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We Now Have The Exact Day & Time For OWN's Broadcast Premiere Of 'Dark Girls'

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by Tambay A. Obenson
June 11, 2013 6:54 PM
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We now have an exact day and time for the OWN network broadcast premiere date for Bill Duke's and D. Channsin Berry's documentary, Dark Girls

It was on May 1 when it was revealed that the film would be heading to Oprah Winfrey's burgeoning network in June, but no specific details were available at the time.

We've now learned that Dark Girls will premiere on OWN on SundayJune 23rd, at 10pm ET.

The film had been traveling the film festival circuit since its TIFF debut in the fall of 2011, and, at one time, seemed like it would get a theatrical release, but that never happened.

So if you didn't see it while it toured the festival circuit (and I'm sure most of you didn't), you'll get your chance to do so in just under 2 weeks from today.

Also, expect follow-up films to Dark Girls, including: Yellow Brick Road, which will look at the *colorism* issue from the fairer-skinned black woman's point of view (Dark Girls was from the darker-skinned black woman's POV); and What Is A Man, which will explore what masculinity and manhood is, from the beginning of humanity to the present.

No word yet on when we can expect either of the 2 follow-up films.

Here's a 10-minute preview of Dark Girls below:

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59 Comments

  • JOEI DYES | June 14, 2013 8:05 PMReply

    Wow! Powerful! Can't wait to see this. It'll be difficult to sit through...so painful...but extremely necessary. This documentary should be shown in the high school classroom for sure...

  • CJ Autumn | June 14, 2013 12:39 PMReply

    Correction: article referenced in comment below was in 2003 issue, not 1993, in DiversityInc.

  • CJ Autumn | June 14, 2013 12:35 PMReply

    I look forward to seeing this documentary.
    America too often overlooks the diversity that exists in dark skin people. Dark pigment alone does not define one's ethnicity. Yet Americans will automatically place dark skin into the box of Black /African americans, whether they are or not. If Gael Monfils (Tennis professional) came to live in America he'd be called black or African/American, even though Gael is French and was born in Paris.
    Focusing on dark pigment prevents one from seeing the true essence of an individual. If we could get passed the darkness, underneath you'd often find eclectic, multiethnic individuals with different customs - different cuisine - different celebrations - different experiences -- a uniqueness all their own often ignored by many corporations who claim their diversity programs are "inclusive" -- when in fact, they lump everyone into boxes forcing you to choose one even though you don't feel you fit in either. The very people born to "think out of the box" are the very people that get the least attention within corporate diversity programs.

    This is why people will say, "I'm not black I'm Haitian." "I'm not black, I'm Bahamian" - or - as Tony Okungbowa, the dark skinned DJ for "The Ellen DeGeneres show" might say - I'm not black, I'm British-American born in England, United Kingdom. Dark skinned people are standing up for who they really are, and they're not going to let America or a corporation define them because of a pigment.
    Dark skin prejudice / stereotyping occurs among Latinos, specifically "Latinegras" - those who are both Latina and Black. In the fall of 2003, dark skinned Latinegra Veronica Chambers, born in Panama and the author of the children's book, "Quinceanera" (meaning Sweet Fifteen)," was not well received when she went to promote her book at a book festival. According to the article in the October/November 1993 fall issue of "DiversityInc" titled, "Shades of Brown: The often overlooked diversity of African Americans" -- Veronica was told by the organizer of the event, "This is the Hispanic family book fair" to which Veronica responded, "I know, that's what I'm here for."
    Unlike the other promoters that, one can assume, had light pigment, Veronica was told to wait in the back until time for her appearance. She stated, "I waited back there for three hours and then finally they said, 'No, you're not going on."
    The fact this organizer used the term "Hispanic" was no doubt hurtful to Veronica. The term "Latino" is often the preferred term rather than Hispanic because it represents not just Spanish -- Mexican, Puerto Rican, Venezuelan -- everyone, regardless of skin color.

  • FactChecker | June 13, 2013 7:12 PMReply

    It would be nice if Oprah interviewed Bill Duke, preceding the program, about the project.

  • GOLDENPEN | June 13, 2013 2:36 AMReply

    @CG that's exactly what I am implying thanks for overstating that for me!!!............ Also skin tone and facial features are not concurrent factors otherwise, you and I wouldn't be having this little sidebar if that were so. What I did state is that I believe that being dark enhanced my perceived beauty and made no mention of my being cherished for my personal features, and here I am thinking it's cause of all this chocolate skin for all these years...STUNNED!!!!! What I am offering up is my individual " dark" perspective.

