An Entertainment Tonight official premiere...
Here's your first trailer for Quentin Tarantino's much-anticipated Django Unchained, which stars Jamie Foxx in the title role.
Watch it below:
December 22, 2012 12:07 PMReply
So, If a film is produced that depicts whites tracking down and killing blacks who have caused an injustice, let's say murdering a few whites, then of course the WHOLE black community including Samual Jackson, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, the Black Panthers, the NAACP, Obama, MLK (if they could resurect him), the complete liberal press and TV would scream R.A.C.I.S.T!!!!!!!!!!!. This film in fact is a classic example of racism in it's truest form, it is nothing but political correct R>A>C>I>S>T!!!!!!!!!
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June 11, 2012 8:35 PMReply
I am not sure why white people wouldn't want to see this. I for one have no guilt and there were several plantations owned by my family on my father's side. It is a tarantino film and most of his films have proved to be pretty good if not entertaining. While I don't think that Jamie Foxxx is all that great of an actor, his performance should be more than adequate to enjoy the film.
December 22, 2012 12:12 PM
"enjoy the film"??? You sound like the commercial way back in 1962 for the movie "The Longest Day" that said:"If you enjoyed the Second World War, you'll love the Longest Day"
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June 8, 2012 10:41 AMReply
@Wow "weez all quote happy today, isn't we?" that quote was by me. I think you get where I'm coming from otherwise you wouldn't have responded. I think VonnB and you are completely missing the point by dismissing all that we are saying here as merely vapid, tired complaints. Ignore us then. Go see the movie. Eat popcorn. Drink coke. Be entertained. Go home self-satisfied, drink an American beer, watch Dolemite, laugh your ass off, play World Of Warcraft for four hours. Go to sleep. Repeat. Who cares? And why do you assume no one wants to see a serious slave movie? Remember a little movie called called Roots? Bottom line: See the movie if you want. We'll complain if we want.
June 8, 2012 12:04 PM
"This is fun, BTW!". Yippee yi-o ki-a, galloping all the way, great big star on my chest. Outlaws all of the rest. You caught me, I's having big fun. So one more: "It's the game of life. Do I win or do I lose? One day they're gonna shut the game down. I gotta have as much fun and go around the board as many times as I can before it's my turn to leave ~ Tupac Shakur. Good day Ms. Artbizzy.
June 8, 2012 11:35 AM
@Wow Gee Wiz, Beav, I didn't mean to get under your skin.... "talking loud and saying absolutely nothing of significance!" That's exactly what Tarantino does! And of what "truths" do you speak? Here's another quote for you: "You can't Handle the Truth!" Whatever that is. This is fun, BTW!
June 8, 2012 11:06 AM
"I think VonnB and you are completely missing the point by dismissing all that we are saying here as merely vapid, tired complaints. Ignore us then". 1. NOPE! You said it best..."merely vapid, tired complaints"... talking loud and saying absolutely nothing of significance! So **POOF** you're gone... **IGNORED** ... NEXT? The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill
June 8, 2012 5:25 AMReply
There is a saying.."Black people ain't happy if they're NOT complaining." I don't know many people who want to see a "serious" slave movie. As for being "brainwashed" for seeing this film, that's just dumb! No one I shared the trailer with objected, in fact quite the opposite. Trailer looks good and entertaining. You don't have to see it. I am positive I am as educated and well read as anyone on this site. Get over yourselves! How's that militant BS working out for you anyway?Put em overseas and they'll be beggin to come back! --Ice Cube
June 8, 2012 10:13 AM
Artbizzy, Ice Cube or Boo-BooThe Fool, don't shoot the messenger babe. Fact is, your quote pales in comparison to VONNB's. Your's is totally ambiguous and unrelated to the topic. (Some people didn't understand the context of being a slave... AND?). VONNB's is clear and to the point. You're such a funny funny valentine.Who are you gonna quote next. Pee-Wee Herman? Forrest Gump?
June 8, 2012 9:23 AM
@VONNB You had me until you quoted Ice Cube! LOL! Ice Cube! Here's a quote from Harriet Tubman. Remember that Sister? "I freed thousands of slaves, and could have freed thousands more, if they had known they were slaves." Quoting Ice Cube...Come On...lol. Who you gonna quote next, Snoop Dogg? Flavor Flave? Ice Cube! LOL...
