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S&A 2013 Highlights: Why White People Don't Like Black Movies

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by Andre Seewood
January 17, 2014 11:18 AM
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Editor's note: As 2014 begins, I've been reposting some of our 2013 highlights. Those who've already read each one can obviously skip them, or revisit if you'd like. For those who joined us later in the year, missing many of these posts from earlier in the year, they will probably be new items. Here's a piece originally published in July that's caused quite a stir, and is still drawing the occasional comment today. Happy New Year to you all! 

To get to the short explanation of this loaded assertion I have to narrowly define what I mean by “Black” movies.  Black movies are those films with a majority Black cast that situate Whites, if any, in peripheral or non-influential roles.  No matter what the genre and no matter what the race of the director, these kinds of Black films, we are told, form a niche market within the broader domestic U.S. market and are but a tiny fraction of the Global film marketplace.  Now that I’ve established this narrow definition we can explore a brief series of questions beginning with the assertion that is the title of this piece.

Why White people don’t like Black movies.

A vast majority of White people don’t like Black movies because they lack the empathy necessary to identify with Black characters which in turn affects their ability to “suspend disbelief” and surrender to the narrative of a Black film.  What has been called the Racial Empathy Gap in various sociological studies conducted by researchers at the University of Milano-Bicocca and the University of Toronto Scarborough have revealed that,” The human brain fires differently when dealing with people outside of one’s own race.”(1)  This study found that the degree of mental activity when White participants watched non-White men performing a task was significantly lower than when they watched people of their own race performing the same task. “In other words people were less likely to mentally simulate the actions of other-race than same-race people.” (2)

When we watch a film we are watching images of people doing tasks in the pursuit of a goal to change a circumstance and it stands to reason that if the threshold of empathy in Whites is higher when watching non-Whites perform certain tasks because of the Racial Empathy Gap, then if the Whites are watching a Black film such a high empathy threshold would make the suspension of disbelief difficult and attenuate the pleasure of their viewing experience.

But it is often difficult to transpose such highly controlled academic research into a diverse cultural enterprise such as the cinema, so I offer here my own anecdotal evidence that would seem to confirm how the Racial Empathy Gap negatively impairs the ability of Whites to be entertained by a Black film.

In January of 2011 the Wayne State University Media Arts and Communication department hosted a special event with Academy Award winning Asian-American Editor Richard Chew (Star Wars IV: A New Hope-1977, One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest- 1975, Waiting to Exhale- 1995) at the esteemed Detroit Film Theatre.  There was an on stage interview with the acclaimed editor with clips from the various films he had worked on throughout his career. He amused the audience with juicy tidbits of behind the scenes encounters with various movie stars and directors of whom the audience was familiar.

The event also included a full screening of the groundbreaking 1964 film NOTHIN’ BUT A MAN (Michael Roemer) which Chew credited as a major inspiration for getting him involved in the film industry since he was in law school when he saw it and started his career soon after.

This Black film starring Ivan Dixon and Abbey Lincoln which has a story that can be understood as an important harbinger of the Civil Rights Movement was playing to a packed house that night: ¾ White and ¼ Black.  Yet I noticed and couldn’t help but to keep track of the fact that 10 minutes after the house lights went off and the film started many Whites began discreetly heading towards the exits.  Two by two, White couples and individuals continued to leave the screening as the film was on, until by the film’s end only the Blacks and a handful of Whites remained.  I was stunned because I assumed that the older White couples in attendance, who would have been young adults during the Sixties, surely could empathize with the Civil Rights issues dramatized with the film, but the emptying out of the theatre would seem to confirm that some Whites –no matter how tolerant- are unwilling or unable to overcome their Racial Empathy Gap and watch a dramatic film with a majority Black cast.

Specifically, a film whose story does not show Blacks interacting with Whites in servitude, deference, or emotional dependence.  In other words, when the fictional world within the film is exclusively under Black control and influence, as was the case with NOTHIN’ BUT A MAN, many Whites snuck out during the screening, if they dared go see it at all.

The effects of such a Racial Empathy Gap may not negatively influence all Whites when they are viewing a Black film as was evidenced by those Whites who stayed through the entire screening, but it would seem to have had a strong negative influence upon a large number of Whites who had attended the event.

Now of course the Racial Empathy Gap does not directly correlate to a racist attitude or mentality, but it would seem to suggest that there is a certain comfort level experienced with one’s own race that extends to the attention one gives and the pleasure one receives from watching a narrative film.  As film scholar Anna Everett has mentioned Whites don’t take notice when there are no minorities or Blacks in a film, but Blacks do.  “Even if Whites recognize the exclusion it will have different meanings for them.” (3)  Conversely, Whites do seem to take notice when there are no Whites in a film and, it would seem, respond by leaving the theatre or not going to the see the film at all.

Another anecdotal example concerning Whites dislike of Black films is found in the negative comments thrown at Irish director Bill Sheridan for making GET RICH OR DIE TRYIN’ (2005): He says,” Everybody keeps saying,’ You know, you made a black movie.’ And I keep saying,’ No, I made a movie . . . I made the same movie if I were making it in Dublin or London or anywhere.’ I didn’t approach it like its special. I’m used to Belfast. It’s the same.”(Slave Cinema, 35) Now we can assume with a reasonable degree of certainty that the “They” being referred to were White critics and industry insiders whose comments seemed to be specifically targeted at Jim Sheridan for making one of “those” movies; Black movies that they don’t really want to experience.

Before addressing the deleterious consequences of the Racial Empathy Gap on Black cinema as a whole it would be prudent to ask a question from the assertion with which we began in the opposite context.

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  • Shuwanda | August 25, 2014 11:39 PMReply

    At the beginning of the awards they interviewed an actress on the red carpet, and it wasn't 20 seconds until she brought up the subject of "being an african american" in the entertainment industry. This is so so typical, how often rather than something more substantial, it's a predictable beeline to talking about identity as a race. People should find their identity in something deeper and OTHER THAN what color their epithelials are. They should have a "ringing bell" and every time someone brings up their surface color aspect rather than something more meaningful that bell needs to ring, bringing attention to the predictable elephant in the room. If people can't at least BE creative, they should occasionally try to fake it just to not be boring and predictable !

  • Beamer | August 19, 2014 4:13 PMReply

    Wow. I read a lot of these comments and some are provocative for both sides of this article. The comments leave me so disillusioned. To summarize, there goes another black person playing the race card or blaming their lack of success on the white man. Why don't you just get a job, stop being lazy and father your kids you racist. I can hardly look up a recipe without someone expressing this sentiment. Is there a line between stereotyping and racism? The question is for all races.

  • Alex | August 20, 2014 6:10 AM

    It's a sensitive (And complicated) subject so expect emotionally charged comments on both sides of the argument.

  • Alex | August 12, 2014 9:04 AMReply

    One of my favourite actors is Idris Elba. I want to to see a film that either breaks new ground, has an actor/actress I admire/follow or has a incredible story. I can't say this article rings true for me at all. Personally for me it is ridiculous.

  • Alex | August 12, 2014 11:29 AM

    No, you've twisted my words. I didn't say this article wasn't true. I said personally "for me" it is ridiculous. This is the comments section and I think we are entitled to a few of our own personal opinions are we not?

    By using Edris as an example I was merely pointing to one reason I would watch a movie - a great actor. Black or not is irrelevant. I can empathize with Elba him just fine and he does happen to be one of my favorite actors. I could go on listing great black actors but it's a pointless exercise. I'm perfectly aware of what aspects of movies attract me (some of which I've stated above) and race isn't a factor. Nor do I have a problem empathizing with characters in films that happen to be black. Films are often filled with universal themes after all - Struggle, betrayal, love, loss etc.