  • CG | June 12, 2013 11:54 PMReply

    @ Goldenpen, of course you can say whatever you feel. But in your candor, you are overlooking the point that BEAUTY is subjective and encompasses many things (although you seem to equate it with European features). No one is claiming that skin tone is the SOLE basis on which African Americans are differentiated from one another. Of course facial features matter in this and other Western societies; I've already acknowledged that. What I am saying is that the fact that skin color had been irrelevant for YOU because of your particular features doesn't mean it is irrelevant for everyone (i.e., what you referred to in your original post as a "little known secret."). No one is denying that persons with Euro/Anglo features are privileged in America. But if you place two "average"-looking persons of color with similar features side by side and one of them is several shades lighter than the other, they will often be treated differently. And no one is saying America is completely intolerant of melanin either, so your reference to tanning is moot. What this documentary depicts is that for some black women, experiences dating far back to childhood have taught them that someone in the world values them less on account of the color of their skin. Sounds like you want to tell these women, "guess what? It's not your skin color. It's that you're ugly." That doesn't even make sense. Skin tone and facial features are concurrent factors, NOT mutually exclusive ones. And darker-hued women are more likely to possess features that are not Euro/Anglo. How wonderful for you that you were cherished and admired on account of your features. Please don't use that as a basis to invalidate the experiences of other women.

  • Pam | June 12, 2013 10:02 PMReply

    I'm so glad this documentary is finally being shown. I've been trying to chase it down in the theaters in my area to no avail. Can't wait to sit down an watch w/my beautiful brown sistahs, and my gorgeous daughter. Being called 'lite bright an damn near white', most of my life my heart aches for my sistahs because I too was teased and harassed because I wasn't 'black' enough. Bring on the box of tissues. ;-)

  • dee | June 12, 2013 9:32 PMReply

    I feel this subject needs to be addressed. Our ppl have been, not only been oppressed by one race they have been oppressed by family members and friends. This issue is still current. Itis not only in the black race it is in other cultural race as well.

  • Amina | June 12, 2013 7:08 PMReply

    Reading the comments and truly understanding just how deep and pervasive this issue is among people of color and others justifies the need for a documentary of this nature. Further exploration is required for when 'sensitive' topics are introduced to the public for scrutiny; it's the beginning not the end of a justifiable endeavor. One, by the way, that is in need of a more developed and consummate perspective that appreciates a myriad of viewpoints. I'm glad Oprah took on the documentary and I believe she will also schedule the 'Yellow Brick Road' for there are always a number of ways to look at any phenomenon. The fact that folks say that they suffer demands our attention and compassion. Period!!!

  • GOLDENPEN | June 12, 2013 6:20 PMReply

    @CG can I just be candid.... an "unattractive"person whose light skin which is considered a hallmark of beauty, gets no more of a pass than an" unattractive" dark skin person with long flowing hair which is also considered a hallmark of beauty. The more recognizable markers of westernized beauty that you posses the more you are considered beautiful in American culture. It is not isolated to color. What would this documentary look like if they only used dark -skin traditionally beautiful women. Their stories would contrast greatly to average looking women light or dark . We live in a culture where BEAUTY is exulted. If being too dark was so objectionable there wouldn't be a tanning industry bolstered by billions of dollar. This same documentary could have focused on these women's other features and would have been just as divisive. A lot of times we internalize discrimination and we look for reasons why. But in truth hate in any form is just insidious and when we try to make sense of it it causes pain because we have aligned with something that we know deep down is untrue and that is where the pain comes from. The outside world will always find reasons to reject individuals if they are different then the majority, this is no different and no more polarizing.

  • docpooh | June 12, 2013 5:55 PMReply

    Colorism is such a taboo topic in the African-American community. It is embarrassing and shameful, particularly since the “Black is Beautiful/I’m Black and Proud” 1960’s & 70’s. The attitudinal preference for “fair” skin is a vestigial tail from our colonized heritage. Skin bleaching products are not as widely advertised as they were in the early part of the 20th century. (But check out Africa and India now!) Colorism is discomforting and regressive to 21st century, “aware” Blacks, so we deny or ignore it. But it is real and it seems to exist in almost every area of the planet in which there was colonial usurpation. Scholars like bell hooks call it psychological splitting: conscious denial that Black people are inferior, unconscious acceptance of the message that Black skin is undesirable. Iron chains are infinitely easier to shed than the intangible ones binding our psyches.

  • CG | June 12, 2013 5:03 PMReply

    @ Goldenpen, your experience does not negate the fact that lighter skin is considered/treated as privileged in the Western world. If you listen carefully to the stories in the trailer, you will hear that women with so-called "ideal" features are indeed viewed differently, and in many cases are told that they are pretty IN SPITE OF their complexions, not that they are recognized as a beautiful whole. Yes, overall features, facial shape and structure do influence perceptions of beauty (and one might get a "pass" because of them). But skin tones and hair types ALSO influence such perceptions... that is undeniable.