June 8, 2012 4:46 AMReply
Did any of us really expect Jamie Foxx to be the hero of this film? White savior/interracial buddy films puts white butts in seats. It makes them feel good and reinforces historical revisionism. A film where a black slave independently kills white folks for the injustices visited on him and his family would force whites to think about the historical and current advantages of whiteness. Whites want to deny that this country was founded on genocide and slavery and they are certainly not going to pay $8-9 to see anything that remotely suggests black slave agency or the true extent of the sadistic cruelty of slavery. I hold out hope for 12 Years a Slave or watch Sankofa again.
June 13, 2012 9:45 PM
i haven't seen the two films you mention, but well said to the rest!
Miles Maker |
June 8, 2012 12:16 AMReply
If you know QT's work, you're probably not surprised by this trailer. We know his style. We know his aesthetic. We know nobody's gonna be up for an Acting award, but the film will be highly entertaining despite a blatant disregard for historical relevance. This is Hollywood, and THIS touts the potential to sell more tickets than truthful storytelling ever will. If we want different, we gotta make different.
June 7, 2012 9:56 PMReply
Hey, wanna see real stomp down racist comments on Django? Check out this site on Yahoo. When last I checked there were 200 comments (the post has been up 2 hours). Al Sharpton's name appears in a couple of comments. Something about him squealing like a greased pig. Of course Kerry Washington's name comes up... hey, it's a white site and they're taking no prisoners. There's also a "like" link. Don't be surprised at which remarks are getting the most "likes" Here--> http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/jamie-foxx-actually-second-choice-django-unchained-231955381.html
June 9, 2012 2:38 PM
Carey, Maaaan ain't nuthin' like GOOD BAD UGLY when Blondie shoots Lee Van Cliff into the grave, then his hat & his gun in TOO! CLASSIC! Yeah, Morgan took it bad in UNFORGIVEN :-( LOL
June 8, 2012 10:56 PM
@ Jug, would not worry about what others are going to say about you because this is not a house of changing minds. In fact, I've never ever, no never, seen a commenter come back and admit they were totally wrong about a movie or a person. It just DOES NOT HAPPEN in this environment -- so do your thang. But now, lets talk movies. STRIPED PAJAMAS? Stop... lets keep going, i do not want to hit my pillow with sadness on my face. Damn, was that a terrific movie or what? Now westerns? Okay, since Django is the man of the hour, I have to mention the dramatic shootouts of some of the films you mentioned. First, UNFORGIVEN is not in my top 25 westerns, but the shoot-out scene in the end of the movie is in my top ten. The movie was a bit too slow for me and Morgan Freeman was a chump :-). THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARDLY ROBERT FORD? Great shoot-out scene in their hide-a-way. Definitely in my top ten (shootout, that is). OUTLAW JOSEY WALES , A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS & FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE. THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY? Too many scenes to mention... classics - throw them in the middle of the mix! Now, although you didn't mention Robert Duvall and Open Range, I have to. That ending scene with him and Kevin Costner has to be in my top 5. INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, SCHINDLER'S LIST, A TIME TO KILL, , SIN CITY. 5 stars-5 stars-4 stars, 4 stars respectively. If Django even gets close to any of the movies I mentioned, I'll be satisfied.
June 8, 2012 8:20 PM
@Carey-And BOY IN THE STRIPED PAJAMAS broke my heart man for real.
June 8, 2012 8:05 PM
And Carey-so nobody says "I'm hatin' on them cuz they take issue with the movie" or it's me "bein' better than them" (seems to be the easiest way to get at me of late), I capital "A" agree- that trailer DOES make it look like a white savior movie, but this ain't AMISTAD or A TIME TO KILL. I'm sure it will get recut before long tho. I can't reveal what happens (I didn't even finish the second draft after the one Tambay originally reviewed), but trust it is NOT a white savior movie. It's a Buddy movie, shown in the trailer, and almost a Father/Son relationship in the actual movie. Now, if you wished the white guy wasn't there at all-that's a fair beef. But of course, you can't take my word for it until you see it. Unless you want me to spoil the joint LOL
June 8, 2012 7:47 PM