    Last thing - I don't like the way you used the "one black friend" analogy to insinuate I could be harboring negative perceptions of black people. I don't know if it was intended that way but it felt implied to me.

  • Andre Seewood | August 12, 2014 9:58 AM

    What you have written is the equivalent of saying," I have one Black friend," but as we all know just because a White person has one Black friend does not mean that they like Black people or do not harbor negative stereotypes and perceptions of Black people as a group. Furthermore, you would have to read the entire article and comprehend the issues being discussed to realize that it's not about if the article rings true for you personally, but how such perception impact the ability of Black filmmakers to make films with incredible stories with the Black actors and actresses you "admire".

  • Jassi | August 12, 2014 12:13 AMReply

    Why don't black people like white movies?

  • Alex | August 12, 2014 11:28 AM

    I've accidentally posted this in reply to the wrong post. Apologies - please feel free to delete this comment.

  • Alex | August 12, 2014 11:27 AM

    No, you've twisted my words. I didn't say this article wasn't true. I said personally "for me" it is ridiculous. This is the comments section and I think we are entitled to a few of our own personal opinions are we not?

    By using Edris as an example I was merely pointing to one reason I would watch a movie - a great actor. Black or not is irrelevant. I can empathize with Elba him just fine and he does happen to be one of my favorite actors. I could go on listing great black actors but it's a pointless exercise. I'm perfectly aware of what aspects of movies attract me (some of which I've stated above) and race isn't a factor. Nor do I have a problem empathizing with characters in films that happen to be black. Films are often filled with universal themes after all - Struggle, betrayal, love, loss etc.

    Last thing - I don't like the way you used the "one black friend" analogy to insinuate I could be harboring negative perceptions of black people. I don't know if it was intended that way but it felt implied to me.

  • Andre Seewood | August 12, 2014 9:59 AM

    You would have to have read the entire article to realize how ridiculous your "question" appears as a commentary on this article.

  • WiIll carr | August 11, 2014 10:49 PMReply

    Cauz they shuck and jive no fo

  • Costa200 | August 10, 2014 10:23 AMReply

    Yet another black guy complaining and spending hours writing an article of several pages explaining why a certain sector of culture isn't having success. I would think that such energy spent thinking of ways to have success instead of complaining about it would be much more useful in the enterprise of actually having success, but i digress.

    I want to call into question the very own definition of "black movie". How many "black movies" consist in making out the white people as the culprit of all black problems? Half or more? Would you go to a movie that you know would make your race look like cause of all suffering and hardship?

    Isn't most "black movies" absolutely racist in their dealing with the very issue of race? If i describe a "white movie" where the plot revolves around an Iberian boy captured by black Muslim africans during the Reconquista and his fight against his brutal captors. Doesn't it sound a little racially charged? Would black people line up to see black people as invading marauders and slavers? Or would they throw a fit and do rallies against a movie (that is based on very believable and historically correct facts by the way)?

    Most movie goers don't care about race. They want good plots and actors. Morgan Freeman, Samuel Jackson and Denzel Washington are acting gods. Will see anything that has them. But you want me to sit and go through an hour of "black people good, white people bad" weak ass movie with no merit whatsoever? It won't happen.

    Look at "12 year a slave". Mostly black movie. But managed to convey an interesting plot with multidimensional characters. Fine movie! Great success. Most movies about hip hop and fight against the "man" and the Pooolice are racist shit. Period.

    It's not about being black or white. It's bad movies vs good movies. And many "black movies" aren't good enough, as they only appeal to the feeling of race. How is a white person going to be motivated to see a movie that is not meant to appeal to white people. In fact, the opposite is true.

  • Andre Seewood | August 12, 2014 10:11 AM

    The most revealing aspect of this commentary is also the most ridiculous aspect of this commentary. It has to do with your erroneous definition of Black film wherein which you state that,"I want to call into question the very own definition of "black movie". How many "black movies" consist in making out the white people as the culprit of all black problems? Half or more?" You would've done well to have made a tentative list of the Black films that make out White people as the culprit of all Black problems. Perhaps the reason that you didn't is because such a definition of Black film is false and is racially negative and shortsighted in its very implications. Furthermore, even if most moviegoers don't care about race as you assert, this article really applies to those Whites who are in control of the American Entertainment Complex and who exert a negative influence upon studio produced Black films by their negative perceptions of Black film and to whom such films will appeal. If you want to have an intelligent and productive conversation about race in the cinema it would have to begin by reading entirely and earnestly comprehending the assertions and observations of those on the other side of the issue before simply asserting the dominant perspective and its justifications.

  • Bixby | August 3, 2014 3:32 AMReply

    I think the topic of this article is invalid. Its not just whites but all the races are not interested in African american history. I am of asian descent and seriously sick and tired of all the racism, inferiority complexes and retribution sh*t. We as asians faced worst possible racism, segregation and even my family was forced to live in a camp during the second world war for 5 years. But we kept out head down and worked hard and achieved success. Blacks are just finding reasons to blame for their lack of success. The fact is that they don't want to work and just want to sit and get rich which is not gonna happen. So they get frustrated and keep brining up slavery which happened a while ago and none of the blacks living here have ever faced slavery. So let it go.

  • Beamer | August 19, 2014 4:05 PM

    Wow.

  • biodome | August 3, 2014 8:48 AM

    Hey Asian descent are you still being discriminated against after achieving all this success? Yeah I thought so, you and all the others will always come last when it comes to the white race.

  • Andre Seewood | August 3, 2014 6:00 AM

    @Bixby, But I wouldn't hold the stunningly stupid, insulting and racist opinion that you just expressed against all Asians. Again I say, expressing racist comments against an article that itself is against the systemic effects of racism- is the height of hypocrisy and the nadir of ignorance.

  • Andre Seewood | August 2, 2014 6:24 AMReply

    I find it extremely interesting that one of the most consistent opinions expressed by Whites here in this commentary section is that if you quit looking at people by race there wouldn't be any racial issues to talk about or observe. It's a little like telling a cancer patient to stop thinking about his cancer and it will go away, don't you think? Ignoring racial disparities, inequities and systemic power imbalances divided along racial lines does not make these problems go away; it only makes it easier to continue practicing and holding on to racially derogatory stereotypes, prejudices, discriminatory polices, procedures and racist ideologies.

  • brownShaft | August 2, 2014 3:29 AMReply

    I understanding your need to be wanted and your need to be appreciated by others but let it go man. We as Indians and Pakistani have already figured out that we have no future in this film industry so we make our own and market our products in our own majorities so why don't you do the same?

  • Crispi | August 27, 2014 7:10 PM

    Yeah but you are living in a country where you are the majority, paid for and watched by. Let's see how well Indians and Pakistani movies when you funded and watched by only those who live in places like the USA and England. And also please read the comment posted by BLA_ME. So even then Bollywood is not perfect and still has its own problem dealing with racism.

  • AK_FU | August 2, 2014 3:12 AMReply

    I like to see more African-Americans as well as African-Canadians including all people from the colonized islands as lead characters in up-coming films that are not based off religion and I feel there has to be equality in all aspects of film production in north America whether in-front of the camera or behind the scenes because we know the culture, we know what we want to see and you punk-as stuck up directors don't feel, you have to be emotional to feel emotional content and you are prick so let more colored producers and directors enter the scene that can spice up your taste. Ask your grl she tell you about it...