  • mawon | June 13, 2013 10:59 PM

    @Nikoteen Get out of here with that tragic mulatto mess.

  • Nikoteen Gum | June 13, 2013 9:19 PM

    I'm gonna say it. I think there is MORE racism towards mixed women, coming from both sides of the aisle. People think mixed race women have more privilege and often times they are denied the very thing folks think they are getting handed, and end up with nothing. It's true. The evilness, the envy, the competition (from black AND white women,) the misunderstanding; lack of roles because one doesn't "fit" into a "black stereotype." I've seen it with my own eyes. Lived it. Horrid. Everyone sucks. Black and white.

  • goldenpen | June 12, 2013 4:27 PMReply

    I want to let everyone in on a little know secret of the black "dark skin"community .Being a dark skin women myself. It is NOT ...the color of your skin western culture in general responds negatively to. It is if you are closer to a Caucasian standard of physical beauty in which the majority of western culture responds "favorably" to. You can be dark as mid-night but if you have "Caucasian" features you will be just as revered and worshiped like a black Hindu Goddess, by blacks, browns and whites alike. When you are closer to the ideal standard of beauty people treat you better period. Not only do you not hear critiques about your color but people will consider it remarkable. It is not an issue of color that keep us from being perceived as beautiful anyone with eyes can see black skin is beautiful. But I am sorry to say it is how we physically look , eyes, hair,lips,nose,teeth, body type that people respond favorable or adversely to. I have been dark all my life but never have I felt the pain of being dark, I believed being dark didn't depreciate my beauty , it enhanced it. I appreciate these women's stories but what this documentary focuses on is dark skin and co-mingle that with standards of beauty. These women that are in the documentary just don't fit society's "standard of beauty" physically and that may be the larger issue and skin color is just a secondary minor issue.

  • mawon | June 12, 2013 10:44 AMReply

    It' hard to tell from the trailer, but I am a little annoyed that the focus is only on black people. As if we invented these attitudes. As if they're not reinforced by white America.

  • sagevalentine | June 12, 2013 10:41 AMReply

    This is my second time watching this trailer and I have the same reaction that I always had......this is so sad. What hurts the most is the idea that this dark skinned idea is not just an epidemic of the black community. There are latin american women who suffer through this. East Indian women who feel their deep skin tone is an abomination. I am looking forward to watching this finally.

    It is true that the black community adopted this form of racism from slavery and yes we perpetuate it. Yet, Hollywood continues this as another commenter said by uplifting lighter skinned women and pushing darker skinned women to the side.

  • Akimbo | June 13, 2013 11:07 PM

    Every black actress on the CW this season except Aisha Hinds and Freema A was biracial and/or light-skinned. You can start there, then start opening your eyes to all the no-talent light-brights polluting the industry. There are so many, they give the actually talented ones a bad name.

  • Nikoteen Gum( | June 13, 2013 9:09 PM

    O M G. Sooooo sick of hearing light skinned women get all the work! Ha! Prove it! Mathematically, prove it! You can't! You can only point out a few mega stars (mostly in music) but the bulk of regular parts on television, movies, even commercials, are dark skinned. (I'm talking the stuff that pays REAL actresses bills. Jobs, you know what I mean??! Not the mega celebrity, but your every day not rich, not poor, working actress) those parts are 95% dark skinned. Almost NO mixed women in regular parts. Occasionally, a twenty something model or two in a fashion ad, but that's about it. Don't believe me? Take a closer look. Where are the, light skinned, mixed actresses co-star and guest starring in film and television? Very rare.

  • CC | June 12, 2013 9:40 AMReply

    Here we go again, the house is full of victims, perpetrators and the ambivalent... what we gonna do now? What is the goal/purpose of this doc and ensuing conversations?

    Is the purpose another platform geared toward "look at me, woe is me", or is it an avenue focused on catharsis? I hope it's the latter because without serious consequences the perpetrator and the ambivalent will never change, so shinning a light on them is a fruitless effort. Stated another way, when I look at the history of racist individuals, highlighting their evil ways has little affect on their entrenched attitudes. Not until they face dire consequences will they even consider changing.

    The same can be said about the arena of The Dark Woman vs. The Fairer-Skinned Black woman. Without dire consequences humans seldom change. So tick-tock the beat don't stop, although the dynamics are changed (somewhat), there are still "victims" and "perpetrators" on the scene.

