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Is There A *Name* Actor Who Could Convincingly Play Black Panther? You Decide

by Tambay A. Obenson
June 6, 2012 11:20 AM
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I say, no.

Since last night's rumor that Marvel Studios reportedly has a Black Panther movie on its slate, the obvious question that's been on most minds is, just who should play the superhero from the fictional African nation of Wakanda

I spent some of the morning browsing through message boards and other sites, looking over lists of suggested actors, from writers and commenters - lists that range from the thoughtful, to the ridunkulous. Seriously, Will Smith as Black Panther? Really? And as much as I like John Boyega, I just can't picture him in the part; nor Anthony Mackie, Isaiah Mustafa, Djimon Hounsou (a fan favorite - his name turned up on several lists; he's too old at this point, to play the young Prince of Wakanda), not even Idris Elba, another fan favorite for the part. 

Assuming Marvel will start from the beginning, and go with a younger T'Challa, I imagine an actor in his mid to late 20s, or early 30s; and with that, immediately, the list of available actors - specifically *known* actors who could play the part - decreases dramatically; partly because there just aren't many of them in the first place, who fit that criteria. Unless the studio chooses popularity over ability, and looks beyond Actors (capital "A" intentional), and considers musicians who've segued into acting. And even then, it's a short list.

There are a few other things to take into consideration - height, size (or at least the ability to create size), and being believable with the accent - not just some generic *African* tongue that will likely only elicit laughter from audiences.

Some fans are insisting that the actor be African - even if they aren't currently living within the continent; so naturally, Chiwetel Ejiofor's name has also been mentioned, as have Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and David Oyelowo - all 3 Nigerians originally, living in the UK.

There were a few interesting choices I didn't even think about, that I've read from others, including Aldis Hodge, Chadwick BosemanMehcad Brooks, and Nate Parker

Others suggested that Marvel look outside the world of acting, and at WWE Ghanaian star Kofi Kingston for example, and even MMA fighter Rampage, who has done some acting himself.

Who else? Tyrese's name was mentioned, as was Edi Gathegi, Derek Luke, Wesley Snipes, and others; but really, mosts lists I found had some combination of the names mentioned here; and others, as I noted, just didn't make any sense to me at all.

It's like we're playing darts or something; line up every black actor working today, throw in some rappers, wrestlers, fighters, and let's see which one we can stick.

What do I think? I'm having a really challenging time coming up with anyone to be frank, even after thinking about it since last night. What I do know is that I'd prefer that the studio went with an Actor (the capital "A" is intentional), to give credibility to the project. They should take it very seriously, just as the WB has done with the Christopher Nolan era of Batman movies. So please no repeat of Steel... PLEASE!

Cast an Actor, not necessarily a star. I used to lean towards Chiwetel, more-so than any of the other popular choices, when talk began a year or 3 ago, about the potential for a Black Panther movie; he's an Actor, and, with some training, could certainly be whipped into proper physical shape for the role. I felt he could be convincing, and his casting would give the movie the right kind of credibility.

However, I'm not so sure anymore, especially as he's aged. And with that, as I've said several times in the past, I'd actually go with an unknown; less baggage. Go with an unknown, and then cast *name* actors around him to fill the supporting roles.

For example, if the chosen villain for the movie is Black Panther's archenemy Ulysses Klaw, they could even cast a *name* actor in that part; lots of white actors to choose from there certainly.

I like what Brian Helgeland did with his Jackie Robinson biopic (42); I think many would have expected him to cast an actor with some mainstream popularity/awareness, but he cast Chadwick Boseman, who, for all intents and purposes, is a relative *unknown* even though he's certainly not new to the game. And then he cast Harrison Ford as Branch Rickey.

But what do you folks think? Dig in with your general thoughts, and/or suggestions.

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  • Nick O'Hair | May 21, 2013 12:23 AMReply

    Why has no one mentioned SEAN BLAKEMORE!!!!???? He has the build, the look, and the acting chops to do a great job with one of my favorite Marvel characters.

  • T-Alexander | July 8, 2012 3:00 AMReply

    All that is really needed is an actor with all the basic foundation so that they have enough to build on. You can boil it down to 2 things
    1) Someone with acting chops to understand/interpret/convey the character effectively
    2) Someone healthy enough and willing enough to go through the necessary diet and training in order to get into "superhero shape"

    Point blank
    Outside of that, they just need a damn good script and strong actors in the supporting roles (just like every movie should aspire to). Movie magic will take care of the rest. Good makeup artist, styling, special effects, lighting, creative camera angles, and wardrobe/costumes can completely transform an actor's appearance and enhance their performance to make them fit the part. Those things can take an actor who you might be skeptical about playing a certain part and help them to fit the role in a way you couldn't imagine when all is said and done.
    Just look at Chris Hemsworth's transformation into Thor or Chris Evans as Captain America, Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye. Everyone was skeptical at first when they were cast in each movie. Some were even angry, but when everything finally came together and the movie was released, most of those people ate there words and shut up.
    The age range also isn't as big of a problem as you might think. They can probably consider guys up to 40 years old without much issue and still have them play a younger character. Again, a little movie magic can do wonders and you wont even be thinking about the age. Not to mention, as a point of observation, black people generally tend not to show the progression age as obviously as other people (the saying "black don't crack" gets thrown around playfully but to an extent it's true). This is a possible positive for a potential franchise. Even if the role didn't call for a black actor, they could still work around the age issue if the actor was good enough in all other departments. Just look at Robert Downey Jr. He started filming the first Iron Man in his early 40s.