  • bla_me | August 2, 2014 2:20 AMReply

    We are complaining what white people do but how about we we do to ourselves, take for example India, the Bollywood film industry is dominated by brown people yet every actor/actress looks almost white due to extreme make-up and bleaching of the skin so how can we complain about colored people in films here? when in those countries like India/Pakistan people are trying to be white? Majority of Indians do not look at all like what they put on film and television, those a hole Indian film producers are trying to make their majority look like sht by excessive use of lighting and make-up on their actors/actress, at least here it is a bit realistic as we can find hot blondes on the streets not that different on film in Hollywood even tho filters makes them look more pure, less pasty, or frekley, freak linesh...

  • 14th_centuryBro | August 2, 2014 1:33 AMReply

    how about an epic film on the fist boats that entered west African countries and grabbed Muslim engineers to build and operate boats??????????

  • Film on Hitler | August 2, 2014 1:28 AMReply

    How about a real film about Hitler that is opposite of what has been produced about Hitler? or how about jewish catholic orhpan turned deversirm'e turned Janissary turned wizard turned Templar turned pope turned priest turned some omish inbreed tribes of the European destitute provided with land and slaves that somehow became the KKK in America all whole pretending to be Aryans---liars.

  • fk_el_cyd | August 2, 2014 1:20 AMReply

    I don't like to see stereotypical films continued to be produced despite learning about stereo typical films in film schools. I don't understand why all the hate? They got some Spanish dude to play a dirty filthy Arab? why you guys abusing the film industry? You don't you know what this will lead to in the future.....for example Palestinians presented as true victims of racism, they are African, Arabs, brown and black people, showing north Africans as part of African society and Israel as south Africans (Europeans, Russians) etc.. When in-fact they were put on boats from Russia, Germany, Italy including U.K that went against Germany which is a crazy discovery of removal of certain kinds of people from society and despite that they lick their butts and are supported by them so why hate on Africans? Arabs? it's African resources, it belongs to them not white people who you call Israel Just look at them, do they look African? this is by far the biggest racist movement supported by north America to date. Any films on it????

  • non_syrian_embed_in_syria | August 2, 2014 12:39 AMReply

    Is it true that North America including Canada does not poses any American or Canadian born Egyptian or Syrian journalist that could have been sent to be our foreign embeds? report back on our national television channels? they are people with Syrian, Egyptian ethnic backgrounds so why did we not here it from their mouths? because our majority does not trust, even if they manage to put some Egyptian or Syrian, Libyan, Iraqi or Afghani on, it will be an embed of their own in faith with a name they can trust, when they trust it they watch it, like we here, don't trust a single word that comes out the mouths of the present day embeds, they could be telling the truth but because they poses zero credibility to Muslims we know better...

  • I had a big b 4 can | August 2, 2014 12:46 AM

    The person who wrote this blog is on the right track because it is the truth, people want to see what they want to see and the majority rules, it is called democracy, now you can influence that dominance but overall it will; remain dominant. I just don't know why foreign markets try to copy them? they large numbers they should cater to their own dominance.

  • Cantsayman | August 2, 2014 12:01 AMReply

    I am a brown man and I am sick and tired of the films out there, I had already gave up Television due to non-stop commercials that just made me unplug but films are not suppose to be annoying as commercials and I am beginning to lose interest because I do not identify with the story line with most of the films coming out, the comedy and the presumed hero and heroin that are always the same. I do not want my kids to grow up thinking they are second class to anyone, so we must have our own audiences of north America and not to be depended upon Bollywood as an alternative when only to trying to avoid Hollywood films as a personal enjoyment of entertainment so I must have watched over 100 black films this summer and have enjoyed watching. Also, it is clear in the films that the lead characters are colored and kids begin to think that they can also be hero. I hope to see brown people doing more films that we can relate to in north America.

  • Beamer | August 19, 2014 4:20 PM

    Makes you wonder. You can walk down the street of any big city and see the colors of the rainbow. When you turn on the TV or go to a movie you don't see diversity reflected. The reason is - people won't watch. It is all about the money.

  • they are still watching | August 2, 2014 12:20 AM

    As per special effects, graphics, breath-taking scenes, camera techniques, wardrobe and location. They are just some of the things that make non-colored film makers great at action-thrillers, Disney etc...because we enjoy those kinds of films with our kids so it is not all boring, it's the dialogs, lead actors/actress that needs to change because it seems a bit artificial and corny.

  • hoo boy | July 31, 2014 1:05 PMReply

    I was stunned because I assumed that the older White couples in attendance, who would have been young adults during the Sixties, surely could empathize with the Civil Rights issues dramatized with the film,

    Your understanding of America is flawed. Whites who empathized with CR issues were The Exception, not the rule. The Civil Rights Movement was necessary because of them.

    This isn't surprising at all.

  • Over | July 31, 2014 3:23 AMReply

    "Whites do seem to take notice when there are no Whites in a film and, it would seem, respond by leaving the theatre or not going to the see the film at all."

    It's good to know that we're being observed from a zoological perspective.
    In this respect your comment immediately brings to mind Tyler Perry's god-awful tripe that spans a decade... aside from that, I'm not clear on what you mean by a "black movie". Or a "white movie", even. Aside from his Oldboy remake, Spike Lee has all of the respect I can give to a filmmaker. Michael Bay, although white, is an over-payed hack. If you want to play a race card, sure, everything and everyone is a bigot in the right light; in the viewing of that premier, if you think that white people in the audience got up and left out of spite while the black people stayed out of some misguided race-oriented obligation, that's a damn fantasy. I am sick to the core of being an assumed racist just because I'm white. Congratulations on being the casual racist that made me realize that.

  • AsianChic | July 31, 2014 2:13 AMReply

    What a load of crap. I have dated men of all races. Even black men. Do you know what really surprised me when I got to know all of these men. That the assertions made in this piece are complete and utter junk. OK, so one of the assertions is that whites have a great degree of difficulty connecting to black characters. Really? Explain the popularity of actors like Will Smith, Jamie Foxx, Laurence Fishburne, James Earl Jones, Morgan Freeman, Eddie Murphy, Damon Wayans, Samuel L. Jackson, Danny Glover, Ving Rhames, LeVar Burton, Shemar Moore, Louis Gossett Jr., Forest Whitaker, Cuba Gooding Jr., Denzel Washington, Anthony Mackie, Terrence Howard, Billy Dee Williams, Don Cheadle, and Keith David. I got this list from my white fiancee. Would you be surprised that he was barely able to name more white actors? I asked him to name black male actors that he likes to see, or can see, and can identify with in leading-man roles. What's funny is that several times, with white actors, we had to look up the movie they were in so he could see their face and say, "that guy." He knew their face, and liked them in a movie, but didn't know their name.

    Now, what about music? Most of the white guys I knew and dated, had very diverse music collections. Everything from country, to classic rock, to new rock, to classical, to R&B, to hip-hop, to rap. One guy introduced me to what he called Heroic Epics, my favorite being one called "Undying Love," by a group called 2SFH.

    Black guys I knew thought being diverse meant having both hip-hop and rap. And they thought they were the paragon of diversity if they also had some R&B. I would often ask them why they didn't have some country, or some rock music. They would say that they couldn't relate to it. Most also had a library full of "black movies," but few if any white movies. By white movies, I mean not being an epic movie like Star Wars, 300, Braveheart, The Hobbit, etc...

    Now we get to sports. Black athletes dominate nearly every popular sport. yet white men bring their families to these events repeatedly. The NFL is blacker than ever and yet is also more popular than ever. Why is that? This despite the fact that the rules keep turning it into a sprinting sport as opposed to an endurance sports. Endurance versions of football, also known as Rugby and Soccer, are not nearly as popular, and yet those two sports have a more fair distribution of white players. Maybe white people aren't really as racist as you people want to make them out to be.