    I am suggesting that "change" - in this arena -- is incumbent upon the "victim" because they face the largest consequences if they do not seek a change of attitude (self-image) which starts within.

    In short, I hope this doc, future docs of this nature and the ensuing conversations are not another woe is me, point our fingers and bitch and moan session. Instead, I hope it's a foundation for catharsis.

  • mawon | June 14, 2013 12:34 PM

    Ain't nobody got time to sit here and explain to you how non-violent protests work. That's between you and your 7th grade history teacher.

  • CC | June 13, 2013 9:42 AM

    Settle down Mawon. Take a look at my last comment to JMac ( I was answering YOU). And no, I was not trying to insult you. I was merely suggesting (making a joke) that the mail (information) from the US might take awhile to reach your home.

    But while I am here, I'll add a little something. MLK did NOT shame the whole country into changing its attitudes about race. SHAME? The WHOLE country? Are you serious? How in the world did you come to that conclusion?! But please, please humor me, bring back those whose attitudes were changed by this "shame" you speak of.

  • mawon | June 13, 2013 9:13 AM

    Lol, I'm in Haiti? And how would that be evidence of my ignorance? Is that supposed to be insulting? Everyone's offering me pie on here these days, but I've yet to receive any. Much easier to talk shit than to actually rebut.

  • CC | June 12, 2013 3:48 PM

    Mawon, I am beginning to believe you love me more than you say. I can't think of any other reason for you to be begging for my tender touch? I mean, surely you know your reply holds no weight, no merit whatsoever, right?

    So considering the fact that you're in Haiti and obviously very young, you might receive your Amercan business a little late. So I'm going to give you about 6 hours to reconsider what you said. After that time I'll come back and tell you what "shame" has never succeeded in doing. Also, I'll be back to give solid examples and supporting data of what really works and does not work in the efforts of propelling human's to change their entrenched attitudes and habits.

    So get to work or get ready to eat humble pie.

  • saadiyah | June 12, 2013 11:18 AM

    @MAWON - Well said!

  • mawon | June 12, 2013 10:37 AM

    Tell me when in history group attitudes only changed when they faced dire consequences? Cause I seem to remember MLK shaming the whole country into changing its attitudes about race. Going from black folk swinging on trees to a black President.

    I remember when in one generation we went from countless celebrities in the closet to countless celebrities out and proud. Now I'm not saying we have arrived on any of those issues, lord know we have a ways to go. But nobody can deny that things are vastly different from 50 years ago, and it didn't take dire consequences to make it happen. It was through discussion, education and straight-out shaming.

    Like some people said down below, most people who harbor these anti-dark skin sentiments are either not aware of it or not aware that there's something wrong with it. That's the purpose of films like these-- to get people to think about their own attitudes so they can make active moves to change it or atleast make an effort to not pass it on to their children.

  • No | June 12, 2013 9:11 AMReply

    I went back and fully looked at this without promoting my own project (bad form on my part and I apologize), but this is still unappealing because it is going over the same issue ad infinitum.

    None of the women I notice are what would be called "jet-black," that is, have a darkness to their complexion that there is a blue tone to their skin -- and I seen some very beautiful women such as this. This is a 9-minute trailer of tedious boredom of the numerous women saying the same thing. There is no exploration, at least from the trailer, of the good, the bad, and the ugly.

    It's not very interesting and I'm surprised that an experienced filmmaker such as Bill Duke would turn out such a "trailer." I see why this didn't make it: it is boring.

    By the way, isn't Michelle Obama a DG? Oprah Winfrey? The Venus and Serena Williams? Viola Davis? Cicely Tyson? Gabrielle Union? Whoopi Goldberg? Are these women in it?

  • Twanda "Aisha" Jackson | June 12, 2013 3:52 AMReply

    I have always lived this...and it still exist..

  • Twanda "Aisha" Jackson | June 12, 2013 3:54 AM

    Thats why I kick the door in black everyday..

  • Twanda "Aisha" Jackson | June 12, 2013 3:46 AMReply

    i know this ....

  • Africameleon | June 12, 2013 1:38 AMReply

    This looks like a great film that covers a topic that needs to be discussed and a prejudice that needs to be exposed. I hope it will come to VOD and DVD soon.

  • James Madison | June 12, 2013 12:18 AMReply

    Films like this definitely should exist. It exposes a problem that is there, but if some filmmakers are earnest in looking for a solution, and I believe I mentioned this before - Why not make a film with 'Dark Girls"

    I believe there was a campaign to raise money for this film and I mentioned, why not use that money to fund a narrative with Dark Girls with natural hair, perm weave different shades and shapes etc.