    All I'm saying is don't get too caught up in the the details of the actor, their resume, level of fame, or physical attributes. As long as they're black, have the acting ability, and physical potential to get in proper shape; the film crew/studio/production team can pick up the slack from there.

  • jay | June 20, 2012 1:54 AMReply

    rob brown from "the express" perfect build height and age

  • Sircharles | June 13, 2012 5:25 PMReply

    Tongayi chirisa will be a perfect fit for the role, take a look at his work on Crusoe,, He is african and the perfect age.

  • Nnamdi | June 12, 2012 6:21 PMReply

    I read someone say Chewy Ejiofor does not have the body! Clearly you must not hit the gym much, it's called training my dear. Chewy definitely has the physical attributes to do it see Redbelt or Serenity, however they gonna bulk the crap out of him, they gonna beef him up something serious. Did you think Chris Evans looks like he does now before Captain America? No they have Hollywood trainers that work with the stars like Lou Farrigno for instance.
    Will Smith gained about 40lbs to play Ali, the guy that's gonna be the next superman put about 30lbs, Wesley Snipes beefed up too to play Blade.
    Studios are not worried about the seize of the actor they want someone that can go toe to toe with Downey Jr, Jackson, Chris Evans, Ruffalo etc that man MUST have intelligence, intensity and that "it"!

  • Nutella | June 12, 2012 3:58 PMReply

    Some of the names thrown have me cracking up! August Richards, Eldis Hodge, Courtney B Vance. I m mean really? Maybe Anthony Mackie could pull it off, he definitely has the potential!

  • Nutella | June 12, 2012 3:39 PMReply

    Why does every character who requires physicality have to be played by Micheal Jai White? He's not the only buff dude in Hollywood. Also I'm tired of Will Smith being shouted for every big roles like he doesn't have enough of these on his own. I think Chewy is the best and only choice he exuberant of intelligence and intensity.
    He's only 34 and can play this role for years to come!

  • Akimbo | June 12, 2012 3:41 PM

    Because Michael Jai White's body only makes sense in spandex.

  • Dr. Phil Valentine | June 11, 2012 2:35 PMReply

    Yes. Only ONE. Michael Jai White. PERIOD!!!

  • Mozzie | June 10, 2012 4:03 PMReply

    I think Isaac Ssebandeke. an actor of Ugandan descent is perfect for the role. has the accent down to a T

  • C.F.Godwell | June 10, 2012 12:57 PMReply

    The brotha Sean Blakemore of General Hospital fame is perfect for the role. He has the size, the acting chops and the look...perfectly!!! If he can pull off the accent, he's perfect. And please, none of that "he's not African" nonsense. ALL Blacks are Pan-Africans/of African origin. Let's not start discriminating against our own.

  • T'challa1982 | June 10, 2012 5:28 AMReply

    Chiwetel or David Oyelowe (Joe "Lighting") from Red Tails would be perfect for the role of prince T'challa & Djimon Hounsou could play his father T'chaka as he dies when T'challa is still a young boy.

  • Tana Huggins-Harris | June 9, 2012 5:56 PMReply

    I think for me Tyrese Gibson is the best candidate for the role, he has that sleek panther look...checkout the debate we have been having about it on has been an interesting talk and people have come up with a few suggestions.

  • Jena Marie | June 9, 2012 5:35 PMReply

    I would have to agree with CLEO. My friends and I were actually talking about J August Richards playing Black Panther the day after Avengers hit theaters, we think he would be an amazing fit. My 9 year old nephew agrees and he is a tough critic when it comes to Superheroes!

  • Micah | June 9, 2012 3:01 AMReply

    People have listed a lot of fine actors with potential but I'm still on team Chiwetel. He also has a lot going in his favor. He's had significant parts in at least 5 international blockbusters. He will have been the unquestioned lead in two films by well respected directors. He has a an extensive list of accolades for his acting in most of the films his been in, no matter what the size of his part. If you look at his credits, few black actors can compare to the mix of quality work he's done. That includes commercial and critical. This isn't to say that there aren't other actors out there that could possibly do the job. I will say though there are virtually no up-and- coming black actors that have been groomed or amassed the resume that he has. And Hollywood will look at a track record and to see if there is any name recognition. The only comparable actor is Idris but he actually plays a character that firmly exist in the movie version Avenger's universe. (Chris Evans Fantastic Four will not be in that universe.) I would love to see more young black actors either being given the chance or being groomed like there white counterparts. My only concern about Chiwetel is that as qualified and respected as he might be, he may lack the IT factor. While he's not old, now is the time when he needs to be making his mark as a leading man. Unless he gets a nomination for 12 Years A Slave, I don't know how that's going to happen.

  • C.F.Godwell | June 10, 2012 1:02 PM

    I can run with Chiwetel or Sean Blakemore. Idris is already currently active in Thor (as Hemidal) and would only confuse people.

  • Sandra | June 9, 2012 1:51 AMReply

    Boris Kodjoe? Kent Faulcon (he has guest starred in every popular show that exists on tv. Does that count?) Terrell Tilford?

    Okay, I'm just throwing some names out there. LMAO
    It's sad that this is so hard! Really, really sad.

  • Sandra | June 9, 2012 1:11 AMReply

    They need to get an unknown for this character. Period. Yes, it will be a risk but no one else really fits the role. See, this is what happens when films with black characters aren't being made; the new crop of black actors aren't being honed for this kind of role.