@Carey-LMBAO I'm sayin' Man! In today's world, I bet everyone would hate Cleavon Little & Mel Brooks for the GENIUS that is BLAZING SADDLES (written in part by the 'King' himself Richard Pryor). All the racial humor in that movie, both at Black & White people's expense and their ridiculousness, people's heads would explode! Satire really is a dying art. I am for sensitivity. I am for a "little" political correctness. I am for cautiousness & a little clearheadedness, BUT DAMN?! Keep Your heads about you & let's relax just a little bit. I mean, really-let's suppose if this movie was made by...umm John Singleton. Who has a little bit more Humor in his movies than Spike. I wonder what the response would be? Would it still be anger? Repulsion? Don't touch it-it's S-L-A-V-E-R-Y. This isn't lampooning slavery mind you, like that bullshit movie Denzel talked about in that clip during his FENCES run (LOVED his response to that mane!). This is a western/action movie set during Slavery. We see more terrible & horrid shit happen to people in an Arnold Schwarzenegger movie (see TOTAL RECALL & COMMANDO). For INGLORIOUS BASTERDS and allll the comparisons, for all the talk about Jews and how Jews this & Jews that & Jews control EVERYTHING, do you think they would let that fucking film geek make a mockery of their most sacred historical event next to getting the hell out of Egypt, the Holocaust?! That first scene-with Christoph Waltz going on & on about Jews being Rats-comparing them to filthy disgusting rodents & an infestation who deserved to be slaughtered just by being born that way-do we really think that movie woulda made the light of day anywhere, much less shoot one damn frame?! I wonder if it's US that haven't gotten it together about Slavery-or at least a bit of perspective to look at something the least little bit objectively. This movie, DJANGO, is no different. It is not "ha ha, look at the darkies, they shoulda been hung, they're nothing but jungle bunnies", but you'd think that with some of the responses to that silly as trailer. Now, the critique of "DJANGO IS OFF THE CHAIN" well, that one is pretty on point (tho I laughed). And hey, if you saw the trailer and said "Aww that looks like it sucks" well cool. I thought TWILIGHT looked like (and is) dogshit, but it made a gazillion dollars, what do I know. But to instantly not like this movie because it is...what-set during Slavery? Has the word Nigger? Features the rape of a Black Woman? Man I wish I could go back and grab all those Maverick Films movies from the 90s where Black women were all Hookers, Junkies & getting raped and murdered made by Black Directors. But Hollywood Video is no more so oh well LOL I just wish we could keep our thinking caps on for this one instead of being so damn reactionary. If folks choose to see it as making light of slavery, oh well. But I bet a bunch of them watched DON'T BE MENACE TO SOUTH CENTRAL WHILE DRINKING YOUR JUICE IN THE HOOD, which made a lampooned the SHIT out of movies which really tried to examine & illustrate the plight & almost systematic extermination of 2 generations of Black people across the country, and laughed their damn asses off!! Oh, but we can do that, because hey that's 'different'.
June 8, 2012 7:14 PM
@ JUG, I didn't catch that. The "Franco Nero-the original Django from the Italian joints"? Wow... you reallly ARE the man. And I'm glad you appreciated the Misha & Jug joke. A person without a sense of humor is like a wagon without springs. It's jolted by every pebble on the road. And check this, I saw your comment in "The Slave Revenge Narrative Many Hoped For And It's Not "Django Unchained" post, and again, you killed it. The same can be said about your recent comment (below). So you've inspired me to give you a nickname: The Show Stopper! Seriously man, don't blush, but you also laid waste to the "If you wanna be an actor" post. The floor went silent after you grabbed the mic. Damn, I don't know exactly what it is, but you seem to have, or find, an insight that many are not looking for, and I don't know why. I don't know if it's your propenisity for brutal honesty or your experiences as a struggling actor, or the fact that you're not held hostage by an agenda formed by others opinions, but you cut straight through the fluff. That leaves me to say the following. If I can paraphrase and combine your recent comments, I believe the jewels can be found right here--> "but concerns given in an extreme view & with vitriol aren't concerns-they're Dogma. And Dogma is DANGEROUS (Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, or a particular group or organization. It is authoritative and NOT to be disputed, DOUBTED, or diverged from, by the practitioners or believers)... Double D... DEE-Dangerous! I'm just saying when you bring Racism, Slavery or Antisemitism into the equation it's reeally hard to have a clear debate or analysis about a thing and just what IT is. Folks had envisioned something much different, uglier, soul searing. And they were a little taken aback that this is not THAT story. To be honest, it's not even an accurately depicted Western. You want that, go watch UNFORGIVEN or THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARDLY ROBERT FORD. Sorry-this ain't that guy. This guy made INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, not SCHINDLER'S LIST or THE BOY IN THE STRIPED PAJAMAS. It's because Tarentino, like him or not, is not making 12 YEARS A SLAVE. It's a popcorn flick y'all!" And BTW Jug, I've seen every movie you mentioned and I loved them all.