    A lot of energy goes into the problem, so why not recognize the problem and create images that are contrary?

    It is the media perception that focuses on the stereotypes and the casting of what the standard of beauty is.

    Also, Oprah/OWN as a showcase facilitator of this film, seems to quickly gravitate to the downtrodden and depressed aspects within the community of color. There has been other films such as The Great Debaters but the films that stand out as a super nova are films like Precious and Beloved, which are not inspiring films so to speak. They can be seem as emboldening the "negative" like certain rappers she dislike.

    Why not at some point mix up the narrative palette and showcase movies that goes toward the uplifting denominator for a change? It can be a suspense story, thriller, science fiction, fantasy, any genre of choice. Featuring Dark Girls.

  • Nikoteen Gum | June 13, 2013 8:59 PM

    well said... really hard to finance though. "Love Jones" did it... amazing movie...

  • No | June 11, 2013 11:30 PMReply

    This "trailer" is boring. It is really unappealing to listen to one one after another cite her trials and tribulation as a "dark girl." It's neither good nor interesting filmmaking. I'm working on a script about black woman whose brother's "colorism" boomerangs against him. If people are interested in supporting a project that uses humor and drama to explore the same issue, contact me at: @NormanKelley

  • Carl | June 12, 2013 12:26 AM

    @No...You're fucking kidding right? Support your work? Our answer is your screen name. Tacky bullshit.

  • ALM | June 11, 2013 11:45 PM

    If you going to come on S & A to promote your product, it may be a good idea to NOT negatively criticize someone else's hard work while doing so.

    You don't have to put someone else's work down to draw interest to your work.

  • ALM | June 11, 2013 11:29 PMReply

    I'm looking forward to watching this. I applaud OWN for providing the outlet for the movie to be seen in homes.

  • TAZ | June 11, 2013 10:38 PMReply

    Am I my sister's keeper? Apparently not in this culture. As a black female who has experienced this 'phenomenon', it is always amazing to hear, 'Well, I don't do that.' LOL. That means what? That I didn't experience it? Thanks for your words....they really helped. :(

    ...And it is not just chocolate girls, cocoa girls that have experienced this, but also teasin' tan and cafe au lait girls. Yes. There is a Jill Scott track where she mentions her knees being clean from AJAX washings.....and I was like......Whaaat? you too, Jill!? But you are light......er than me!

    I would say that EVERYONE should watch this film with an open mind and with the mindset of putting yourself shoes of these sistas and ask yourself how would you feel and what would help you overcome. If you get nothing else from this, if a brave soul mentions their experience, please just refrain from responding if you can't say anything other than....'I don't do it. I don't know anybody who does that. Does that only happen in the South? Or Whatchu talkin' 'bout Willis? GTFO.

  • TAZ | June 12, 2013 9:02 PM

    I don't like jam. I like banana's.

    *snickers*

  • CC | June 12, 2013 8:47 PM

    Taz, we in there like peanut butter and jam... and I know you know it :-) XOXO

  • TAZ | June 12, 2013 8:32 PM

    @CC - You comment that 'maybe' I was not directing my original comment to you was accurate and you know it. I did not address anything you said in your defense of Wake Up. Do I have an opinion? Absolutely. I thought about answering but edited it out. Did I have an opinion about why you agree with Wake Up? Absolutely, but I deliberately did not respond. This is not a case of written word being our worst enemy.

  • CC | June 12, 2013 2:44 AM

    Hold up, pump the breaks... stop this train before it derails.

    Listen, @ ALM, who said "they don't know ANYONE who thinks or acts this way" - huh? I surely didn't... so miss me with that formal study mess. But if you were not responding to my comment, please excuse me (but you did jump in the middle of this thread).

    And Taz, maybe you were not directing your original comment to me either, but if you were, I have to explain my position. Look, I did not, and have not, viewed the clip. "I" was merely addressing the interpretation of the word "WE". No where in my comment did I express a lack of compassion, empathy or understanding of the dilemma of blacks and the issue of color.

    Again, look, lets say I have a problem with the following phrases... "Black folks don't like anything but comedies" and "We all vote Democrat" and "You know how we do it" and "Blacks love chitterlings". Okay, if I said "I" didn't vote Democrat" or "I don't eat chitterlings" or "I love other films besides comedies", have I showed a lack of understanding or respect for those who do participate in those activities? Of course not, so why am I being subjected to the "seemingly" defensive speeches? Tell your story, share your pain and I'll listen, but please don't assume or put words in my mouth. I mean, least we forget Wake Up's original words--> "it's not we as a culture that have a problem with dark skin v.s. light skin, it's some within the culture have this problem". Yep, and I said, I agreed with that statement. However, it appears some took it personally as if the comment was saying "Your problem as a "VICTIM" of racial bias is not my problem and it has never happened to me, so shoo fly don't bother me".

