 2:23 PMReply

    I think the problem with Scandal is indeed the power dynamic Tanya is correct. People can make a lot of excuses but the problem with Olivia and Fitz relationship is it he is MARRIED. Olivia is just the black jump off that's it because Fitz refuses to leave his wife divorce her and make a commitment. People can say, well in the first season finale Fitz was going to do that but why didn't he? I believe President Grant loves having power over Olivia. In the second episode he asked Olivia again on the phone if she wanted to end their emotional affair and she said no.
    So it is hard to feel sorry for Olivia because she's the mistress and she does NOT come across as an independent black woman. An independent black woman would have ENOUGH self respect to end an emotionally draining affair with a married man. Olivia has an addiction she knows her relationship with President Grant is unhealthy yet she just can't shake it or have a withdrawal from him. According to the news Olivia is supposed to have a black male love interest I can't wait to see him because I am getting bored and tired of Olivia wasting her time on a man that can't give himself completely to her. A relationship with a married man is a waste of time because he can never give you what you want himself completely.

  • Jenna | October 6, 2012 9:33 PM

    Did you miss the part where Fitz (the president) had planned to leave his wife but Olivia forced his wife to reconcile with him? Moreover, there are tons of soap operas where the heroine is in love with a married man. (Hello! Grey's Anatomy!)

  • Agent K | October 6, 2012 12:19 PMReply

    Tanya Steele: the one who kicked the hornets' nest.

  • starry118 | October 9, 2012 12:44 AM

    @Orville I think you're reading more into the situation than what's there, because that's certainly not the story that's been presented...you're rewriting the script lol.

  • Orville | October 7, 2012 2:46 PM

    @Jenna if Fitz was going to leave his wife he would have done it. I do not buy the line that Olivia forced him to stay with his wife. I just think it is BS by the writers. If Fitz loves Olivia then leave the damn wife, have a press conference and be done with it. These married men like Fitz want their cake and eat it too. Fitz just wanted to appear like he was a noble man to Olivia he had absolutely no intention of leaving his wife or he would have done it!

    Enough of this crap about how Fitz is not manipulating and using Olivia because he is.

  • Carey | October 6, 2012 10:37 AMReply

    Scandal... huuuummm. The way I see it is the dope sells itself and everybody is right. “What dope, what are you talking about now, Carey?” Look at it as a metaphorical phrase or an analogy if you will. See, one of the neighborhood guys once told me he didn't have to promote or persuade others to purchase his wares because in time, if they were good they would sell themselves. Get it, the dope sells itself. So, as this relates to Scandals, if it's good it will sell, if not… well, you know the answer. Consequently, those who find areas of concern with the series are "right" and conversely, those who find little or no fault are "right" as well. Now, it was said that Tanya Steele admitted that she was no fan of Rhimes work. Okay, but that in no way disqualifies her from giving her assessment on this year's program. To infer that a person is being disingenuous when they voice their opinion on a subject or film, merely because they've admitted some previous indifference with the producer, is in my opinion, faulty logic. Furthermore, I see absolutely nothing wrong with comparing Scandal to other tv programs, regardless of the networks in which they appear. If one series moves a person in ways that engage them and impresses them, and the other does not, there's an immediate comparison (and there's nothing wrong with that). On the other hand, those who find Scandal enjoyable, we can't take that from them either. Whether they are writers, a past fans of Shonda's products or not, they own that enjoyment and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. So, as I said, in respect to Scandal and the conversations that ensued, everybody is right because they CANNOT be "wrong" if giving their opinion, especially if they’re merely giving their reasoning on something they like or dislike. However, this is dead wrong and just plain silly-->"The people on this site hate 99% of the things they post". But in the end, isn't it about what Tanya said-> "The show will remain interesting and engaging. Ms. Rhimes is very good at keeping her fans happy." And as Tambay said "But if it's appealing to its target audience, then I suppose that's all that matters... to the network and Shonda Rhimes anyway." Yep, the dope will sell itself. Lets just hope enough people buy it.