June 8, 2012 2:00 PM
"The in-joke with Jamie "It's Django. The 'D' is silent." The guy he's talking to is Franco Nero-the original Django from the Italian joints"I forgot to make that same point too. Very funny in-joke
June 8, 2012 1:32 PM
Ya know Carey, that'd be hilarious LOL But check it, People hear "Slavery" and they go to their respective corners. And then "DING" they come out for Blood. Stupidity in it's natural habitat. But what I've noticed is not many people, if any in most of the comments that I've seen, have bothered to talk about that this is a SPAGHETTI WESTERN SET DURING SLAVERY. This is not ROOTS, it's not about the slave trade, or Nat Turner, or 3/5 a Man. It is pure, unadulterated western mythos revenge fantasy just like THE MAN WITH NO NAME, OUTLAW JOSEY WALES , A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS & FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE. Not to mention the all time great THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY. There's a guy whose family/wife/land were taken from him (stolen, bought, destroyed, murederd, all of the above) and he vowes revenge. No political pandering, no real social relevance. Dude is on straight get back. But many of the comments when the first pictures showed up were "wow, look how clean they look" and such. Folks had envisioned something much different, uglier, soul searing. And they were a little taken aback that this is not THAT story. To be honest, it's not even an accurately depicted Western. You want that, go watch UNFORGIVEN or THE ASSASSINATION OF JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARDLY ROBERT FORD. Sorry-this ain't that guy. This guy made INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, not SCHINDLER'S LIST or THE BOY IN THE STRIPED PAJAMAS. It's because Tarentino, like him or not, is not making 12 YEARS A SLAVE (incidentally a script I had issues with & was kind of bored by). DJANGO a western revenge film. The in-joke with Jamie "It's Django. The 'D' is silent." The guy he's talking to is Franco Nero-the original Django from the Italian joints. Most people, myself included for a long time, only know him as Gen. Esperanza from DIE HARD 2 but dude is big time in those Sergio Leone spaghetti flicks. Quentin loves movies & every movie he makes, he writes to show you just how much he knows (& loves) about that genre. All the characters are references to that genre, all the plot points, places the whole shebang is about whatever genre the movie is set in. That's why they say he "steals" & is unoriginal-which is a fair debate-but dude is just a super duper film geek. I get the fervor about Race & Slavery, but I really think when people see this movie they'll go "wtf, we were pissed about that?!" OR...they'll hate it because white people died at the hands of a black man & a black woman was "brutalized" LOL (btw, nobody says shit when white women are raped or brutalized in movies like LAST HOUSE ON THE LEFT, AMERICAN PSYCHO or SIN CITY & Black Women are denigrated in THE COLOR PURPLE or FOR COLORED GIRLS but I guess that's 'different'). Then it'll be clear that the ugliness of Slavery & it's historic Racist after effects are what we really have the issue with, not this movie. Trust, this movie is not BIRTH OF A NATION LOL
June 8, 2012 12:34 PM
LMAO! Stop it Bondgirl, you're gonna get us kicked off the stoop. "racist whites & militant blacks" ... "fist-pumpers"... "Nat Turner or nothing less"... "the shrine of McQueen's been laid since last year"... Woman, you is a mess, and I love that in you. And you're right, er'body can't be right. So who's fooling whom? I got it, we should ask Misha, or Jug, or both **snicker**
June 8, 2012 10:23 AM
@Carey, I find it interesting that racist whites and militant blacks both despise the making of this film. Somebody's got to be wrong here, both groups can't be right. Well, maybe they can if they are pouting for different reasons...the racists are mad bc they think we should move on from slavery, and the fist-pumpers are saying it should be Nat Turner or nothing less. Funny, 'cause Stevie ain't making a Nat Turner narrative either, but you already know the shrine of McQueen's been laid since last year.
June 7, 2012 10:33 PM
Yeah Neziah, in fact, Jug and I was just talking about that. It's not only Yahoo... sport's site, political blogs and even The Food Network, practically ever site on the web is filled with racist scum. But it was interesting to see their take on Django. You know, their interests and their focus. I would say 50 persent of the comments had a racial slant, yet some focused on the actors. Some would like to have seen Samuel Jackson in the lead role and other were happy to see DiCaprio playing a villian. A few said Jamie was not right for the part... a sentiment shared by Misha. I don't believe anyone mentioned the "white savior" angle.
June 7, 2012 10:17 PM
Yeah, the Yahoo comments are always filled with filthy racist scum. I have to wash my hands after every visit.
June 7, 2012 9:03 PMReply
As someone who has no plans to see this movie, I have to admit the trailer was pretty good...aside from Jamie Foxx making crazy "Soloist" eyes. Looked like a fun, kick ass movie.What was up with that last scene, though? Looked and felt super-modern.
