Over the weekend, Lee Daniels delivered the fall commencement address at SCAD (which you can view on page two) where he also received an honorary degree. It was undoubtedly a proud moment for the filmmaker who also took some time out of his busy schedule on the weekend to talk with The Playlist. And he shared his time with us discussing his awards season contender "Lee Daniels' The Butler" and the path to getting it made, the various projects he has in the works and much more.
A year ago you had just wrapped "The Butler" and had said the movie was something close to a work-for-hire for you. Since the movie has come out it's gotten great reviews and been really well received. How have your feelings on the movie changed now that it's finished and released?
It started out as a work-for-hire because it was a studio film, so I was hired and then the studio decided not to do the film. So then it became more of an independent film. So it switched, it went from being a studio film at Sony to being an independent film we had raised money for. And so I would take those words back now.
It is clear that it's a personal film for you as opposed to a studio script that you're just going in and working on.
Yeah, I mean I still would have done [a work-for-hire] with passion but I didn't have the [the studio] bosses to answer to, the suits that I would've had to answer to.
In making "The Butler" you have a huge ensemble playing very famous politicians and people of influence. Is there any one role in particular that you uh, had trouble finding the right person to play that part?
Younger Cecil [played by Aml Ameen] because I had to make sure that they looked like Forest [Whitaker]. And it was really tricky with the age and there was a lot of rewriting that went down so that I could weave them seamlessly together. At one point there were three different Cecil's but I thought that each Cecil would take us out of the film.
I saw an interview recently with Chiwetel Ejiofor about making "Twelve Years a Slave" and he said when he was down in Louisiana shooting the film, it dawned on him as he was on location, that his character went through all this stuff and it's 105 degrees outside. It made that situation more real for him.
For me, we had a similar experience. I loved that movie by the way. When we were in the cotton fields—I was only there for two days, so I don’t know what Steve [McQueen] went through—I was there for two or three days shooting and it was the hardest, the most difficult thing I'd ever done. I don't even know how my great grandparents were able to do it. I don't know how they survived.
Was the shoot for "The Butler"...
Gruelling? Yes. And also tear jerking because it was a reminder of what it was that you know my relatives went through. Painful.
It must've been powerful taking these moments from the page and recreating them and putting them in front of your eyes.
Yeah, I don't know that I could do it again. Too painful.
This was a PG-13 film, but when you first submitted it it came back as an R. Will we see some of those scenes that were cut on DVD?
I think that they were really hard on me, the ratings board, because there was no nudity or anything like that but it was just the violence that made it an R, you know? I had to show the splattering of blood less in the beginning scene. The lynching scene, I had to show less of the lynching, the counter scene... Just some of the things that I thought that I had to show that I think that I see on TV, on "C.S.I." even, I couldn't show. The ratings board is completely different when it comes to film versus the television arena.
I believe Melissa Leo had a scene that didn't make the final movie, will we see stuff like that? Any extra material?
Yeah, it was really long, it was a four hour film [and] I had two hours to tell my story. And Harvey Weinstein said that I could have a couple minutes more and the foreign contracts said the same thing so a lot had to get cut, but I'm putting a lot of that back into the DVD.
How was it working with Harvey Weinstein? He has a reputation both good and bad.
At first I thought I was terrified, I didn't know what to expect and it ended up being an incredible experience. So I heard the worst, I heard the good but for me it was an incredible experience, I'm looking forward to working with him again.