    NO! That not what the comment was saying. The comment was spoken from the position/perspective/viewpoint of the OFFENDER, not the victim. So again, just because I or whomever believes they were not the perpetrated of the "crime" DOES NOT imply/suggest/mean they believe an injustice has not been committed.

    And Taz, maybe this is a case of the written word being our worst enemy? Well, speaking for myself, I know he's not my best friend.

  • TAZ | June 12, 2013 1:14 AM

    @ALM: Thank you.. I agree about biases. And because they don't recognize the bias in themselves, it may inhibit their ability to see it in the actions of others. i dunno. If people really understood the hurtfulness joking on skin color and weight, playing the dozens would be almost non-existent, Martin wouldn't have so many folks think he is funny and Alice Walker would have had to rewrite most of Mister's lines to get Celie to do his bidding. My mother, to this day, has no idea of the damage Ajax washings caused, in combination with describing the differences between she and I using food....something I understood early. Me: Dark Chocolate. She: Light Caramel. So I had to laugh when I read your other post below about Zoe being considered dark. It took about 15 years and a few arguments with best friends that convinced me that the image I had of myself was untrue.

  • TAZ | June 12, 2013 12:15 AM

    @CC: Hope your discussion with your friend continues because my comment was strictly concerning the lack of empathy, understanding and most importantly responsibility of folks who considers themselves a member of this so called Black community who comments in a certain way on this subject - whether it is in direct response to someone sharing a story or in a group setting as this.

    This subject is near and dear to me....it is as close to me as the beautiful rich bronze sienna skin I am in. Let me rephrase so as to not be misunderstood: "Am I my sister's keeper? Apparently not in this culture. As a black female who has experienced this 'phenomenon', it is always amazing to hear [someone say or read as a response to this subject matter], 'Well, I don't do that.' LOL. That means what? That I [we - girls who have experienced this subject matter] didn't experience it? Thanks for [those] words [of love, kindness, honor, truthfulness, perseverance, hopefulness, encouragement, thoughtfulness, understanding]....did I mention validation?....yes, those words really helped. I am glad some folks are so proud that they don't do it. (Sarcasm deeply intended) Yippee Ki Yay.

    Also, if anyone is wondering what is meant by knees cleaned with Ajax washings.....it is what 'some' Black mothers do to their daughters to get the 'black' of the knees or elbows or bony part of the heel of the foot. Or used special 'lotion' called Nadinola on those spots. I would love to know if it has happened to any males or if it just a female thing.

  • ALM | June 11, 2013 11:38 PM

    Taz, I feel you. I am often skeptical when someone says that they don't know ANYONE who thinks or acts this way. Formal studies have proven that even when people swear up and down that they don't have biases, they indeed DO have biases. Some of these biases may be so deeply entrenched in people that they either don't recognize them or are ashamed to even consider that they may be prejudiced in some shape or form.

  • CC | June 11, 2013 10:59 PM

    Well Ms. Taz... I don't do it, so **stinking out my tongue**. :-)

    Okay, I understand what your saying, however, the comment/statement/phrase "I don't do it" as used in the comments below, were not a "response" or feedback to a particular person who had shared their heartfelt concerns or experiences of the "phenomenon". So stop it. *LOL*

    The words were simply used as a rebuttal or response to the word "WE". But hey, all goodbye is not gone. I was talking to a friend of mine and we were just discussing the phrase "seek first to understand". Maybe you're suggesting that's what everyone should do (or could gain) by watching this doc?

  • Orville | June 11, 2013 9:52 PMReply

    I think Dark Girls is much more complicated than you suggest. Pop culture and society does influence us and condition us in relation to beauty. It is a lot more difficult to ignore. We live in a culture which tells us such as People Magazine that Beyonce is black beauty. Really? Beyonce with her light skin, her fake blonde weave, is black beauty?

    Look at the top "black" female celebrities you will notice they are usually mixed race. Halle Berry, Rosario Dawson, Paula Patton, Zoe Saldana, Rihanna, Beyonce, are all mixed race women with lighter skin, they get the high profile magazine covers, they get the top film roles, they get acclaim from the media as being beautiful.

    Where is Angela Bassett or Viola Davis spotlight? Now, how many darker skinned black women are even regarded as beautiful even within the black community? A lot of black people want to blame white culture, but in the black community colorism is a huge issue. The black rappers always got a mulatto, or a light skinned Latina with long hair as their love interest in rap music videos. What are dark skinned black girls supposed to think when they see this? Black heterosexual men are also to blame, they place a high emphasis on light skinned women like Beyonce or Halle Berry they put them on a pedestal while the darker skinned black woman is degraded and scorned.