  • Dree | October 6, 2012 10:18 AMReply

    I disagree totally with your assessment of Scandal. We have only had 9 episodes, with the first season only being contracted for 7 episodes. Shonda Rhimes has done an excellent job in introducing us to the ensemble of characters who make up Scandal. Through that time we learned about the history that you say is missing between Fitz and Olivia. Keep in mind starting out a show just focusing on these two characters would probably not have gotten them past seven episodes. Instead we came to find out and are still finding out how all of the pieces fit together. The beauty of this show is that it takes so many twists and turns and so what you see may not be the entire story. You cannot have a short attention span and understand what is going on. Some of the shows that you cited as great television on network tv just don't hold my attention, there is a lot of hype about nothing. We have not even scratched the surface regarding who the characters are and their connection and with a show like Scandal this could Absolutely not be done in 8 episodes. So while it may be losing you as a viewer it's picking up more and more viewers because its a show unlike any other. It's smart, intelligent, quirky, with great acting and yes writing. One of the best things about this show is that it is based on a real intelligent and powerful woman Judy Smith who also is a consultant to this show.

  • lou | October 6, 2012 9:34 AMReply

    There's nothing wrong with Scandal, but there is something wrong with people who don't think it's a good show because it's doesn't fall into their idea of how a strong black woman should carry herself. There are plenty of gorgeous beautiful strong black women out there who don't have big butts and don't have to swirl their necks or fingers in order to be heard.

  • david | October 6, 2012 3:08 AMReply

    saggins are never satisfied...I'd like to watch the series that some of you DO actually LIKE/WATCH. "i know the inner workings of washington and she somehow seems unbelievable"...lol WHAT?

    "why would you expect good writing from shonda rhymes?"
    "her writing is like a romance novel"?
    WHAT TV WRITING IS GOOD THEN? I guess its a "thing" now but I'm so disappointed when i read the comments on this site for 95% of the posts!

    "how will the central character wrestle with their moral dilemma, next week?" WHAT AGAIN?
    You people are draining...HONESTLY!

  • CareyCarey | October 6, 2012 1:31 AMReply

    Nadine, I am so disappointed with your comment (below)! It was low-brow, below the belt and highly disrespectful. And I just don't understand why you felt the need to go there? Now, if this was a forum in which Tanya could openly defend your "indictments" item by item, directly after each issue/concern/disagreement hit the floor (sort of like a debate), I'd say fair-cool-lets-go, but this is not the case and you've unfairly taken advantage of that. Again Nadine, I don't understand the motive behind your assault nor the purpose of your attack. Yes, it was an attack/assault, not a critique.

  • Hmmm | October 9, 2012 12:57 AM

    Lol, no you are misconstruing my question. I didn't say what was her goal in writing the piece but rather what was her goal in sharing it HERE? I understand wanting to get it off your chest. That's fine. I'm thinking more about how it works with the platform she is using to share it. Tis all...

  • NO BRAINER | October 9, 2012 12:26 AM

    @HMM... You keep asking, "What was she (author) trying to achieve" and you end up answering with your own conspiracy theory. Maybe she just wanted to get it off her chest. Writing this was cathartic for her. It could be just that simple.

  • Hmmm | October 8, 2012 11:28 PM

    We can agree to disagree. I'm cool with that. I think there are a lot of things here at play and I think someone else opened up a good can of sauce when they touched upon what an independent black women or a black women with some agency can be outside of what has been the implied "norm." Tanya is free to give her opinion, but as I asked before, what is her goal in sharing it HERE? I think it was a setup. Her delivery set the tone for all and any to let loose on her and that smells of bait.... Tanya set the bar hot and when others chimed in it didn't have the same KaPOW... Lol something is definitely KICKIN! HA!! We agree more than you think...

  • Hmmm | October 8, 2012 11:28 PM

    We can agree to disagree. I'm cool with that. I think there are a lot of things here at play and I think someone else opened up a good can of sauce when they touched upon what an independent black women or a black women with some agency can be outside of what has been the implied "norm." Tanya is free to give her opinion, but as I asked before, what is her goal in sharing it HERE? I think it was a setup. Her delivery set the tone for all and any to let loose on her and that smells of bait.... Tanya set the bar hot and when others chimed in it didn't have the same KaPOW... Lol something is definitely KICKIN! HA!! We agree more than you think...