    You know, in terms of just presence I think Jimmy Jean Louis would fit the role. He has the build and look and I know for a FACT that he can do an 'african' accent (I hate generalizing because, as a Ghanaian I know that all Africans do not sound the same but you catch my drift). As for acting I've seen him in the critically-acclaimed Ghanaian movie 'Sinking Sands'. Most of what he's done acting wise though are small and unknown roles so...yeah.

  • MARVEL HERO | June 8, 2012 8:27 PMReply


  • Fangirl | June 8, 2012 5:35 PMReply

    Stephen Hill is sexy and talented!

  • Verinia | June 8, 2012 3:45 PMReply

    Michael Jai White Could Eat this Role for Breakfast, Lunch & Dinner. However his plate is quite full. He could do it though!

  • geoff thorne | June 8, 2012 2:50 PMReply

    It's Aldis Hodge or it's nobody. He's got the acting chops, he's got the physicality and he has that undefinable quality of intelligence in his eyes the money can't by and make-up can't fake.

    It should be Aldis.

  • Dru B. | June 8, 2012 10:41 AMReply

    Jamie Hector (who has the physicality and intensity in his eyes), Michael Ealy, it's easily cast-able. What's more important are the writer and director like the Batman series, it didn't have to be Christian Bale, others could have pulled it off.

  • Bizdiva | June 7, 2012 5:44 PMReply

    I would *love* to see Avery Brooks get this role. I love his deeply resonant voice. Another choice would be Gregg Baker - The Opera Star...Buff to the maxx, all that bass and virile!!!

  • Ian Evans | June 7, 2012 11:26 AMReply

    Nate Parker as Black Panther
    Joy Bryant as Storm

  • Black Panther | June 15, 2012 4:09 PM

    fox own storm

  • merc80 | June 7, 2012 1:17 AMReply

    Michael K. Williams.

  • Nina | June 6, 2012 10:12 PMReply

    It has to be Idris Elba. or Michael Ealy.

  • Cleo | June 6, 2012 9:55 PMReply

    He's not exactly a name,but he has a huge following : J August Richards. He played Gunn on Angel and he's still a big hit at every con he shows up at. He'd be perfect image wise and has both the acting and fight training chops.

  • Akimbo | June 6, 2012 9:59 PM

    Love him.

  • Nikki | June 6, 2012 8:26 PMReply

    Michael B. Jordan could pull it off :)

  • Akimbo | June 6, 2012 7:49 PMReply

    Many TALENTED actors are capable of so much more than we get to see them do, so I feel that a number of the names mentioned here are capable of pulling off the role. Be real: did ANYONE know/think/have an inkling that Heath Ledger was going to act the hell out of the Joker like that?

  • Harvey Dent | June 6, 2012 7:11 PMReply

    I prefer Anthony Mackie for this role and have been beating the drum for him because he has the physicality, long and lean, to pull off wearing that black suit and he has the chops to pull off the role. The skills to play Hamlet is not required for this but I think Mackie can do for this role what Bale did for Batman by transcending the material.

  • Harvey Dent | June 11, 2012 4:46 PM

    It's a superhero movie, the costume comes with the material

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 7:41 PM

    Actually the less Black Panther is in that outfit the better. And while I love Mackie he seems all wrong for the part.

  • Chris | June 6, 2012 6:29 PMReply

    Chiwetel Ejiofor would be the best pick based in terms of acting and athleticism. He is a very good actor that could pull off the super-smart, perceptive character of T'Challa; and we know from Serenity and Red Belt that he can do the action sequences.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 6:26 PMReply

    Misha-Always the victim, even when given what you want. That is sad. I do feel bad about what I said because I don't think any of that about you, really I don't. Because I don't know you well enough to care. But I do care about this site & the conversations-both fun & heated-about this Industry because I feel it's necessary. But I don't get down with the vitriol. I don't like it on "Industry" sites like Deadline & I don't like it here. We need to be better than that & I need to better than that. It's why I apologized, because I started acting like the stuff I don't like-whether I agree with you or not. But it seems that you would only be content with being cussed out. I gave you what you wanted & it's hilarious (& masterful) that you now turned the talk about my sexism, my ignorance & the like but it is exactly what you seemed to NEED me time & time again. You have constantly said "it is what you do" "It is what you're doing" "You know what you're doing". Word of advice-Either I'm doing it, or I'm not. But someone who constantly looks for it, Wants It. Hammer Looking for a Nail. Yeah, I'm an "empty" insider. I make allll of this stuff up and have no idea what I'm talking about or what kinds of decisions are made. I get why you'd say that. I've been on here, what-a year? Maybe a little more and I pass "BS" info along to some of the S&A writers, some of the commentors about things before they've hit the street. Yep, that's me-"Know Nothing" Jug. I guess I do that because since I've worked at many of the studios we talk about & I love spreading "disinformation", just to see you silly little mortals flail about. I say what I say because I've been in on those notes calls. Heard Current Execs at ABC talk to Showrunners about actors they think are hot but can't act for shit. I was there when Isaiah Washington had to go to the Principal's office, oops, I mean Mark Pedowitz's office after the TR Knight mess. I know what REALLY happened. I know actresses that have been fired from shows because they "wouldn't do a cheap tawdry sex scene" on a soap but in reality they did the scene but were fired because they were shit actors & their replacement was in their makeup chair at Lunch Time. I've been there. Been in casting sessions. Been on both sides actually. Been on 20 Mil projects and done shit for free. I've learned waaay too much too horde it. I pass the info along because someone did it for me. If it comes off as "abrasive", "know it all" or to use your phrase "condescending" than that's on you. Yeah, it's in the form a "comment" but that's what it is. At least for now. Believe me NO ONE is giving info up in Hollywood and especially people of Color are not looking out for each other like we should. On Tambay's "HOW DO I BREAK INTO HOLLYWOOD" page, NONE of the usual suspects except Dankwa showed up to give advice. Drop knowledge to other Artists or Industry Professionals. Nobody showed up, 'cept me, Dankwa & I think Charles Judson. YOU certainly weren't there. Guess you were busy that day. Or you didn't feel the need to act like you know what you're talking about & help others out. Or maybe you have no information to pass on that's actually useful. To each their own. I do it because someone did it for me. But because what I say seems to always conflict with you, your thinking, your estimations of what's right, that means I'm condescending & I'm an "empty" insider. That's fine. Take it as you will. Hopefully this can be the end of it & on here we go our separate ways. Lord Knows I'm done with it LOL