  • Twanda "Aisha" Jackson | June 12, 2013 3:55 AM

    KOKoKrisp

  • ALM | June 11, 2013 11:35 PM

    I recently pointed out to a few of my family members how one of the major magazines that I subscribed to classified Zoe Saldana as "dark skinned" in their makeup section. The article was making makeup shade recommendations based on skin tone. The fact that Zoe is considered dark skinned lets me know that American media continues to ignore millions of women.

    Rapper Kendrick Lamar recently made positive headlines for fighting to have a beautiful, dark skinned love interest in his video. The fact that he had to fight to cast his OWN video proves how deep the issue goes. The faceless, often nameless executives at the hip hop record labels are driving the idea of who is considered beautiful.

  • WAKE UP | June 11, 2013 8:34 PMReply

    I have to disagree with the premise of the film because it's not we as a culture that have a problem with dark skin v.s. light skin, it's some within the culture have this problem. If we all would simply use common sense and stop holding on to external stereotypes and labels that others impose on us as individuals then everyone would realize that no one controls any aspects of their physical appearance other than weight. We are all human beings with a wide range of skin tones, none of which controls who or what we are. I'm sick of documentaries that lump us all together and make it appear that we all practice these closed minded beliefs. I for one do not and I treat everyone based on how they treat me and their race, skin color, hair texture, etc...never ever has anything to do with my perception of them. People wake the heck up and stop labeling each other and treat each others as flesh and blood just like yourself. Jeeezzzzzz.

  • CC | June 13, 2013 9:27 AM

    Whatsup Jmac,

    Long time no see, huh. Listen, I am not going to belabor the point (there's obviously no way I can convince you of my intent. I know what I said and why I said it) and I am not planning on watching this doc (and, as I said, I didn't watch this clip).

    I've already stated my reasoning... "What is the goal/purpose of this doc and ensuing conversations? Is the purpose just another platform geared toward "look at me, woe is me", or is it an avenue that's focused on catharsis?"

    Well, one visitor said it will induce shame which will propel the "perpetrators" to change their evil ways. Yeeeeaaaaah riiiiiiiiight. Geeezzzz...

    A perpetrator has NO shame. Lets get that straight. If they did, "shame" is a short lived emotion which is very easy to discharge ("Love" being on the other end of the spectrum. It's duration can be very long) . Yet, "shame" is frequently rationalized and justified away. A few examples: "They deserved it"... "If they wouldn't have done that, I wouldn't have done that"... "I was just doing my job"... "All women flaunt their stuff around but cry when someone takes them up on their offer"... "I was selling dope 'cause I had to feed my family. I didn't force that cracker to smoke that shit"... "The bible said an eye for an eye, so I did what God said"... . And, millions continue to die 'because 'cause 'shame can not stop them from abusing drugs and alcohol. Thousands will continue to die 'cause "SHAME" has never stopped wars and the attitudes and agendas that led to such.

    Anyway JMac, in reference to "Martin" I hear what you're saying and I have to concede that point. And btw, as always, it's always good talking with you.

  • JMac | June 12, 2013 9:23 PM

    Now come on CC. Why did you say this if your intention was not to invalidate that this is a issue in the black community/black culture: "Who are these people who have a problem with dark skin? Listen, I am agreeing with "Wake Up because I've never ever voiced an opinion nor come to a conclusion about another black person based on their skin color"? Sounds like denial to me and a lack of empathy of which Taz is referring to. How you or Wake Up watched this trailer and believed that it embodies the attitudes of every single black person is beyond me. Personally, I think you know full well it doesn't apply to all black people but you want to distance yourself from it so you won't feel anything (guilt, shame, responsibility, sadness?) With Dark Girls, I see a documentary made for us (black Americans) about an issue that has affected a significant number of us. You can't ignore that the actions of "some" have significantly hurt the "whole" esp. when those "some" are in the public eye or hold power. Whether you intended to or not, you statement of wanting to pin the issue on just a few bad seeds does read like an attempt to downplay the existence of colorism in the black community. I'm willing to concede it may be some who outwardly exhibit/perpetuate colorism but I'm willing to bet most of us suffer from colorism although we try not to act on it.