  • CareyCarey | October 8, 2012 12:30 AM

    @ HMMM. we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I know you're not simply being anti-CareyCarey (nope, you're not that kind of guy) so your comments are not a case of me saying "up" and then you reply with "down". Nor do I believe that you love swimming in the arms of popular opinions (nope, you don't seem to harbor that type of insecurity). So maybe it's a case of me not being able to articulate why so many woman are hell bent on "judging" and vilifying the writer of this post. It just doesn't make sense to me. She simply gave her opinion and assessment of Scandal's ongoing affairs -- just like she did last season -- then hell broke loose. I mean, if those who disagreed with her views (yes plural - views) of the show would have simply pointed to the areas of their indifference's ( i.e. plot, characters, acting, what moves them, etc,) I would have more respect for their comments. But the scratch-lines some have etched in the ground has little to do with the program. Seriously, if you've noticed, many other commentators have expressed the EXACT same concerns as Tanya but the naysayers seem to develop a case of selective vengeance. In short Mr. HMMM, something is smelly in the old hen house so we'll have to agree to disagree on dis-hur-one.

  • Hmmm | October 7, 2012 10:39 PM

    Correction noted. I wouldn't look at the number of responses to a post as the leading indicator. I think the content within the comments that push the thinking and discussion forward is a better indicator. However with this post the way it is... It does not openly invite that discussion that I think a more objective stance and analysis of what's there (without the unnecessary prescription and need to doctor the storyline ) could offer. Instead many posts are directed at her delivery. What is Tanya's objective in writing about the show in THIS way? I hope those volunteering to write really think about the capital and influence they have as writers here and really think about the image they are presenting to their audience. If they're cool... It is what it is... But this post smells of bait=more clicks.

  • CareyCarey | October 7, 2012 8:32 PM

    Correction... Tanya IS MUCH MORE beyond this blog, this is not her day job. She simply drops by this spot to give her perspective (free of cost I might add) on issues that we find engaging (And if the number of responses/comments to her articles are any indication of the value she brings to this blog, I'd say she's apparently doing a damn good job). Yet, just as important, as I said earlier, there's no S&A writer -- other than Sergio -- who has the cojones to broach this inflammatory issue. In fact, when Django Unchained drops, I hope she's the writer ( here in S&A ) who's first to give her assessment. Don't get me wrong, Tambay is very good at writing "reviews" and overall commentary on cinema of the African Diaspora. HOWEVER... I've noticed in the past that he can -- at times -- be "apologetic" and/or highly biased when giving his review/opinion on controversial films. Case in point, the movies The Last Fall and The Help. For those who have been following this blog, I do not believe I have to explain why I chose those two films to enhance my point. On the other hand, it's my belief that Tanya Steele does not kowtow to the loudest voices nor popular opinions here at S&A. I respect and love that in her.

  • Hmmm | October 7, 2012 12:17 PM

    Lol well do what you have to do and I'll respectfully decline the nomination. Yes, I said it was sensationalized because it definitely was just that. Lol Tanya is capable of so much more beyond this blog. Tanya wrote this piece and Tambay chimed in. I am not at all surprised by this setup.... Puppeteering at its best...

  • CareyCarey | October 6, 2012 10:26 PM

    @ Mr. HMMM, if you don't stop I'm going to nominate you for next season's Rupaul's Drama Queens :-). I am serious man. How did you fix your lips to say Tanya's piece was sensationalism and not structured criticism? But listen, nothing gets my deepest side-eye than a pretentious quasi-intellectual prick who gives their opinion in boring "critics speech". This is not the Huffington Post and Tanya was not submitting this article in consideration for a Rhodes Scholarship... this was a blog post on a damn make believe soap opera. More importantly, did the title not say "...it's starting to lose "ME" as a viewer". Yeah, "SHE" Tanya Steele, that's what I thought. But nawwwwl, you want a more objective perspective (whatever in the heck that means). DRAMA-DRAMA... you're DRAMA QUEENING Mr. HMMM. See, I don't know anything about "earning" their positions to engage the readers and provoke these discussions, but Tanya is perfect for this job. There's no S&A writer other than Sergio who has the cojones to broach this controversial issue. In fact, I was surprised when Tambay jumped in. He generally stays clear of these highly inflammatory subjects. That reminds me, some have taken umbrage at Tanya's remarks, and without hesitation they let their voices ring loud and clear. However it's AWFULLY strange that although several people -- including Tambay -- have mimicked all of Ms Steele's concerns, not a soul jumped down their neck. Hmmmm, go figure. But I understand Nadine's position because it's a carry over from last season. They got a thang going on (albeit one-sided, but...)

