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Alexander Ebert Talks Scoring 'All Is Lost,' Getting Robert Redford To Surrender & Almost Making A Musical With Heath Ledger

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by Edward Davis
December 12, 2013 3:07 PM
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Of all the survival narratives this fall, and there are many, director J.C. Chandor's "All Is Lost" is perhaps the most beautifully counterintuitive. If "Gravity" is the maximalist thrill ride in space, then "All Is Lost," is its opposite, a minimalist, moody, near wordless meditation of a man (Robert Redford) lost at sea. It's one man in the middle of the Indian Ocean with a schooner that's slowly sinking thanks to man made debris.

An existential examination of ourselves, fate, and how we chose to face death among many other things, Redford's lead, unnamed character barely speaks a word in the movie. Instead, most of the "talking" is done through his silent inner dialogue and perhaps most importantly, communicated through the music. Composed by Alexander Ebert, formerly of electro-rock outfit Ima Robot, and now best known as Edward Sharpe of Edward Sharpe of the Magnetic Zeros, his somber, funereal score does much of the movie's emotional heavy lifting, acting as a introspective and melancholy dirge for what may be the the soundtrack to meeting your maker. We recently published our Best 15 Scores of 2013 and after much debate, Ebert's haunting score topped out our list at number one. We recently spoke to the composer—who was nominated for a Golden Globe today—about how he got involved with the film, meeting Robert Redford and having the idea of making a musical with Heath Ledger that never came to pass.

How did you become part of this project?
A call out of the blue, it seemed. It was a dream scenario, really, and as I respond to your question it’s hard to believe my answer. I met J.C. and we talked for about an hour and that was pretty much that. Thankfully J.C. is gutsy and went for it.

"I wanted to create the fourth wall, so to speak – the chorus calling Robert Redford to surrender."

What kind of thematic direction were you given before you started writing the music?
Musically. none that I remember. We got into the music conversations after I began to send things over…

How did the process work, did you watch the movie and then write the score? Write to the movie?
Both—in one instance I recorded without picture and it stuck, worked beautifully—that is the theme that now accompanies the ending. In all other instances anything melodic was recorded to picture. I would write beforehand often, but the piece could change dramatically when playing to picture. For instance, the main theme, "Excelsior," was originally in ¾ time at about five times the pace, a perky waltz that suddenly turned into a very different, brooding piece when playing it to the movie.

When did you settle on the kind of minimalist, dirgey, droney kind of feel on the score?
The main theme, "Excelsior," was the first thing I wrote for the movie, as I recall. The first scene I scored to was the ending, and that sort of set the tone for me. It was and is so very beautiful, the death of it so overwhelmingly liberating, that nothing short of something that felt sacred would do. This applied as well to the drones, which were largely Tibetan bowls and giant crystal bowls, which give the most sonorous hum.

The music conveys so much of the character’s emotional state. Was it difficult to carry that burden?
It was not difficult but it was a pressure I felt very steadily.

The movie hints at backstory, did the J.C. Chandor tell you any of that?
Not regarding Redford’s character, but J.C. and I had a number of conversations digging into the meaning and philosophy behind the story.

What was the most difficult challenge?
Probably just that feeling of sculpting with a feather, which became more and more delicate towards the end. Our music editor Suzana Peric was a giant help.

What was the aim in creating the film’s main theme?
I wanted to create the fourth wall, so to speak—the chorus calling Redford to surrender. To me that alto flute is the truth—of the wild, solipsistic union with the elements and of the strange and cold beauty of surrender. At first it is imperceptible as the wind and he pays no heed, or perhaps is even challenged onwards by it. Finally though, in my favorite moment of the story, Redford has had enough, and the flute comes in once again to accompany him while he writes his last letter—and we never hear the theme again. He has surrendered.

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2 Comments

  • Miles | December 13, 2013 2:58 AMReply

    I love this score!

  • Michael Ebert | December 12, 2013 11:52 PMReply

    Brilliant interview - great questions, Edward, fascinating, super-articulate answers, Mr Alex!

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