June 7, 2012 9:01 PMReply
I'm highly disturbed by the portrayal of Django's wife and Leo DiCaprio's character, as a seemingly consensual and apparent romance. Ummmm no. Try again. Curious what "justice" the film will do to what seems like another historical revision.
June 8, 2012 10:28 AM
No way in hell the relationship between Kerry & Leo is consensual. It might be explored in his other slaves (the newest version of the script I read), but not Broomhilda.
Charles Judson |
June 8, 2012 9:02 AM
Meant to add to that last comment, it's because of dynamics like that that it's understandable people would have such a visceral reaction to anything that might remotely resemble a White Savior. As a son, it would be devastating and feel like a betrayal, as a Black person, it would feel like an insult and another layer of control. Lots of these emotions have become part of the American fabric. I'm just not sure how a "more accurate" film or even series of films are supposed to reduce something that complex into a digestible chunk that will make America as a whole "get it". No offense, but even we like to simplify Slavery and our own history, for good reasons and bad, for selfless and selfish ends, as much as White people.
Charles Judson |
June 8, 2012 8:35 AM
Also, I'm not saying Tarantino is exploring this or addressing this. Just pointing out that consensual relationships were not unheard of. And, as a thought experiment, imagine being given your freedom and land, but knowing it was given not as a father to a son, but as some sort of "charity" that implies you wouldn't be able to survive by your own wits.
Charles Judson |
June 8, 2012 8:25 AM
Yes, it can be consensual. Many states and territories developed a complex and unwritten set of social rules to manage and condone consensual relationships between slaves and slave owners, as well as free Blacks and Whites. Louisiana (thanks to Spain and France's laws and attitudes) being the territory where it was probably the most overt. It wasn't unheard of for the children of a slave owner's mistress to be given their freedom, and to even be given land or money, when the slave owner died. The irony was that in some parts of the country it was easier for a slave owner to include his "bastard" children in his will (as along as he didn't acknowledge them as his children) than it was for a White man to include his born free children without suffering the social consequences. Something that was not only based on race and controlling Blacks (the kindly White man still "protecting" his poor slaves even in death), but was also legally based on the concept that children were the property of the father and the mother had no legal authority. A concept that lasted well into the 20th century and would lead to an overreaction in child custody cases to favor the mother over the father as a corrective. Slavery would have neatly fit into that patriarchal tradition that goes back to ancient Greece and would find it's way into all manners of systems, like apprenticeship. I wish we'd stop making Slavery sound like this one to one binary relationship. Slaves and Owners, neatly divided. It was much more complex than that. It's that complexity that has made the psychological and sociological legacy of Slavery so difficult to untangle, understand and shed 150 years later.
June 7, 2012 10:48 PM
Oh, okay. My mistake. Even so, is their relationship supposed to be consensual?
June 7, 2012 10:19 PM
The actress is Nichole Robinson who used to be a Victoria's Secret model.
June 7, 2012 9:38 PM
@Nat, the Black woman's hand Leo's kissing is not Django's wife. Django's wife is played by Kerry Washington. Those are two different actresses.
June 7, 2012 7:58 PMReply
SMH.... this looks a LOT worse than I expected..
June 7, 2012 5:47 PMReply
Waka FlockaThe GameBasketball WivesChris BrownRed TailsAll Big Momma's House moviesI just named 6 things off the top of my head that should be more offensive to black people than this movie. ITS A MOVIE. Did the jews cry when he made Inglorious Basterds? You have to be black now to create a movie loosely based on black history? How fucking ignorant do you have to be? Go feel sorry for yourself on your own time. Not to mention none of you idiots have even seen the movie. I mean... Jesus Christ. Go find something else "racist" to cry about.
June 7, 2012 9:56 PM
I came name two more: Dre and Picking Goods
Picking Goods |
June 7, 2012 6:01 PM
Black people always bitch about racism in the most irrelevant situations, and end up making themselves look stupid in the process.
June 7, 2012 5:57 PM
Exactly. A lot of ignorance in these comments. I bet most of these same people secretly love blaxploitation movies, yet they shun a modern one? There are also way too many assumptions based on a short trailer. The movie isn't out, people, lighten up.
June 7, 2012 3:32 PMReply
I feel bad for any uncle tom house negros who pay to see this movie. If you're black, please, download this movie and don't support it financially.
James Evans from the Cabrini-Green |
June 7, 2012 3:32 PMReply
Slave exploitation? I'll pass. Yall fools enjoy. Next question.
June 7, 2012 3:40 PM
Word. About 10 minutes of Goodbye Uncle Tom was enough slave exploitation entertainment for me.