  • misha | June 6, 2012 11:12 PM

    Jug, here's the thing, I'm not looking from anything from you. You certainly didn't have to come with any faux remorse wrapped in insults. I merely mentioned squashing said beef because Carey brought it up in another thread. Otherwise...*shrugs*

  • misha | June 6, 2012 11:04 PM

    AV, I...I...don't even know what to say to that post. It's laughable, really. But let me try to clear a few things up. One, your name was brought up first, because I was responded to your intial post, which consisted of this quote: "They scary thing is that the selections that come from black sites like this aren't much better." You SERIOUSLY don't see what's problematic about this statement? Not only did you essentially call out the posters here, but you implied that said posters' suggestion/opinions were less than. I mean, who gets to decide that one's selection isn't up to par? You? HA! Two, I didn't mention your name again until Carey entered the discussion and proceeded to back you up. Three, I'd absolutely love for you to point to an instance in which I've presented my opinion as fact and claimed/implied that another's opinion was inferior to mine? And when in the hell did I boast about having won any argument? Perhaps you're confusing me with Jug, who claimed that he called me out and put me on blast for my comments to him? LOL Four, the fact that you deem my calling out certain posters by name as a bad thing pretty much sums up your posting style. You prefer to throw out vague, condescending jabs at other posters, as you did when you first entered the discussion. Excuse me if I prefer to go directly to the source and explain why I have beef with what they said AND back it up with logic. Perhaps you should try it sometime and stop engaging in exaggeration and cheap shots. Fassbender? Really? Womp! Womp! Try again!

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 8:53 PM

    Accidental Visitor-Totally unrelated, I wanted you to know your OpEd about the "State of the Black Leading Man" was some of the realest shit I'd read in a Looooong time. Something that's talked about in Hollywood circles incessantly. I pdf'd as a keepsake for reference-just to let me know I ain't crazy. Thank You for that.

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 8:40 PM

    Misha is who she is. Comments like this "Men like AV and Jug aren't the least bit intimidating to those who come with ACTUAL facts and an opinion that recognizes the nuance of the topics they THINK they are experts on" are the typical disjointed remarks that she is known to give. She likes to state AS FACT that certain peoplle are condescending or certain people are know-it-alls without having a clue how ironic those remarks are coming from her. Pot meet kettle. It as if she doesn't realize she is the one going around calling out people by their names at every opportunity. Someone should buy her a dictionary and tell her to look up the word projection. Because all she does is ascribe to others all the negative traits that she herself has. I mean even in a back and forth argument with you, Jug, she could not help bringing up my name each time. She can't help herself. And like some unstable, insecure individual she likes to go around boasting about how she has won the argument at hand, clearly not understanding that (a)only she thinks so and its subjective regardless and (b) no one else is keeping score but her. Then she loves to talk about people she disagress with not providing facts when she has never provided any of her own. Again....projection. Truth is I don't know why she is even involved in this discussion considering the casting of Black Panther since we all know the if it was up to her it would be Fassbender anyway. Jesus. When I state my opinion I do so with a certain amount of confidence but by no means do I think I should have the final word on the issue or that my remarks, even when I feel I'm right, should be taken more seriously than anyone else. And that's the difference between me and her, That and the fact that I'm secure enough to no go head-hunting after everyone whom I disagree with vehemently.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 8:08 PM

    Misha-He was and I am. If you want to squash it. But my first line is in direct to your last two comments TO me & ABOUT me. You can't have it both ways. You can't look for "détente" and then swing on someone LOL I'm willing to put water under the bridge if you are.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 7:55 PM

    "Misha-Always the victim, even when given what you want." >>>Ha! Starting out with an insult, eh? Nice! I see there's no need to read any further. (I'm sure it's a bunch of useless rambling, anyhow). Meanwhile, where is Carey, cause I'mma kick his ass for suggesting that Jug was actually interested in squashing our "beef."

  • Ava | June 6, 2012 6:23 PMReply

    Does one truly need an "A" list actor?? Was Tobey Maguire an A list actor before he did SpiderMan? Sure the Cider House Rules was a good movie, but...

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 7:45 PM

    The only A-list black actors are Denzel, Will, Eddie, Morgan, Sam and possibly Jamie. And none of them are going to get the role. You are right that Tobey wasn't A-list when being picked for Spidey but at least he was able to put together a good resume of work before getting the BIG role. Hardly any black actors get the opportunity to put together that type of resume at Tobey's age. That makes finding the right person for BP more challenging.