  • steve | July 28, 2014 6:06 PMReply

    I can tell you that what turns off many whites about watching black movies is often and deliberately being made victims of abusive jokes and references. No race likes that but if its a documentary there is a time and a place for historical reference and some mud-slinging is expected. Blacks often irritate whites deliberately though in comedy, music and cinema. That is not the extent of what their culture has to offer and the get-even-with-whitey stuff can really be insulting especially when many whites have gone out of their way to be open-minded and done many things to help blacks. A white person just going to a black event displays a willingness to be open-minded. To sit through obnoxious accusations alienates and that destroys feelings of empathy. Thus, its more than we are just different. I would dare say a white person in the united states will be more empathetic with a different black person from africa than a different black person from the united states when watching cinema because there is more open-mindedness when abuse is not as expected. Just some thoughts...

  • Tim | July 22, 2014 2:39 PMReply

    I disagree that this is a "race" issue. This article classifies any film that has a significant white role as a white movie and limits the black movies to any film that whites are relegated to the background. By their definition, Blade is a white movie even though the main character is played by Wesley Snipes. This would also include nearly every Denzel Washington and Samuel L Jackson movie being categorized as white movies.

    So basically, the fact that these are all A list actors and white audiences love their movies is disregarded because the cast and story lines are presented to appeal to a broad audience.

    Whereas, movies that they consider "black movies" are specifically written to appeal to an urban culture that can directly relate to the story line and plot elements. I would say that white audiences were just as uncomfortable in general watching the movie 8 Mile as they are watching a "black" film in the same setting. It is culturally foreign and unappealing to the majority of people who did not grow up in that culture.

    To make it harder to watch, most of those same films imply white privilege and oppressiveness over black or at least carry a big racial chip against white people. This creates a hostile environment for the white audience members to trust the narration sufficiently to suspend disbelief.

  • Nikky Tarns | July 15, 2014 2:42 PMReply

    Oh ok, so the reason I dont like Medea goes to jail isn't because its a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE movie, It's because im a racist

  • Andre Seewood | July 15, 2014 2:53 PM

    No, but it could be said that you suffer from some degree of a lack of racial empathy because you believe that Medea goes to jail is somehow representative of all of contemporary Black cinema.

  • Diamonds67 | July 11, 2014 11:37 AMReply

    I was reading a book called: 'They don't want us here' by Kevin Watson The writer went through arson attempt racism as white people could not empathise never mind live next door to a negro. This took place in England. White people will never watch black movies have black neighbours but they will steal from Africa oil minerals and gold

  • orein | July 8, 2014 7:14 PMReply

    anchors from CBS like Otis Livinstain and cindy Shu must be checked by police they loaded with illigal drugs meny black peaople from brooklyn meeting Otis to get drugs Cindy Shu she hold killos of cocaine at her apartment and when they are ont brake they tal king how to kill peaple and iven stuff go back to your contries

  • Em | July 6, 2014 3:02 PMReply

    Honest opinion: I am not white, but Asian-American. Asian-Americans are not very much represented in mainstream media, but a lot of us tend to follow "white" entertainment (like pop songs, action films, etc.) Personally, I admit to being one of the preps who loved Backstreet Boys and (teenage) Britney as a kid, and was never a huge fan of rap/hip-hop. I like Harry Potter and LOTR films, and cannot sit through a Tyler Perry film. I don't think whitewashed films are objectively better than Black films, but at the same time, I don't genuinely relate to or like a lot of Black culture. I think people should just like what they like, and try new things, but it shouldn't be held against me for not liking Black entertainment.

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  • SallyBobo | June 27, 2014 12:00 PMReply

    There are certain black movies I like, and ones I don't. The ones that are all about naked girls, drugs and sex I don't like. Same with the few white movies that are like that, but anyone would be a liar if they tried to deny that most black movies are like that.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 28, 2014 8:01 PM

    @SALLYBOBO- SALLY, I think perhaps you have not actually seen many black movies in your' sheltered life. Only a very small percentage of them are about sex,drugs,and nudity, and most of them are comedies much like all the white comedies of the same type. You should watch the HBO series "True Blood". A sheltered one such as yourself would enjoy it.

  • Ancalagon | June 25, 2014 10:00 PMReply

    You miss one important fact. A lot of "Black" movies suck. The characters are broad and stereotypical and they have thinly developed plots. Tyler Perry movies are a prime example.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 26, 2014 1:19 AM

    @ ANCALAGON, Many movies suck. Putting the word black in your' reference to movies of poor quality only proves Andre's point, therefore you must be in agreement with him.

  • Andre Seewood | June 25, 2014 11:04 PM

    And you miss an even more important fact: your assertion that "a lot of Black movies suck," is itself a broad and stereotypical generalization that itself is derived from the circumstances this article investigates.

  • Amicus | June 21, 2014 2:29 PMReply

    In my humble uninformed opinion, I think that people all over the world like to watch things/movies/TV shows they can identify with and can see themselves in, or they can aspire to. And that's the reason that to me (mind you I'm uninformed) the future is interracial movies/TV shows where everybody gets a piece of their ego fulfilled.
    Most whites (IMO) do have a mild curiosity in black casting when it's multi-racial.

    Successful models:
    Scandal
    Grey's Anatomy
    Resurrection
    The Originals
    Shows who introduce race as a primary or repeated topic quickly lose their white audience and middle-class black audience.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 22, 2014 2:53 AM

    I am partially, maybe mostly responsible for turning this entertainment forum into a forum concerning racicm. I apologize, Andre. I simply was unable to find another forum online where my opinions would not be censored. AMISCUS, I think you may be brilliant for the way you have brought the topic back to what Andre intended it to be and covered racism outside of rhe entertainment genre simultaneously.

  • Amicus | June 21, 2014 4:34 PM

    One of the reality blacks need to be cognizant of is, that blacks are 44 million of a nation of 318 million Americans, so TV/movies will tend to represent the bare majority.
    Also, of that 44 million there is about 50% who are either young children or otherwise incapable or uninterested in TV watching or paying money for movies, so we are talking an advertiser demo of less than 20 million for TV an even much less for movie patronage.
    And so goes the reason there are limitations on black movies and TV shows - It's dollar green not race black.
    So, either in music, movie or TV, cross-over is needed to be a commercial success of some magnitude, so people who finance movies or advertisers will chase the larger population who happens to be much more affluent in disposable income. - It's about the numbers not the color.
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    My prediction is that bi-racial people/children will become extremely celebrated in movies and TV shows and by advertisers, but all black ensemble shows will not be so lucky.
    --
    Interracial couples on TV will become the norm both in commercials and on shows, and it won't because the Show-Runners/Directors/Casting Directors have a conscience, it will be because it's what will sell, it will even sell in those many American townships where black representation is less than 1% - and there are many, many places like that.
    --

    @Andre Seewood
    Scandal is a show with a a dominant black female lead, operating within America as it is now, in reality.
    Grey's Anatomy is a multi-color, multi-cultural show not dominated by color but by status and connection. It's an aspirational show.