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June 7, 2012 12:19 AMReply
The fact that this is not a black-helmed film, the previous revelations about the plot, and now this light-hearted trailer definitely leave me concerned about the ultimate outcome. I'll try not to be a killjoy and reserve my opinion until I see it, but I honestly don't expect much. I'm just concerned about how insensitive and reckless it has the potential to be handled. BTW, am I the only one troubled by the "Django is off the chain" tagline?
Charles Judson |
June 7, 2012 2:35 PM
I'm always open to to the possibilities of a film being a disappointment, flawed or a right out failure. And I'm always open to being convinced I am wrong, that's why I engage in these discussions. In this case I'm not even arguing if the film is any good. I'm not even trying to defend it, since I haven't seen it. As for my opinion of you, note I limited my comment to this particular conversation. I don't know what you're like beyond this or on any other topics. I don't know what kind of person you are in real life. Some of my best friends (going on 12 years plus in some cases) were people I heatedly debated online before I met them offline. Therefore I hold no position about you. Be it a person or a film, I don't find it fair to judge on such limited information.
June 7, 2012 2:16 PM
Charles, that's funny, considering that you likely held that opinion before even responding to my post. So maybe you should have posed that question to yourself beforehand?
June 7, 2012 2:09 PM
Oh, Carey. You too are pulling out the cheap and utterly irrelevant "playing the victim card?" Please direct me to any post where I attempted to garner any sympathy/pity. And no, pointing out that there are folk in this thread who are calling out critics of this film isn't tantamount to "playing the vicitim." It's called stating the facts. Perhaps you need to go back and look at some of the comments? You can start by going to your intial post where you thought it necessary to offer a preemptive strike against the "artistic and snobby woe is we crowd." Now, I don't take a offense to that, partly because I know it's merely Carey on the defensive but I think it's fitting to point that out, given your own history of bemoaning what you see as racist/racial elements of other tv shows and films. But you're right, "irony" isn't a dreaded disease (never suggested that it was) but hypocrisy is...or at least, it should be.
Charles Judson |
June 7, 2012 1:45 PM
Your position and goals remain intractable. What's to be gained by any further discussion?
June 7, 2012 1:40 PM
June 7, 2012 1:33 PM
Misha, don't-even-try-it. Irony you say? Attacking those who point out the films flaws? Do tell. I believe you're simply doing what I call the "white girl cry". You're painting yourself as the victim while exaggerating the obvious in an attempt to garner sympathy and pity from those who may be misinformed. To that point, I have no idea what Bondgirl and I supposedly did in the "Shame" tread that compelled you to drop the dreaded "IRONY" tag. Yeah, as if "irony", in the first place, is a dreaded disease. And listen, what you've conveniently framed as "attacking those who dare point out the film's flaws" is a perfect example of exaggeration and misrepresenting the truth. If you've been paying attention, I counter snide disrespectful innuendos directed at those who ARE NOT having a pissy fit over the context of the film. You and others can point out your preceived "flaws" until the cows come home... but if YOU or they "attack" (even on the low-low) don't cry when the mud spatters back on you.
Charles Judson |
June 7, 2012 11:48 AM
June 7, 2012 11:29 AM
"Misha et al, you have not seen the movie. It's not even done. You can't point out the movie's flaws.">>>Says who? I don't need to see the movie to point out what I see as flaws. Relying on the played out white/black buddy shtick? Flaw. Employing the painfully trite "white savior" trope? Flaw. Kerry in a long weave? Flaw. Lame ass tagline? Flaw.
Charles Judson |
June 7, 2012 10:32 AM
Misha et al, you have not seen the movie. It's not even done. You can't point out the movie's flaws. Can you point out the flaws in the marketing? Can you take issue with the trailer? Yes. So rip the trailer to shreds, it's there to critique, which is fair. Be skeptical about what is possibly in the movie because of what's in the trailer? Also fair. Tear into the script that was available? Yes. It was available in its entirety. However, the trailer, script and the movie are separate entities. I can't want to see DJANGO UNCHAINED. However, I'm not some blind Tarantino acolyte who blindly worships at the QT altar. If what he's created drops the ball I'll say so. Till it comes out I'll reserve judgement.
June 7, 2012 10:10 AM
Carey, I can't help but note the irony of you (and the likes of Bondgirl) defending this movie and calling out those who take issue with it, when ya'll were all up in every Shame thread essentially doing what you're accusing others of doing here. Oh, the irony!