  • RolandJP | June 6, 2012 6:18 PMReply

    I understand wanting to cast an African but its not important. DId they pick a Russian to play Black Widow. or a Swede to play THOR. Nooooooooo

  • Alex | June 6, 2012 5:58 PMReply

    "Some fans are insisting that the actor be African - even if they aren't currently living within the continent; so naturally, Chiwetel Ejiofor's name has also been mentioned, as have Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje and David Oyelowo - all 3 Nigerians originally, living in the UK."

    This still could apply to African Americans of African descent no? Here in the UK we who are born to African parents but are born in the UK are Black African British - not just living in the UK' - it's our home. There's nothing 'originally' about it - they are British Nationals of Nigerian descent. I've seen you do this a few times now, the sooner people come to terms with our dual identity the better.

    I like Tony Kgoroge; Eamonn Walker - but they are too old.
    Adewale would be cool too but like someone else mentioned, he Elba and the rest - its too obvious we need new blood.

    If they're taking the character younger (ala all new - Spiderman age) like another Marvel Origins movie then I would gladly nominate: Daniel Kaluuya or John Boyega.

  • Helluva | June 6, 2012 5:46 PMReply

    Chiwetel is one of my favorite actors but that role likely belongs to Elba if he wants it. And it doesn't matter that he had a bit part in Thor, especially since that casting got Tea Party types up-in-arms, and Chris Evans has essentially played two VITAL Marvel characters as Torch, now Steve Rogers. Michael Jai White would be a good choice as well, however, he might be better suited for Luke Cage, if the Hero For Hire franchise is ever launched.

  • v | June 7, 2012 3:48 AM

    Michael or Rampage would be great for Hero for hire. Who would play Ironfist?

  • RolandJP | June 6, 2012 5:36 PMReply

    Nate Parker or Aldis Hodge.

    You cant go wrong with Either.

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 7:47 PM

    Have you seen Nate Parker act?

  • Zee | June 6, 2012 5:34 PMReply

    They should have the "Brotha" from Amistad.. In my opinion...

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 7:49 PM

    So impressive you don't even know his name. Anyway he is too old and bald (balding). That's not T'Challa/Black Panther.

  • Chad Happens | June 6, 2012 4:40 PMReply

    I think Chiwetel would be a good pick. However I think Taye Diggs or Jamie Foxx would have a great portrayal of the Arrogant, but honorable king of Wakanda. When I think of casting for T'challa Im thinking about who can go toe to toe with Robert Downey Jr., convincingly shut him down like BP has done to Tony many times. There aren't many "Names" out there fit to do it and be the physical specimen.

  • Ian | June 6, 2012 4:01 PMReply

    Pete Mensah. Not only is he a decent actor but he has been practicing martial arts before the age of 10.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 4:21 PM

    Love Peter Mensah but NO WAY, NO HOW will he be cast in this role.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 4:04 PM

    WOW! An inspired choice for real. He was a beast on SPARTACUS

  • Chris | June 6, 2012 3:52 PMReply

    Michael Jai White.

    End of story.

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  • misha | June 6, 2012 2:56 PMReply

    And no matter how you try to slice it, Ejiofor doesn't "read", look, walk, act younger than he actually is. But what do I know...I'm no expert.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 5:19 PM

    Carey, no need for the psychoanalysis. :) Men like AV and Jug aren't the least bit intimidating to those who come with ACTUAL facts and an opinion that recognizes the nuance of the topics they THINK they are experts on. Jug, in particular, is a culprit of wanting to reduce every issue to what he knows as an "insider," patronizing those who come with a POV that is more complex than his brain will allow him to imagine. No, Jug and his ingorance were on grand display today. He deserves to be mocked for said ignorance, not praised for his empty "insider" info.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 5:06 PM

    LOLOLOLOL! Jug, thank you for not holding back and proving my point. For man who claims to be "in the know" your post often comes off as short-sided, lacking any real insight/thought...just a bunch of hollow nonsense about what you've seen and who you know. And your assessment of my point of view isn't really based on meanness or condescenion. Nope. It's merely an ignorant, sexist rant made by a fool who has the audacity to think he knows more than he actually does. Quite the dangerous combination. But thanks for revealing your true colors!

  • CareyCarey | June 6, 2012 4:54 PM

    Okay Misha, I see where you're coming from. However, that's exactly why I mentioned Jug's and AV's intimidation factor. Check it out... you said they made points which "implied" that someone else's point/suggestion was inferior to theirs, and thus, that constitutes condescension. Well Misha, I have a point of caution. Might their rebuttles/points/opinions been so on spot, strong and fact filled, that they apposing "voice" felt overwhelmed and intimidated to a place of feeling inferior? I believe that's the key. From what I've read over the years, I do not believe either of the gentlemen's comments, are meant to ridicule or embarrass thier opposition. Hell, sometimes I want to reach out and smack the shit out of Jug for being too damn humble and apologetic :-). And AV just says what he's going to say without apology, or without care of what "group" he may be pushing up against. So Misha, I hear what you are saying but maybe you might consider your complicity in the ever present scandalous affairs of Shadow and Act's Comment Section. *LOL*