  • Andre Seewood | June 21, 2014 3:13 PM

    Whereas I agree with your point,"... people all over the world like to Watch things/movies/TV shows they can identify with and can see themselves in, or they can aspire to," the expansion of this discussion into the realm of television with the various shows you cited would necessitate multiple changes in the argument put forth in the article. For one, in many of the shows you cite, the Black characters are in the service of Whites (i.e. Scandal) and thus I would contend that the presence of the Black characters in a show where Whites are in control of the circumstances is not as great a threat to the empathy thresholds of the White viewers as it would be in a two hour film where Whites have non-power oriented roles. Also, you have to consider the impact of television commercials which are mini-narratives in themselves (something that French director Jean-Luc Godard had mentioned to us decades ago) whose prepondance of characters are White and in control of the circumstances they represent and the products they are advertising. Not to mention news media and their representation of crime and race. My point here is that the inclusion of television media into this argument only expands our application of the thesis in such a way that the shows that appear progressive in casting often regress to the same racial hierarchies and tendencies of the narrative films because the effect of empathy is stretched over a long period of time (a 13 week television season as opposed to a two hour film), and the White characters of the multi-racial cast are in positions that represent power, wealth or higher class status. This is why many Black characters are "killed off" on many television series because after the initial ratings stablize the producers become secure that they have a White audience and thus the Black characters are expendable for dramatic effect. And even with the black shows we would have to factor in the effect of television commericals and television programs that are majority White cast as a means of retaining racial hierachies and making sure that if the Black show introduces,"...race as a primary or repeated topic," it can be cancelled and replaced with more normative fare. But even though you called your opinion "humble and uninformed" it nonetheless makes one think further. Thank you.

  • Cro | June 21, 2014 1:40 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski

    Since this is a Black site, why don't you watch some of Dr. Farrakhan's youtube exposes on the control of the Jews in America. And read SECRET RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BLACKS & JEWS VOL I & VOL II. (Both available as a free pdf download on the internet)

    The Jews can't help but boast of their controlling accomplishments. Prime Minsters of Israel, Ariel Sharon & Netanyahu both have publicly boasted about how they control America. They are pretty sure that their One World Order Agenda can't be neutralized at the present time.

    And the top levels of the Illuminati and Masonic organizations are controlled by Jews with the lower level of the pyramids ignorant of what the Jews are doing at the top. Same goes for the CIA, FBI, and Mosaad in which a compartmentalized 'NEED TO KNOW' strategy is employed. I hope there is some White Aryan rogue units in those organizations to neutralize the Jews when they attempt a coup. They first need to take the guns away from the American citizens with the repeal of the 2nd Amendment right to bear arms. I read that Pennsylvania deer hunters have more guns then the whole Chinese army.

    You can also check out the 1976 Rosenthal Interview exposing the Jewish ways. The Jew, Rosenthal was permanently silenced shortly after the interview.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 21, 2014 3:05 PM

    CRO, I use a ps3 and cannot currently read pdf files without a memory card. I am jobless and in the process of moving .In a couple of weeks I will probably not even have internet access anymore. Any Jew who is self serving is not true to his teachings. Any practitioner of any GOD based religion who preaches hatred or inequality is not true to his teachings. Jesus was not racist.Whatever Creator we had is not racist. Any member of the freemasons who does not believe in the equality of all humankind and does not strive for the advancement of ALL humankind is disrespecting his oath and does not deserve to be a freemason. There are liars and frauds in all organizations and religions; those who twist morality into self serving philosophies. How do you see color in the two phrases that most simply describe what morally should be the bane of our' existence : [ " Treat others as you wish to be treated"], and [ " Love thy neighbor. " ] ?

  • John Doe | June 21, 2014 1:13 PMReply

    Brian Winiarski, I'm going to butt into your conversation and ask you to elaborate on your statement: "The non-white races did most of the work here while we had most of the benefits". And of the non-white races you're thinking of, which of their native countries is the most successful?

  • Amicus | June 21, 2014 5:06 PM

    @Brian Winiarski
    I can agree with you Brian, it was the blacks and the Irish who did a lot of the back breaking building of America, mostly the blacks though, the Irish were paid a pittance but the black "gave" their labor for free, when they tried to use the Indians there was mass suicide, so they got the African blacks and the "Irish" blacks the main difference is they later promoted the Irish to white-hood and left the slaves. - History is a B****.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 21, 2014 2:45 PM

    During the construction of most our cities, the immigrants and slaves did most of the manual labor and even the engineering. I do not claim that they were all not white. Many of them were caucasion. You ask me about which non white race has the most successful country. It depends on your' definition of success. I do not consider the USA successful in any way other than financially or politically. Just the fact that most of us argue about what color or what religion is better or who was here first or who should own what means that we are a failure at the things in life that could actually save this country and/ or planet. We need to focus on free thought, free and sustainable energy that does not harm the earth, and respect for life regardless of race. I am not Buudhist, but many of their' teachings make sense because they lack the ego of many other religions like christianity which often in modern society seem to be color oriented.

  • Cro | June 20, 2014 6:46 PMReply

    I don't have the energy or desire to educate you on the monopolistic or controlling ways of the Jews or their Crypto Jew Anglo Saxon names. Do your own research with key words such as Jewish Question and Jewish Control, because I have come across many sites that give specific names of all of the clandestine and obvious Jews in government,corporations,the legal system,main stream media,academia,banking ,money creation,AIPAC & ADL control of all of our politicians,CIA,FBI,Mosaad, stranglehold on the entertainment industry and even the "wag the dog"false flag total slanting of the nightly news in which the same professional actors have been spotted on youtube as being parents of victims in the various false flag occurrences throughout the United States, especially in their goal of changing the 2nd Amendment right of American citizens to bear arms against treasonous government actions.

    I have spent five years enlightening myself, and am not a member of any Aryan , White Nationalist or Neo-Nazi group but simply a shocked citizen who became aware of my brainwashing and ignorance with the tool of the internet.

    Any dual citizen Jews in politics and appointed power positions in government are traitors when they serve Israel instead of the welfare of America. The democratic system is a rigged affair with all politicians having to sign a pledge to serve Israel first in order to receive funds for election and reelection. Those that refuse are black balled into political oblivion. Even if the elections were fair, the computer election tally machine corporations are controlled by Jews.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 20, 2014 8:41 PM

    The individuals and corporations that rule us with corruption are not doing so to serve Israel. They use their' power to serve themselves. Most of them care nothing about race or religion but only wealth. You are mistaken in your' belief that they are simply Jewish men who are fighting a religious battle. They are wealthy and greedy american men who care only about power and money.You say you have spent five years enlightening yourself. I have been studying people since birth and know for a fact that religion and race have nothing to do with a man's value. That is 43 yrs. compared to your' five.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 20, 2014 3:55 PMReply

    CRO, I agree that we are under the control of the corporations, but what makes you say they are run by jews. There are just as many european C.E.O.s now if not more than jewish or black or spanish. Your' propaganda is beginning to become obvious to the point of making you appear foolish. If you actually believe half of what you write, then I pity you. You are becoming the Sarah Palin of racism.

  • Cro | June 20, 2014 3:17 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski "America was made a superpower because of the fact that it is a mixing pot of colors, not despite this fact."

    As America sinks down into the cesspool of multiculturalism giving up it's superpower status, along with 15 to 20 points of average IQ, and White Aryan full foreheaded creativeness, we will see how ridiculous and asinine Brian's statement is. America was not built on the backs of Negro slavery or Chinese railroad building labor but rather the industriousness of the NATION of LIKE White European Christians and a economically healthy MIDDLE CLASS and INDEPENDENT FARMERS, which is hastily disappearing due to the outsourcing of Aryan technology and manufacturing by the Jew controlled global corporations and take over by giant monopolistic food farm corporations which will withhold food whenever the situation dictates.

