Cannes: New Clip From ‘The Immigrant’; James Gray Talks Title Changes, Working With Joaquin Phoenix, Marion Cotillard & More

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by Rodrigo Perez
May 24, 2013 10:35 AM
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Gray inadvertently put Joaquin Phoenix through the emotional wringer with this role.
While Joaquin Phoenix is known as a mercurial actor and person, James Gray has worked with him four times now. But the filmmaker said it wasn’t an intentional Scorsese/De Niro or Kurosawa/Mifune type of consistent collaboration. “What happens is you gravitate towards actors who feel the same way that you do about the world, about art, if I can use that dirty word, about human behavior and I realized very quickly on the first film I made with him ['The Yards'] is that he has a tremendous emotional awareness, intelligence and sensitivity,” Gray said. “My relationship now is we talk a lot, we argue a lot like brothers in a way, but its very, very enlightening. He lives for process, he lives for the moment when you can discuss the scene and break down the character that to him is everything.”

"There’s no way to do 1920s New York accurately and not have someone go, ‘I see Godfather II!’ "
“For me that’s very rewarding,” Gray continues, “Because you’re trying to create a character of many levels, and in this case he’s playing a very terrible person, a predator, a manipulator, a constant liar who only really reveals himself in the end. And I remember he would call me up every night and say, [adopts incredibly mumbly, borderline incoherent JP voice] ‘James, James, why are you making me do this? Look at that scene I did with Marion, I had to put that little boy in front of her...James what are you doing?’ And he was very upset with me. He called it the revenge of [the fake quasi Joaquin Phoenix documentary] ‘I’m Still Here,’ because I made him such a horrendous person.”

Jeremy Renner loves James Gray, but not all his films.
“I’ve seen all of his movies, some I like better than the others, but I love James,” he laughed. “How did we come together?” Renner asked and launched into a story about meeting him at the actor's house. Gray countered later with, “Some of your performances I really liked,” Gray said. “I don’t expect you to like all of them!” Renner laughed. “Eh, some of them I liked,” the director shrugged.

“The Godfather Part II” weighed heavy on the movie, so Gray and his DP looked elsewhere for influences.
Set in the same time period as the flashbacks in “The Godfather Part II,” Gray and DP Darius Khondji (David Fincher's “Seven,” "Panic Room," Wong Kar Wai's "My Blueberry Nights" among others) knew the film would inevitably draw comparisons. The filmmaker said while they did watch the Francis Ford Coppola epic, and movies like “La Strada,” “McCabe & Mrs. Miller” and “Heaven’s Gate,” they started to look elsewhere for inspiration, like photographs and artwork.

“If you show a street in 1921 in the Lower East Side, there’s no way to do it accurately and not have someone go, ‘I see Godfather II!’ Because Francis just did it completely accurately," he explained. "There’s only one way to do it, he did it right. So I realized that that was coming a mile away that I had stolen from this movie or that movie, so what Darius and I ended up doing was going completely away from movies and started looking at autochrome photography [and art].”

Gray then rattled off tons of visual references, Carlo Mollino’s polaroids, the Ashcan painters Rockwell Kent, Guy Pène du Bois, John Sloane, George Bellows, Robert Henri, Reginald Marsh, Everett Shinn, William Glackens and more. Also a big influence to Gray was opera. “I thought about making something that felt like you filmed an opera with grand emotions,” he said. “Not played in hysteria all the time, not like, [starts to sing in high pitched shrieking voice] ‘Everbody’s like thiiiiiis!’ though there is a little bit of that, but really about the sincerity of the emotions.”

“One of the best quotes I ever heard about movies was from Stanley Kubrick,” Gray continued. “He said, ‘I wish movies would be more daring and more sincere,’ and I loved that and I wanted to make something that it would be so sincere that it would be kind of daring. That it was not ironic or distanced or an experiment in any way. That it was simply looking backwards to go forward. So backwards that it would hopefully feel modern, like an opera put on film.”

“The Immigrant” doesn’t have a U.S. release date yet, but The Weinstein Company will release the film sometime later this year, presumably/hopefully in the fall. Check out a new clip below.

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6 Comments

  • Webster Skyhorse | May 24, 2013 6:05 PMReply

    Another vote for ending this campaign to marginalize Menello and his contributions to his filmmaker "friends'" works. He may never have reached the level of having handlers to manage his image and put out a complete narrative, but the facts are out there and they just don't square with this portrait being drawn by folks like Gray, Rubin, Brody, etc.

    Menello ushered in a new era of music video for a new kind of group, wrote a big time comedy on spec for said group that entered development hell after being sold. At this point the group broke up, bridges got burned, and Menello went off the radar. By the late '90s however, he was back to doing quality control behind the curtain for some of the major auteur-as-brand types today such as Romanek and JJ Abrams.

    While Gray seems to have felt indebted enough to get Menello out of this uncredited, much exploited position, he still doesn't hesitate to treat the guy like a Rainman-figure he pitied, not a wise outsider kept out of the game who elevated his material starting with THE YARDS.

  • RL | May 24, 2013 1:35 PMReply

    I love Phoenix and Gray's relationship a lot!Wish they could do another film together.

  • Roberta Manzetti | May 24, 2013 12:07 PMReply

    Ric Menello was a member of the WGA. He wrote scripts before and after his work with Gray, and even sold and was paid for the last one (which he wrote alone). Directors don't "give screenwriting credits" to people, they have to be earned through each writer's participation, and are subject to arbitration by the Guild. This is just another instance of Gray's shameless credit-hogging.

  • Rodrigo | May 24, 2013 12:18 PM

    I should say that Gray does give Menello proper screenwriting props in the press conference and it was cut for time and length. Blame it on me if you like.

  • morgan yam | May 24, 2013 11:37 AMReply

    So sad that the press has to be so unimaginative and just perpetuate this inane stereotype of Ric Menello. Does a "shut-in" go and write every night at a local cafe, where he knows virtually everyone who works there and frequents it? Ric was eccentric only in the ways that creative people are. Enough with the overdramatic eulogizing already.

  • Jed | May 24, 2013 11:33 AMReply

    OMG! OMG! Can't wait to see Marion and Joaquin!!!!

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