  • Hmmm | October 6, 2012 1:12 PM

    Hmmmm.... After a second viewing of it via Hulu I thought it was a lot better. I think Nadine was heated but I do see the justification in her comments. Tanya should give her criticism from a more objective perspective. She is all over the place dancing a jig and a keen eye can see right through all this I'm really rooting for this show that I'm about to describe as a piece of sh#t at the present moment type of post. It is no secret that she dislikes shonda's work. And I feel her disdain inhibits her from giving structured criticism. This post was all over the place and straight TACKY and sensationalized. Lol HI Tambay. I wish Curtis would have led these posts. Honesty I feel this blog presents itself as a place to cultivate ideas and engage with the readers. I also was under the notion that the writers who provoke these discussions have earned the position to do so. But I was wrong. While I think Tanya can offer advice to writers looking to explore better ways to discover their voice in their writing craft, I do not think she possesses the maturity to lead balanced discussions and critiques. BYE Tambay

  • Taz | October 5, 2012 11:27 PMReply

    I don't remember anyone complaining about wanting to see the affair first....especially when last seasons episode 6 aired. We see their connection but it isn't attached to history? WTH? We need to see what makes Abby and Huck tick? Are we watching and hearing the same show or do some of us need the writers to spell it ou.....t. Ohhhh. Well now. Is that one of the reasons some feel the writing is crappy? Do we want intelligent writing that tells us what to think and feel? LoL. I bet you didn't realize Olivia was behind Quinn's fake identity until the end of Season 2, Episode 1. Wow. Moving on........What I like about Scandal is that did not start with boy meets girl. They fall in love...have steamy intimate moments... get found out. OH! The Drama! They piiiiiiinnnnneee for each other over multiple episodes while going through more intrigue, other bed partners, etc. Divorce comes. FINALLY! But NO! Episodes 40-55. Another chance. ALAS! Episodes 59-69........Network is about to cancel the show. Okay let 'em be together in the series finale season or special 2 hour movie done later. Happy Days are here again ...(Richie Cunningham or Silk, whichever floats your boat.) Keep your formulas. I like this different thing...working from the middle ....we know there WAS, not IS, an affair for now.....I like that we see in snippets how it began, etc. .....while we see the current separation and intimacy without the physical. Sorry, but the payoff can be in finding out WHY and HOW vice waiting for the WHEN. That reminds me of Christopher Nolan...but I digress. I like that we know almost everyone is morally depraved in one way or another upfront and each character (now including Mellie) can make you feel some compassion for them......while seeing how low they have gone...and I adore learning about them based on how they act and say while helping others during the normal 1 or 2 case of the episode that moves fast.... forward. hint, hint. And I like the long winding on-going telling of the backstory as the single epi cases parallels it....and shows some humanity. Like trying to save 'consequences' of fixing bad deeds. Amanda Tanner...Quinn... Someone said that Rhimes work is equivalent of a romance novel. I hope they meant of her other shows, because as a reader of such novels and others, I can expertly say that is not so with this show. In fact, this type of storytelling in a book is downright boring. Not so in this medium.

  • ALM | October 6, 2012 10:08 PM

    You know what's funny? I watched episode 2 live, and I just watched episode 1 On Demand recently. I figured out that is was Huck that knocked her out before the reveal because who else on the show has the training to do that sort of thing besides him (unless they were going to introduce a new character). The question now is "why did they do it"? I have a feeling that Quinn/Lindsey is going to have to pay the Olivia/Huck piper back soon. As soon as she finds out that it was them who bailed her out.

  • Dree | October 6, 2012 10:23 AM

    I agree with your response , well said and true

  • ALM | October 5, 2012 10:44 PMReply

    I actually like the fact that we didn't see the beginning of the affair. We get the jist of the affair via flashbacks. If we had seen the beginning of the affair episode by episode, then "Scandal" would feel unoriginal and cliched. I do agree with you on this part of your opinion piece>>"A power dynamic is set up when you make her lover the president of the United States. It will keep her in a weak position because he's running the world. Whatever she does, doesn't compare to that. And, is always, in reaction to that. Her power rests in his storyline."

  • sandra | October 5, 2012 9:56 PMReply

    I loved last night's episode. I think Shonda's writing is effective and fun. It's entertaining and fulfills its purpose. I thought the pastor side story was the strongest so far and that last night's episode was the strongest (that and ep6 - The Trail). Very satisfied customer!

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