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 4:38 PM

    Okay Misha. I apologized. And I meant it. But it seems what you really want from me is Meanness & TRUE condescension. That and to have the final word. Okay. Well, here goes. I don't know you. Don't know what you do. Don't really give a shit. You have no fucking clue what really happens in the Industry and your subjective view is full of shit. You don't back it up with any plausible, real world reasons or one that makes any sort of creative sense. You don't seem to have a thorough grasp on films/tv and what goes into making them, much less a strategic thought about how to put them out to the public. You just want to hear yourself talk... to seem quasi-intelligent about the whole thing in whatever rathole you live in. You were MADE for the Internet. Your reasoning, while seeming "sound" is based on your cooch & what gets you wet. In that case, you'd make a great studio executive. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 4:30 PM

    LOL Jug you were doing what you always do. But whatever...I made my point. Carey, making your point by implying that someone else's point/suggestion is inferior to yours = condscending. Perhaps you need to go back and read again? Because that is exactly what both AV and Jug were doing. Your siding with them ain't gonna change a thing. It certainly isn't going to intimdate the likes of Misha.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 4:25 PM

    LMAO Carey you a trip! But you are right, man. This is silly to say the least. Misha, if you were at all offended or have been in the past it was never my intent. It's just that as my profession but more so as a Fan and a Fan of color, this stuff means a lot to me. So I'm not going to talk about it mildly. If that has rubbed you the wrong way, I do Apologize.

  • CareyCarey | June 6, 2012 4:23 PM

    Misha & Jug... BREAK IT UP :-). Listen, I'm sitting on the sidelines enjoying yawls conversation -- and then -- I noticed the low blow hit the table. Yeah Misha my friend, I am looking at you. Your remarks about Jug being condescending and he and AV are the masters of implying that you know more than the rest of us common folk, was -- ah -- an insult and simply not true. From my viewpoint, they are strong in their opinions and support their opinions better than most who comment on this board, and thus, they can be intimidating, but seldom, if ever condescending. So don't make get my big black belt. Kiss and makeup before I have to come back and show my black ass *LOL*

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 4:21 PM

    No Spin there. I was being condescending there. But by then you were already irritating

  • misha | June 6, 2012 4:19 PM

    And no, I wasn't wrong about you being condescending nor did you put me on blast (lol), seeing as though I specifically pointed out how you were being condescending with your line about paying if I weren't. But spin, if you must!

  • misha | June 6, 2012 4:13 PM

    Well Jug, one again, we're talking about someting very subjective and thus, we'll probably never agree. I've seen Parker play older and he was convincing to me. And he'd certainly be convincing playing opposite the likes of Evans and Hemsworth, neither of which really reads older onscreen, IMO. As for Marvel moving away from younger casting, well I don't see much evidence of that. But if they were, I'd be all for Ejiofor in this role. If not, then Parker and Hodge remain my top choices.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 4:01 PM

    Yeah I did read what you wrote Misha. My original comments to you were all fun. And then you got bent & insulted me. So I had to let you know, you were wrong. I'm not condescending, we just disagree. The stuff you felt like adding, for whatever reason, was unnecessary & I put you on blast. Period. NOW, I would like to just have a regular, FUN, civil, time-wasting back & forth with you without all the attacks. But if you can't do that, then we should just call it quits.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:58 PM

    I say that because they are his peers but because of the "bulk" they put on, that ups their age & perceived "heft" on screen. Now if they bulked Nate up, which obviously he'd have to do, he could look their equal. But Evans & Hemsworth no longer look in their 20s. At All. Jeremy Renner is 41 but he doesn't look it. He looks a well worn 35-36. In Capt America, Evans rolling along with Derek Luke & Neal McDonough & he looked every bit their contemporaries. All older than him-McDonough by 16 years. Hemsworth, Hiddleston, Ray Stevenson-they all read older on camera & in their manner. Part Acting, Part just the physical work they did for the movie. I don't see Nate as looking the same age group as the rest of The Avengers once introduced. I'm thinking ahead to what Marvel seems to be putting together. Casting "younger" to have a longer running franchise I don't think is what it once was because Marvel is looking to churn these puppies out quicker. But even if they went late 20s/early 30s I don't get that from Nate-based on the roles he's played tho he's actually 32. Michael Chiklis played THE COMMISH when he was 28 because he was fat & balding. The character was actually at least 10 years older. Shit, Nate still looked young in RED TAILS even though he looked waaay older than everyone else in the group. Guess it was the mustache LOL But I guess you missed when I said Edwin Hodge physically looks like the sort of gravitas that a Panther could have and he's square in the sweet spot at 28. But we are talking NAME actors. And like Visitor said-as we've all said-creates a real problem.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 3:49 PM

    "So if I felt the same way, but I was a garbage collector, would you feel better? Just because it's what I happen to do is what it is. Get Over It.">>> Lordy! Did you even read what I said, Jug?