    We have seen how far the mixed and blended White Spaniards, Negros, and Native Americans have progressed in Mexico and the rest of the Central and South Americas. The pure bred White Spaniards and Jews are the ones who are in control of their mixed less intelligent brothers, with a ruling and peon class of people, devoid of a fruitful economic Middle Class.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 20, 2014 8:26 AMReply

    CRO, You talk about me as if I an jewish or israelite or have ties with the middle east or practice some sort of anti christian religion. You are mistaken if you think I practice or believe in any religion. You say I make threats and am verbally abusive to people like you and sometimes I do and yes, this is childish of me, but you are much more abusive with your' racist remarks and your' obvious hatred for the jewish and all non whites. You accuse me of being part of some New World Government that wants to destroy caucasions. I have my own political beliefs, my own religious beliefs, and my own thoughts concerning everything. My thoughts are usually different than those around me and usually this causes me to be unaccepted. You however have identical thoughts to the klan members or aryan brothers or skinheads or nazis or whoever you probably surround yourself with. You obviously are a person who strives for the acceptance of your' peers and have such intense desire for acceptance that you will even adopt their' philosophies and religions. I gave up any desire to be accepted years ago because I feel like I would be letting myself down by trying to act look or think like others just to be in a club or group or cliche. It is easier to be just me even though it usually means I am alone, You speak of me as one who is unwilling to educate himself. I have very few set beliefs regarding anything. My opinions change frequently with exposure to new information. I am open minded and this is essential for the absorbtion of knowledge. You believe what your supremacist buddies tell you to believe.I will never be a leader or a follower. You will always be a follower with the vain,petty and pitiful hopes of being a leader.

  • Cro | June 19, 2014 8:41 PMReply

    The Jews can unite for their Protocol agenda of White genocide and their New World Government in which all goyim are slaves. But supposed Whites like Brian,Johnette, and myself can't even agree to disagree. Johnette from across the pond gives up, and Bri "I want to improve humankind, Do you think I give a shit whether I am cool or not?" displays childish physical threats and verbal bashing in the guise of wanting to improve the society in which he lives, in that White suburb devoid of blacks.

  • John | June 20, 2014 5:16 AM

    CRO I haven't given up. It is just that I have grown tired of the sound of my own voice and nobody will listen and never will. Why should they? I am a nobody half-man sitting at a computer. Let society slide down the chute into the brown stuff the New World Order is waiting. I will now play some Tangerine Dream. Good Bye

  • Cro | June 19, 2014 4:37 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski "CRO, What does internet illiterate mean?"

    If a person is intelligent but lacks the desire(laziness) to educate their ignorant being about the world situation using the wonderful tool of the internet,I am not going to waste my time with your lack of education and knowledge . Are you one of those "gifted ones" employed as a troller or saynin for the AIPAC and Mosaad? And I bet you claim to have an IQ of 159, even though your brothers in Israel have an average IQ in the low 90's.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 19, 2014 11:41 AMReply

    JOHN- You refer to CRO and me as brothers. I am glad you finally acknowledge the truth. We are not all full brothers but probably 1/ 500,000,000 brothers. 10,000 yrs ago we had the same Mommy but different Daddys or something like that. Nice chatting with you, my long lost brother JOHN !!!

  • Brian Winiarski | June 19, 2014 11:26 AMReply

    @ JOHN- Read some of your' own previous posts. You have slung more mud here than just about anyone. I think Mr. Eastwood would be disgusted that a racist such as you had a crush on him and offended that you use his quotes.

  • John | June 19, 2014 11:37 AM

    I stand corrected. Good Bye

  • Cro | June 18, 2014 8:09 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski

    I can see why the female named John ("Goodbye Brian you and your liberal bollocks will not be missed.") wished that the door would hit your liberal, internet illiterate ,unwelcome backside on your way out.

  • John | June 19, 2014 8:05 AM

    Cro & Brian brothers please desist from this unnecessary cyber mud-slinging. Shake-hands agree to disagree or whatever you dudes do on your side of the pond. I quote the words of Clint Eastwood that great and wonderful American alpha male "opinions are like a**e holes everyone has one".

  • Brian Winiarski | June 19, 2014 12:36 AM

    CRO, What does internet illiterate mean? My non existent facebook friends cannot tell me because they do not exist.I will not waste my time caring about whether total strangers and bots like my comment on facebook or twitter. I s that what internet illiterare means? I want to improve humankind, Do you think I give a shit whether I am cool or not?

  • Brian Winiarski | June 19, 2014 12:25 AM

    CRO, I wish you did not hate me just because I am smarter than you. I am not referring to education but natural intelligence that some are born with and some are not (REGARDLESS OF RACE). I do genuinely care about the human race even though I despise most humans; often even myself. I was born with the curse of knowing that if we wish to survive and continue to evolve into something better then we have to stop needless hatred based on petty things such as color. All people of all colors that care about humankind and our' planet need to bond and work together to solve the problems that are actually destroying us. These problems are greed, envy, needless hatred, racism, tribalism, intense desire for power,control or fame, vanity,incorrect religion, etc. . I could probably in time think of a hundred more words to describe the root of our' probably imminent destruction, but self interest, and self centeredness are probably the simplest ones to describe us. Most people only truly care about themselves. Those that are honest and care about humankind and respect all life in general are disrespected or ridiculed. I have stooped to a level beneath my maturity by calling you and John names such as moron or dweeb, and for this I am ashamed and apologetic. I am wrong to insult anothers intelligence, but I am only human. We all makemistakes, but we can be better if we quit interfering with evolution by arguing about things that do not matter, such as race and color.We need to focus on our' real problems such as the 15 percent of us that control and manipulate the other 85 percent (regardless of race or color). Quit blaming non whites for all the bad, you are wasting energy that you should focus on battling greed, Racism is a major distraction from us solving our true problems. I cannot understand why everyone cannot understand this.

  • Cro | June 18, 2014 12:41 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski "CRO MAGNON LAME MAN, = strong in opinion, weak in intelligence and thought process"

    That comment was copy pasted from a typical angry White non-racist responding to the remaking of "Annie" with a black actress which will come to theaters Christmas 2014. On the surface, it does appear to be strong in opinion, weak in intelligence and thought process. But it can also be the reaction of a White majority race in America responding to their perception that Whites are being squeezed out of their own nation.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 18, 2014 3:01 PM

    CRO, I personally did not like the original Annie and doubt a black version could be any worse. It is too late for whites to worry about being squeezed out of this nation. If it was going to be a concern, it should have been of concern when we were bringing in slaves to do our labor or when we were allowing immigrants in to build our cities while they lived in poverty. The non-white races did most of the work here while we had most of the benefits, Should we cast them all out now that we no longer need them? Most white kids I see today only know how to stuff their' fat little faces with chicken mcnuggets while they have their' spoiled, beedy little eyes glued to a facebook page. Will they be able to run daddy's company by themselves?

  • Cro | June 17, 2014 5:46 PMReply

    To Hollywood: Stop Remaking White Movies / TV Shows With Black Actors

    What is currently going on with remaking classic television and movies known for white characters is absolute disrespect and racism against the original production.

    It is the rape of white culture inserting a culture that never belonged and does not belong. The integrity of the original shows must be protected and not be open to a cultural attack and a resistance must be formed to prevent all of white culture being desecrated. Black culture appears to be determined to never stop until they have black remakes of every last white movie or TV show, while whites are unallowed to remake black movies or TV shows with white actors since that would be considered racist. What is happening now is racist and it must be stopped or white culture won’t have nothing left that wasn’t raped by the black.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 18, 2014 1:32 AM

    CRO MAGNON LAME MAN, = strong in opinion, weak in intelligence and thought process

  • Brian Winiarski | June 18, 2014 1:26 AM

    Is that the best you got, dweeb? At least give an example. Are you running short on intelligent comments or just brain cells? I assume probably both. Lame should be your' middle name!

  • Damien | June 17, 2014 1:02 AMReply

    Why did I just read this? Last thing I need right now is a reason to feel s**tty about myself. I think white people should stay away from stuff like this. I don't think it's healthy to be told that we lack empathy and are all subconsciously racist. Just live your lives. Try your best to treat others with love and compassion. Columns like this will only bring you down and prevent you from empowering yourself and attaining inner peace.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 17, 2014 10:10 AM

    DAMIEN, No offense intended, but it is kind of contradictory of you to submit your' opinion about how you hate reading peoples opinions and also that you are online speaking of disgust for public forum on the internet.