June 7, 2012 9:59 AM
Priss, my jaw dropped only because it's such a lame attempt to be wity. That's the best Tarantino could come up with? This is the kind of juvenile humor that has his fanboys all excited and attacking those who dare point out the film's flaws? Really? Alas, I guess that shouldn't comes as a surprise, given that said juvenile humor represents the larger problem with this film. Tarantino had the opportunity to make a classic revisionist history tale that was actually bold and fresh and exciting. He could have done whatever he wanted. Instead, he chose to regurgitate the same old, tired Hollywood tropes, taking the easy/lazy way out...as he did with that sorry ass tagline.
June 7, 2012 9:18 AM
@ Priss-cess and the Brothaman, I am suggesting that you CANNOT come in here and insult us with your quasi-intellectual stance, and not expect a heartfelt ass whoopin'. If you have a problem with the movie and the tagline, you should reach in your heart to find out why. Because it's not cool to project your "shame" upon us.
June 7, 2012 8:50 AM
OH BOTHER... Django is off the chain. And what? Do tell us uneducated barefoot and black minions, what we are missing. But wait, maybe it's Priss and Thee Brother who has the closed unimagative mind. Maybe it thee who gets what they are looking for? Lets see... Off the chain -- in some vernaculars -- means something exuberant, new and exciting. Now, it goes without question that Django was released from the shackles of slavery, so the wording appropriately describes his freedom. So let me quess what Miss Socrates and the Brother from the other side of the tracks were referring to? No, I think I'll let them (the deep thinkers) show their own weakness while they pretend they're pulling our coats and putting us on the real deal. But I will say "Hey Heckle & Jeckle, take off those blue-eye contact lenses and free your mind"
June 7, 2012 3:52 AM
My jaw dropped at the "off the chain" final tagline. Unbelievable. I'm horrified that all these people aren't horrified. Yes, everyone is in a different place in maturation and education. But this response is troubling. We have so so far to go. It is very sad. Glad to see a few people below with some sense. Just a few though.
June 7, 2012 12:04 AMReply
I see a whole lot of complaining, but I guess most of you can't even appreciate a film with a black cast being in the spotlight without giving it negative connotations. It's an exploitation movie homage that is meant to simply entertain, so quit throwing a bitch fit about it. Regardless, all the controversy will only aid the film's success. You're doing exactly what Tarantino wants you to do, so the haters can keep on hating.
June 7, 2012 6:54 PM
'Btw, that reminds me, why do you even visit post on this movie? You've said you will never watch a movie LIKE THIS.'--btw, this reminds me of the one who stayed on every.single.Shame.thread like it was his j-o-b, marching with picket signs drawn with crayons. What was his name again..., oh that's right. This is the first time I have joined this online cluster freak about this movie. If you don't want me to address you, keep my screen name out your mouth.
June 7, 2012 6:42 PM
Okay Blutopaz, I'll take your last remark under consideration. But in the interim, does this mean you don't want your lawn jockey lanterns and Aunt Jermima handkerchiefs? Let me remind you that you may need your weapons of choice. I mean, aren't you the same angry black BluTopaz chickie who said: " Word! Now I'm going to find my red, black and green revolution jumpsuit and throw a few molotov cocktails". Sure you are, so were you kidding (as kids will do) or do you need your lantern and headrag before you raid the headquarters of the evil Tarantino Mob? Then again, maybe it's you, my dear, who needs to grow up and smell the roses. If not, your anger, contempt and jealousy will eat you alive. Btw, that reminds me, why do you even visit post on this movie? You've said you will never watch a movie LIKE THIS. So what's your real purpose in commenting? Don't tell me you're TLCing? Hanging out the passenger side of your best friend's ride trying to holler at me. Listen Bluto, I don't want no scrub. A scrub is a gal that can't get no love from me, hanging out the passenger side of your best friend's car, talkin' bout Jango like you are the star. I don't want no scrub tryin to holler at me -- so stop instigating, please please please.
June 7, 2012 6:38 PM
Neziah, coonish is defined as happy negroes who grin when they are thrown a bone-that should sound familiar as well. And I never said this movie is going to be "the end for Black people", even though a lot of you are behaving as if defending it means you are sticking up for artistic freedom, etc. And you have every right to put money in QT's bank account, have fun. Speaking of which, many White filmmakers know there are many negroes who love movies that reinforce stereotypes as you astutely noted. You look up another group of people who crave distorted, exaggerated or EXPLOITED imagery of themselves, and get back to me.