  • misha | June 6, 2012 3:44 PM

    As for your point about age and casting, would you mind explaining why you think they'll go older, since you're paying attention and all? :) But I believe I said that IF Marvel starts from the beginning, then they'll likely go with a younger T'Challa. And that is certainly more than plausible, given the fact that the majority of the actors cast as leads in superhero films today are late 20s/early 30s. We've had the discussion about Parker before and we'll likely never agree. If he's playing opposite actors like Downey, Jr. and Ruffalo, of course he's going to look younger. But the likes of Evans and Hemsworth? You can't be serious? They are more his peers and he LOOKS like their peers to these eyes.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:36 PM

    So if I felt the same way, but I was a garbage collector, would you feel better? Just because it's what I happen to do is what it is. Get Over It.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 3:32 PM

    LOL Come on now, Jug! You and AV are the masters of implying that you know more than the rest of us common folk. You may not come right out and say "I'm in the business, I know more than you do" but it's pretty evident, at least to me. I mean, just take this comment, for example. "If I disagree with you it's not because "I'm in the business" and you're not. It's because I'm looking at what they're Marvel is putting together as a fan." So you're not disagreeing with me because you're in the business, but rather, you're paying attention and I'm not? LOL! Why can't it simply be that we disagree on a SUBJECTIVE topic? Adding that extra shit is what makes your comments come off as condescending. So nope, it's not just me being too sensitive.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:05 PM

    And you're right, Ejiofor doesn't "read" younger. It's because he's not. You're assuming they're making Black Panther younger. And hey, I'm assuming they'll go older, maybe mid-30s, which means an older actor would be cast. Mid-30s to late 30s, maybe early 40s depending on how well he's taken care of himself. And that is something you can get from just "paying attention" to who is in movies and what roles they play. If Nate is mainly playing guys high school to college age, odds are they're not gonna stick him around actors that would make him LOOK like that (Downey Jr, Ruffalo, Johanssen, Evans, Jackson, Hemsworth).

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:01 PM

    Why do you feel condescended to? If I disagree with you it's not because "I'm in the business" and you're not. It's because I'm looking at what they're Marvel is putting together as a fan. If I wanted to condescend, I'd tell you you didn't know what you're talking about because you don't know who's rep is talking to who blah blah blah. This stuff, like you said, is purely subjective but derived from actually paying attention. I happen to like all the actors you named, but not every Actor I like can do everything. That's just being honest. Shouldn't be so sensitive

  • misha | June 6, 2012 2:53 PMReply

    Oh and I see Jug, the other condescending expert, has joined the party! Welcome, Jug! :)

  • misha | June 6, 2012 2:47 PMReply

    "They scary thing is that the selections that come from black sites like this aren't much better." <<< So says Accidental Visitor, the expert on black leading men. Pssst AV, you do know that these type of discussions are subjective and not agreeing with someone's suggestion doesn't make them any less informed than you claim to be. With that said, no way do I see someone like Oyelowo in this role. IMO, he doesn't have the presence/gravitas to pull off such a character. And as a woman, he doesn't get my juices flowing. Isn't that part of being a leading man?

  • misha | June 6, 2012 11:31 PM

    Oh and Mackie could be given the role/material of his life but he is not and will never match up to Pacino or DeNiro. Nor will he come close to being the next Denzel. The end!

  • misha | June 6, 2012 11:24 PM

    Oh lawd, thank you Nadine! LOL I'd also just like to mention that I have no earthly idea who Oyelowo is married to. Must be a white/non-black woman? Whatever. I don't give a damn, since I don't base my assessments on who an actor is married to. I still love Terrance Howard and Taye Diggs in The Best Man, despite their choices in women and the bullshit that has come out of their mouths. But how not surprising that AV would make such a condescending, sexist assumption.

  • Nadine | June 6, 2012 9:36 PM

    This is not my party, but I've got to slow you down here @AV..., "Pssst, Misha, you probably don't like Oyelowo because of who he is married to since that's how a lot of you roll on S&A."... That right there... is out of control. Pssst, AV, what you're not getting is that no one is sweating you all. Your statement is especially ridiculous given that he isn't even an American that you believe, I guess, Black American women are holding certain standards to? His mouth was the problem, during the "Red Tails" debacle, not his choice of wife (who is a lovely actress) and I think most reasonable women here in the U.S. took his choice of words as a cultural disconnect and, to be honest, ignorance about the movie in which they were starring. So, please stop injecting misogynistic non-sequiturs into valid arguments. You're right, Oyelowo is short. To me, Oyelowo was A-MAZING in "Small Island" (fooled me), but has not been impressive to me in his later works. Also... I couldn't stop thinking "GARY COLEMAN" throughout "Red Tails" every time I saw him, every time... and was distracted by his American accent. I'm trying not to be biased, but there are soooo many burly, theater guys in New York who walk around as if chiseled from stone with booming voices that could shatter cement. In other words... no "A" Hollywood cats who don't make other men feel bad about themselves... Get a no name actor who men want to be, and women want to see.

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 8:17 PM

    Pssst, Misha, you probably don't like Oyelowo because of who he is married to since that's how a lot of you roll on S&A. Just in case you forgot. Nonetheless I'll admit that Oyelowo isn't a perfect choice. He is a good-looking guy I guess but not necessarily sexy. He is also kinda short. But in terms of presence and gravitas? I disagree with your assessment. He is a theater trained performer who always holds his own with anyone whenever he is on the screen. As for your bit about Pacino and DeNiro, the reality is that if Deniro or Pacino hit the ground running in their twenties and were limited to the lukewarm roles that Mackie has been limited to the masses would never have found them attractive or even memorable at all. Oh, a relative few would think otherwise. That's the case with any actor. But would they have become idols without those classics roles they were given in the 70s and early 80s? Hell, no. Great and successful movies MAKE stars. You can be a great driver but if you get a car that can't hold up you'll never win the race. There are always other actors who are as good or charismatic as the ones that become the household names but their careers never launch because didn't get those roles that transform careers. You don't think Viola Davis wasn't a pretty good actress 15 or so years ago? I know for one thing not too many people (including black people) knew a thing about her. But she finally started getting noeworthy roles in noteworthy films and now all of a sudden she is a star with presence and arguably, in many people's eyes, the greatest actress of her generation. That's what good parts do for you. Countless black actors/actresses have had careers that never got off the ground because of the limits placed upon people of their skin color.