  • Damien | June 17, 2014 1:16 AM

    BTW. I remember graduating from graduate school in engineering. I used to love writing scientific papers and would relish demonstrating my technical prowess by any means possible. One day, it dawned on me that trying to break the world down into a cold, mechanical, indifferent place was just miserable. Assigning theories and labels to everything took away so much of life's beauty. This article is worse, because it locks all of us in a box, tells us who we are and that we are stuck like that. "You lack empathy, and there is nothing you can do about it."

    I choose ignore social theories like this. I define who I am, despite all of the dorks at the universities who make every attempt to dissect human behavior in every way imaginable, breaking us down to nothing more than chemical processes. Even if this is true, so what? How will this change my life or anyone else's life? Ugh..The internet is so toxic I can hardly stand it!

  • Brian Winiarski | June 16, 2014 10:25 PMReply

    Mike, I disagree with you on some topics, but I appreciate the fact that you are intelligent and do not abuse it by trying to manipulate people; you simply state your' beliefs as I try to do. We have had different experiences and thus different theories, but we have been able to have a decent debate here, and debate in a public forum is one of the easiest ways to entice people into thinking and perhaps learning. It has been interesting and thought provoking debating with you. I am always civil with honest, intelligent people. I am easily provoked by those who show ignorance or spread obvious propaganda though. I respect you as a proper debate nemesis.

  • Mike | June 17, 2014 5:31 AM

    We agree on this! Best of luck to you, Brian.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 11:49 PMReply

    Mike, You are probably correct concerning the media's coverage of that story. They purposelly added fuel to a fire that has been burning for way too long knowing that the stir it would cause would allow them more business. You are correct also regarding the reasons you give for racial profiling and racism in general. I live in a predominantly white town in a predominantly white portion of the bible belt in southern, illinois though, and there are many thieves, drug addicts, and thugs here, also predominantly white. We are better than no other race. White skin has not been around for long and was caused by a mutation. We are different, but not superior. Each person is different, some better than others, but race has nothing to do with that.

  • Mike | June 16, 2014 10:05 AM

    I agree that "superiority" is subjective - some ethnicities fare better in certain environments than others, and vise versa. As a Caucasian, if you were dropped in a sub-Saharan climate and expected to fend for yourself, you'd probably fare poorly (as would I) because of your genetic predisposition. You'd be ill-suited to compete, both socially and biologically, in a tribal environment. Similarly, when non-Western ethnicities are exposed to an alien culture, such as ours, and expected to compete with those "native" to said culture, they tend to have less success. So, I think we'd agree that ethnic generalizations can safely be made without "racist" intentions; but there are exceptions to every rule, and I think people become defensive when sweeping statements such as "all blacks are criminals" are made.

    However, I think folks like Cro Magnon Man would argue that statistics cannot be ignored, simply for the sake of cultural sensitivity. There are certain racial realities that people need to acknowledge with honesty before any real progress can be made, and I'm afraid that that's just not possible in our increasingly-"politically correct" culture. In your predominantly-Caucasian hometown, you observe that the majority of crime is committed by whites. On a greater scale, Cro looks at the country as a whole and recognizes that blacks, statistically speaking, commit the greatest number of crimes "per individual." I agree with Cro in this regard, because I can't ignore the statistics despite the many hypotheses I've researched to explain this behavior.

    So, I certainly don't fault people for their opinions on these sensitive topics, but I do everything I can to encourage people to investigate them thoroughly. I do know for sure that these conversations usually breakdown into shouting matches before any progress is made, and I think that's unfortunate and counter-productive. Solutions are rarely reached that way. That said, I thank you for your civility in our discussion.

  • Cro Magnon Man | June 15, 2014 3:04 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski "Cro, it is a waste of my time to even discuss this issue with a moron like you""I am a veteran and I served with all colors of men"

    There is no draft right now and you were dumb enough to join Sam Golbergs's army to fight another no win war for Israel. Who is the moron now? And may you disclose your racial composition? I am guessing that it isn't pure bred White European Pole, but a mixture of mongrel to cause such hatred on this site.

    I know that we will never agree on the Zimmerman/Martin incident because both sides of the issue have biased evidence. I saw photos of Zimmerman's bloodied face after the incident which would lend to verify the story that Zimmerman received karate chops to his body and face. And the menacing looking fully grown Trayvon Martin didn't look like a BOY to me.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 8:05 PM

    Cro, I joined the air force when I was 18. I must admit that I joined not out of pride for America or any reason of valor, but because I needed a job. I did however serve with men of various ethnicity, and the military and people in it honored those who were honest and pure of heart. A racist would have been beaten by his military peers or at the very least made to feel unwelcome. As far as your remark about it being a no win war, I think any war in the middle east will probably never have a winner. Religious wars have been fought there for thousands of years and there will never be peace there. My racial composition is unknown because I am adopted and have not tested my dna. I am white skinned and have blue eyes. However, I am certain that I am of mixed bloodlines because we all are. This pure bred you speak of could only be created with inbreeding just like pure bred dogs are created. If I was purebred I would not brag about it as you white power folks do so enthusiastically. That simply means that your' greatgreatgreatgreat grandparents were probably brother and sister.

  • Cro Magnon Man | June 14, 2014 2:24 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski "Cro Magnon Man, As I stated before; all racists are cowards. If George Zimmerman is your' hero then you are as much a bitch as him. He shot an unarmed kid for no valid reason."

    George Zimmerman was an Hispanic Jew who defended himself against a full grown, muscled, Karate wielding thug. George while on the ground as a result of a karate attack, was suppose to die with the advances of Trayvon Martin. However, Trayvon was surprised when George pulled a gun and shot him dead. The Kosher news brigade purposely showed a very young innocent looking photo of Trayvon Martin. Martin's Facebook site purposely took down the older menacing looking tattooed photos of Trayvon Martin. He wasn't an innocent, unarmed(Karate hands) KID when confronting Zimmerman. It is typical of main stream media's under reporting of BLACK ON WHITE CRIME.(Except that George wasn't White, but an Hispanic Jew)

  • Damien | June 17, 2014 1:25 AM

    Mike

    You say racism is an innate sense of self-protection. I agree. I think as hominids evolved, they quickly learned that their largest competitors were other groups of hominids. Thus, when we see an unfamiliar-looking person, at first, we might be inclined to feel suspicion. I do believe, however, that over time people can overcome this fear, which is in large part genetic. For instance, I had a partner who was black, and I don't think I ever felt closer to another person in my life.

    I want you to ask yourself what would happen if there was a society that remained diversified through numerous generations. At that point, many of the initial suspicions and biases would have been eliminated, and I think people would get along much better. Now days, diversified societies are usually imposed on people by the primary group in power. The usually bad economic conditions tend to make crime rates high in these areas. In a hypothetical situation in which all of the injustices are removed, I could easily see people from different races living in harmony.

  • Mike | June 15, 2014 9:36 PM

    Brian, I respect your reasoning; but, in truth, human evolution involved very little "diversification" throughout prehistory. Tribal warfare was commonplace in the hunter/gatherer environment and AMHS essentially wiped out the inferior hominid breeds. Natural selection was allowed to take it's course in this regard, and "survival of the fittest" proved the ideal means for advancement of the human condition.

    Similarly, cultural mixing has had mostly volatile results in modern times as well. At the macro level, history has shown that profound increases in war, disease, labor exploitation and religious/political persecution are directly correlated with social and biological diversification. Moreover, at the community level, a 2007 Harvard study (the largest ever of its kind) concluded that in the most ethnically diverse communities, neighbors "trust" one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. An increase in diversity leads to decreases in voting, volunteerism and charity. Virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings as people become more guarded and stifled, while "bigotry" becomes more "criminal."