    As for the Martin thing, ask a dark girl if you want the whole laundry list. Much of his jokes against Pam were black revisionist white racist humor. She did wear a weave but he would crack on her beedy-bees and often she would hide the back of her neck as if she should be ashamed. Sometimes he'd call her a gorilla or an ape or compare her to a work horse or refer to her as being man-like. None of Pam's comebacks had a racial/color connotation. Maybe because it came out of a black person's mouth it didn't seem as bad. If Martin's character was white, most black people would consider his treatment against Pam as racist. The insults against the other characters on the show were usually race/color blind.

    Anyway, I hope you plan to watch Dark Girls if you haven't already. I've got it set on my satellite box. And make sure you watch with some females - you might learn something new about them.

  • CC | June 11, 2013 11:24 PM

    "you want to invalidate these women's experiences and the preponderance of evidence that exists outside of them down to being an aberration"

    NOT-IN-THE-LEAST, JMac. I never said nor implied such! See my response to Taz.

    And, in respect to Martin (I've probably seen all the episodes... as recently as this year), I have no idea what you're referring to. She capped on him about his size, ears, ect, and in return he made joke about her. But I do not believe any of them had anything to do with her "color". And you even mentioned "hair"?. So wait, Pam wore a weave and Martin did cap on that, but I don't know where you're going? School me... DarkGirls: The Story of Color, Gender, and Race.

  • JMac | June 11, 2013 10:46 PM

    Yes, I remember your stance on this issue. Again, your argument is based on your personal, individual experience. I've always looked and listened to what others - other black women and men - have experienced and exhibited in addition to my personal experiences on this topic. Basically, you are not looking and listening to others. Instead, you want to invalidate these women's experiences and the preponderance of evidence that exists outside of them down to being an aberration. How many people voiced similar issues when this doc first came out? But again, since you've never (supposedly) done it they must be making something out of nothing. You liked Martin didn't you? Liked all those slams against Pam? I know you did. I can't even watch that show anymore w/o cringing everytime he throws an insult although I thought it was funny at the time. You want to know who made me see the discrepancy? Dark skinned black women. I made excuses at first - Pam is the best friend so she's Martin's natural enemy - but since then even I see he went too far sometimes and many of his disses were at her nappy hair(?) , dark skin, calling her all sorts of animals. Not playful teasing. Just mean-spirited. The black execs on that show should have checked themselves. As usual, we'll do anything for money and fame including throwing each other under the bus for a cheap laugh.

  • CC | June 11, 2013 10:00 PM

    I see a slippery slope on the horizon. Well, actually, I didn't have a problem with Wake Up's comment. She was simply saying the word "we" is inappropriete when all blacks do not harbor "skin color" prejudices. " If we all would simply use common sense and stop holding on to external stereotypes and labels that others impose on us AS INDIVIDUALS then everyone would realize that no one controls any aspects of THEIR physical appearance"<--- That's all she was saying. In essence, she was saying no-one-can-speak-for-her.

    On the contrary, the following statement is questionable:

    " To say that (American) Blacks as a culture don't have a problem with dark skin is akin to saying America doesn't have a problem with racism."

    Who are these people who have a problem with dark skin? Listen, I am agreeing with "Wake Up because I've never ever voiced an opinion nor come to a conclusion about another black person based on their skin color.

  • JMac | June 11, 2013 9:34 PM

    I'll have to disagree with the premise of your comment. Blacks may not have started the skin color game but we freely implemented it upon ourselves during and after slavery - often without white re-inforcement. To say that (American) Blacks as a culture don't have a problem with dark skin is akin to saying America doesn't have a problem with racism. It's part of our history and the remnants of it still exists whether you personally perpetuate colorism or not.

    Furthermore, decrying the problem as being applicable to only "some" in the culture is a weak argument. Just about every (negative) aspect concerning a culture doesn't derive from all the people within it. We have certain segments that are incarcerated, or better yet, have been killed or injured by guns - since this is a hot topic. The numbers of those directly affected don't come close to comprising a majority of blacks but there's enough that the phenomenon has touched a family member or friend at some point. Doesn't mean we're all criminals or we're all getting shot at but it also doesn't mean it's not a problem (forgive the double negative). Colorism whether inflicted from within or without the black community is an issue and I hate to say that much of it is self-inflicted -- but much of it is self-inflicted.

  • WAKE UP | June 11, 2013 8:37 PM

    Pardon my typo. Meant to say "it's not we as a culture that have a problem with dark skin v.s. light skin, it's some within the culture that have this problem."

  • SAVANNAH MORGAN | June 11, 2013 8:10 PMReply

    This was absolutely HAUNTING to watch. My heart is broken.

  • David Crossgrove | June 11, 2013 7:56 PMReply

    This is going to be an emotionally difficult documentary to watch.
    Black fathers, particularly, and their daughters, would be advised to watch.

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