  • Charles Judson | June 6, 2012 4:26 PM

    Kerry had the more interesting present day conflict. The ex-Black Panther trying to keep her foot in her old life while reconciling with her new life as a lawyer gave her more to play with, and isn't something we see too often. Class, class mobility and class conflict is usually missing in films about the Civil Rights movement (we often forget that lots of the leaders were middle class and had been for years, so poorer Black folks didn't feel fully represented). And her underlying backstory about the choice she had to make added extra layers. Mackie's character by contrast didn't have as much to lose, and arguably already lost, so as a result he had easier choices. Hence the one he makes at the end doesn't carry as much weight as it should. So I could say it's one actor being stronger than the other, but I would definitely have to say it's partially in the writing. Still think it's a really good film though.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 4:12 PM

    I liked it too Charles. For me, Kerry's character seemed more interesting. Yeah, maybe it was writing...LOL

  • Charles Judson | June 6, 2012 4:04 PM

    I really enjoyed NIGHT CATCHES US. However, it's a film that doesn't have a strong dramatic arc. It's a great examination of a time and place, but as a strong character piece it's little bit lacking in that area, and it shows in the conflict between the cop and the cousin (or was it the nephew) which comes off more melodramatic than essential to the story. However, you're right, because there are actors who just take over, regardless of the material. But, I do think Mackie has a presence and he's so far held is own. He needs his HIGH FIDELITY (Jack Black) or MEAN STREETS to really show what he can do, if he indeed has that higher gear. Which isn't likely to happen in the more mainstream, Hollywood films he's been in.

  • misha | June 6, 2012 3:58 PM

    Oh! I see Jug and I finally agree on something! Mackie (and Oyelowo to a lesser extent) have had their chances to impress me. Were they presented with the best opportunities/material? No. But even when the script/movie isn't up to par, the best still find a way to shine and Mackie, especially, hasn't made me sit up and take notice.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:41 PM

    Hmm, that's a good point Charles. But it doesn't always have to be a crafted film. I saw NIGHT CATCHES US & didn't really care about him. Same with SHE HATE ME. MILLION DOLLAR BABY, there's always a way to try and get your shine on even if the whole thing isn't about you. Don Cheadle in COLORS, Phillip Seymour Hoffman in BOOGIE NIGHTS, even Joan Cusack in SIXTEEN CANDLES. Part of it is the writing, Yes, but the other part of it is that they said "Fuck it, I'm gonna make this small thing as big & as full as it can be without going over the top."

  • Charles Judson | June 6, 2012 3:37 PM

    Is it the lack of taking chances? Or is it the fact that DeNiro was able to be in a film like MEAN STREETS by the time he was 29. Has someone crafted a film like that that Mackie could be in?

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:28 PM

    And you know what, I think the issue with Mackie is that he doesn't seem to take any chances. He's not bad at all but aside from showing his butt cheeks in SHE HATE ME, nothing he does really grabs you. It doesn't have to be dangerous as in "might kill you" dangerous but doing things that grab your attention.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 3:21 PM

    HAHAHAHHAHA Misha I couldn't agree more! Yeah, let's hope that charisma, intensity, all those good "Aktah" stuff is comin' back in style :-)

  • misha | June 6, 2012 3:18 PM

    Jug, Pacino and DeNiro may not have Redford's conventional good looks, but you know what they do have? An incalcuable amount of charisma, intensity and screen presence that makes Redford's good looks irrelevant. I'd say we're seeing something similar now with the likes of Michael Fassbender. Sure, he's no "hunk" a la Brad Pitt. But he is essentially Pacino/DeNiro my humble opinion, that is! :) I've seen enough of Oyelowo to know that he doesn't even come close...he nor Mackie. If they are next in line for the black leading men roles, then we're in a lot of trouble.

  • Jug | June 6, 2012 2:51 PM

    Well, that depends. Al P & Robert DeNiro are characters who blew the door open to become leading men. Everyone wanted Robert Redford to play Michael Corleone. But now, people are drawn to Al Pacino & there's an undeniable charisma, but I wouldn't say he "gets juices flowin'" like Brad Pitt...or so the ladies tell me LOL

  • hiveship99 | June 6, 2012 2:45 PMReply

    Studios will not go with an unnamed Black Actor for the Superhero role. It is already a risk with White actors and since studios are EXTRA nervous about "Black" movies anyway, they would try to get the biggest bang for their buck. I would love lesser known actor but somehow the crop of youngsters don't seem to have the same acting chops as the Elbas, Hounsous, and Ejiofors.

  • Dominique Marsell | June 6, 2012 2:39 PMReply

    All you have to do is watch the Reginald Hudlin BLACK PANTHER motion-comic DVD. Its all you need to know about the character. Djimon Hounsou is a year younger than Robert Downey Jr. so save all the OLD talk for an actor who does NOT have Djimon Hounsou's physique. Djimon Hounsou should ATLEAST play T'challa's father T'Chaka after already voicing the character in the motion-comic DVD. For Rampage's name to be even mention in this article is a SHAME when he couldn't even coherently play Mr. T in A-Team. Idris Elba is already a character in the MARVEL Studio universe so he cannot be T'Challa.

  • AccidentalVisitor | June 6, 2012 2:22 PMReply

    Oyelowo would be a good possibility as well.

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