June 7, 2012 6:23 PM
@ Blutopaz - Learn the definition of coonish and then get back to me. BTW, Tarantino knows he's gonna put black butts in seats with this film too, so don't act like it's a different situation. "Mandingo" was an exploitation film about slavery too, but it was a guilty pleasure just like the blaxploitation movies many blacks seem to love despite them reinforcing stereotypes. You're acting like a film like this is going to be the end for black people, and that's pathetic. If anything, a film about a badass black cowboy is a positive thing in this day and age. I see a lot of hypocrisy in these comments and not a whole lot of logic.
June 7, 2012 6:16 PM
@ Neziah--Like a lot of blaxploitation flicks, Nigger Charly was directed by a White director who knew he could put Black butts in seats with a movie about a Black man who gets even. Sound familiar? To refer to this gleefully and specifically as an "exploitation" flick you can't wait to see is all kinds of coonish. What kind of Black person wants to see an EXPLOITATION movie about slavery? btw speaking of Jackie Brown, I didn't love it so QT didn't have to write it for me. But "nigga repellant" became part of my vocabulary after watching that movie-lol
June 7, 2012 5:50 PM
@ Blutopaz - Way to judge a movie that's not even out yet. Unlike you, I don't look for negativity in something I know little about. Since you look down on this film, you must also hate "Boss Nigger", "The Legend of Nigger Charley", and all the other similar blaxploitation movies meant to entertain black audiences. Tarantino said it himself that he made "Jackie Brown" for black audiences, and I'm sure he made this film for the same reason, so why all the hate? Sure, the trailer was far from outstanding, but a better trailer will probably be released in a few months. By the way, I never said I would pay to see the film or be there on opening day, but I sure as hell will watch it somehow.
June 7, 2012 3:44 PM
correction--i meant slaveploitation. But you all have fun munching your popcorn.
June 7, 2012 3:21 PM
pssst-carey, stop always trying to instigate, asking for backup because you just got beat up on the playground. Grow up.And that is no "inference". Thankfully there are Black people with sense (some in this thread) who are not treating opening day of this flick like it will be 4th of July and JuneTeenth all rolled into one blaxploitation homage package served by QT.
June 7, 2012 1:44 PM
Pssst... Misha.... read Blutopaz's comment and then decide who's attacking whom? I mean, it's obvious her inference is not an olive branch.
June 7, 2012 12:57 PM
How effed up is it that there are negroes gleefully anticipating a slave exploitation movie, and referring to critics as the ever intelligent "hater". Maybe QT will offer free lanterns and handkerchiefs to every Black ticket buyer.
Charles Judson |
June 6, 2012 11:31 PMReply
It is enjoyable to see people condemn an entire film based off a 2 minute and 36 second trailer. Makes me wonder why we even question the wisdom of concluding an all Black cast makes a film more difficult to sale or will only appeal to the Urban Domestic Market, and not anyone over seas. Or be upset that folks see a film by a Black filmmaker and instantly feel it won't be worth their time. Seriously, as a collective of filmmakers, we really do seem to like taking on the characteristics of the people we supposedly despise or have issues with and reapplying it, only with a "Black" brush. Healthy skepticism I expect and encourage. It's how as artists we grow and challenge ourselves. As a screenwriter, as a film reviewer, and as festival programmer, I firmly believe one should never go into a film expecting the best or worse and regardless of what you see, reaching the conclusions you already expected. Baseless cynicism and subjective conclusions filtered through limited view points I find both disappointing and confing. It's been 26 years since SHE'S GOTTA HAVE IT, 32 years since Sidney Poitier became the first Black director to have a $100 million film, two decades since the supposed Black film boom of the 1990s (which is more of a blip than anything substantial) and we're still effectively in the same freaking place. No offense, but I did this dance when I was 19. At 39, I don't plan on pushing the rock up the hill when I'm 59.
June 7, 2012 11:09 PM
...not so enjoyable for me. I haven't actually seen the film so I am hesitant to defend it since I am not confident that it won't offend my sensibilities, but again... I haven't seen the film, so I am disappointed by the very clear conclusions made based on the trailer especially the White male as savior thesis. Bah...Humbug...
Charles Judson |
June 6, 2012 11:33 PM
confining* I really do hate how often I drop, transcribe or misspell words.
June 6, 2012 11:26 PMReply
June 6, 2012 10:57 PMReply
Still a white savior film where a the black man has little to no lines and his black wife is raped repeatedly. And no James Brown is going to change that!
Carlton Jordan |
June 6, 2012 10:55 PMReply
Cant wait to see this...despite the culture police and Black film snobs protesting it. Actually, makes me want to see it more. Ever since this site sold out to Indie Wire, it's gotten a little militant.
June 6, 2012 10:14 PMReply
CAN WE JUST ADMIT IT, WE ARE ALL UNDERWHELMED???