    The Martin/Zimmerman affair was concluded as fairly as possible, given the available physical evidence and eyewitness testimony. Your account paints a different picture than what the jury concluded based on this evidence, which was that Zimmerman (while doing something stupid) was attacked and acted in self-defense. This is fully-permitted by law. I certainly don't condone Zimmerman's yahoo vigilantism, but the man assumed a noble (albeit unassigned) duty to protect his neighborhood, not to specifically target blacks.

    Now, the fact that he profiled Martin is undeniable; but also undeniable is the validity for his reasoning: blacks in that neighborhood commit an astounding majority of the crime. Zimmerman was beyond his depth, certainly, but I wouldn't necessarily label him a racist or a coward; he was acting instinctively, given the nature of the criminal element within his environment. Recognition of a problem is not, itself, "racist" if it's based on verifiable data and happens to indicate a particular racial criminal proclivity, agreed? I actually think it's terrible that blacks commit so much crime in neighborhoods like this because it forces racial profiling, just for the sake of self-preservation.

    I think it's telling that Zimmerman is, himself, part black, has black family members, and has personal relationships with blacks, yet he was depicted as a white racist by the media. If any party is guilty of premeditated racism, it's the media for perpetuating the myth of rampant "white-on-black" crime in this country. If this story were covered more appropriately, with less racial undertones, I think debates like these would occur much more amicably, do you agree?

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 8:35 PM

    Mike, what you say about it being a human instinct to mistrust those who appear different is true, but it is an instict that has not served us well for a long time. Part of our' evolution was an increase of intelligence and those with the ability to accept each person as an individual will have more opportunity at survival than those who just want to destroy all other skintones. Who will have the better chance of survival, a man who likes mexican,chinese,soul,cajun,polish, and all other foods, or a man who only eats german food. In reference to your' use of Martin/Zimmerman to debate my calling of racists cowards, Zimmerman followed a black person because he was black. Martin was simply walking and causing no harm. Zimmerman was told to end his pursuit by the 911 operator he talked to. He instead continued and forced the altercation which took place. He would not have done so if he did not have a gun. Martin tried to defend himself, but was literally outgunned due to the fact that he was unarmed. I did not know Martin and I may not have even liked him, but I would not chase him down and kill him or anyone simply because of color. I would need a personal reason to kill, and to have a personal reason, you must actually know that man personally.

  • Mike | June 15, 2014 4:16 PM

    I see. That's an interesting definition of racism you're using, but I don't think it's accurate. To be more accurate, racism is the innate sense of self-protection, possessed by every human being, which is triggered when they encounter a person with dissimilar physical and behavioral characteristics; and it's as old as the human species, itself. It's a tribal instinct that's served human evolution well for almost 5 million years, and to deny oneself this instinct is to deny one's own humanity. That denial is attempted with regularity these days, to be sure. But make no mistake, humans are biologically equipped to distrust those who look and act differently. It has nothing to do with cowardice.

    Take, for example, the Martin/Zimmerman scenario used below. Didn't both of these individuals follow their "racist" instincts? I submit that they did. So, considering the events which transpired, how are you able to accurately label them both "cowards?" I'm interested to know.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 3:14 PM

    Mike, you ask me to justify my statement that all racist are cowards. Racists consider themselves superior to those not belonging to their' race. Considering yourself superior to an entire different group of people instead of judging each person individually is egotistical. People who are egotistical are so because they have subconcious self-esteem issues and instead of battling these issues with self honesty and facing their' own flaws, they choose to just look down upon others who are different or appear different. This is what a racist does and this is cowardly. Do you understand now? A man with courage will face people individually. A coward will just condemn all who are not members of his club, therefore racism is practically synonymous with cowardice.

  • Mike | June 15, 2014 1:38 PM

    Brian, please justify your statement, "all racists are cowards."

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 2:29 AM

    Cro, it is a waste of my time to even discuss this issue with a moron like you,but I still feel obligated to try to help this doomed society; therefore here is my wasted speech- George Zimmerman was a racist coward who was told by 911 respondants to end his pursuit. He wanted so badly to be perceived as a hero to racist retards like you that he ignored them and murdered a boy who did nothing to him. If youthink he was right then your' illogical hatred has transformed into the type of racist that will lick a peter for your' worthless cause. You disgust me!!!

  • Cro Magnon Man | June 14, 2014 2:00 PMReply

    @Brian Winiarski "One thing that all racists everywhere have in common is that they either fail to realize or choose to ignore the fact that every human on modern earth is the product of a mixture of interracial breeding, interspeices breeding, inbreeding, evolution, mutation, evolution, and possibly interplanetary breeding."

    What you speculate may be so, but when Whites enter the big inner city slums and tenements like Detroit,Philadelphia,Baltimore,Atlanta,and Chicago, there is no way that we will be mixed with lower form animals, blending out the best of the White gentiles into slavery and servitude to God's Chosen People. John Titor, time traveler communicated in 2001 on the internet with claims of a Racial Civil War in America's near future.

    Whites don't talk about a master race but simply want to be left alone in our own White majority nations. China for the Chinese,Japan for the Japanese,Korea for the Koreans,India for the Indians, and Africa for the Africans.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 2:47 AM

    Cro, you speak of GOD. I must inform you : your' damnation will consist of more colors than your' feeble mjnd can comprehend .

  • Brian Winiarski | June 15, 2014 2:38 AM

    CRO, if I actually thought a bitch like you would have the courage to do something other than speak dung, I would gladly supply you with an address where perhaps I could guarantee that your' nonsense would henceforth be communicated through a straw.

  • Cro Magnon Man | June 13, 2014 5:55 PMReply

    Black South Africans when given the chance will gladly massacre,mutilate,and butcher innocent White farmers who had their guns taken away by the Jew overlords. The White Europeans in America are not dumb enough to give up their arms to the Jew controlled Homeland Security,National guard,state police, and local police.

    Come on Black European and see if you can push me into a wall, and I will pull a George Zimmerman on you, as he did to the hoodlum-slinging, karate-wielding fully muscled and grown Trayvon Martin.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 14, 2014 1:49 AM

    Cro bitch and all you racist cowards, I am a veteran and I served with all colors of men. We trusted each other because we all had honor, regardless of skintone. A man is a man no matter what color. Anyone who preaches hatred based on color or appearance is weak, because he always preaches against people not of his own kind which means he has a low self esteem, which means he has some type of deficiency and knows it and looks down others to boost his ego. Any man who resorts to these measures to boost his ego is weak and pathetic.If all you ignorant racist can resist what your' daddy's taught you and break this destructive cycle then your' children may have hope. If you force them to share your' screwed up brain, you are doing them and society a vile harm.

  • Brian Winiarski | June 13, 2014 8:56 PM

    Cro Magnon Man, As I stated before; all racists are cowards. If George Zimmerman is your' hero then you are as much a bitch as him. He shot an unarmed kid for no valid reason. I am a white american and I would push you and George into that wall. When you pointed yor' gun at me, I would stick it up your' stupid ass . You are nothing more than a pitiful little boy who preaches racial hatred and would never have the courage to fight without a gun.

  • Misty | June 11, 2014 9:39 AMReply

    There are movies with black people and there are stereotypical black movies. Ray is a movie with black people - great. Anything with Madea (cringe) is a stereotypical black movie. Malcolm X - awesome. Big Mama's house - aargh. Current Kevin Hart movies - thumbs up. Soul Plane - thumbs down lol.

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