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Kevin Smith Says 'Batman V. Superman' Part Of WB's 5-6 Movie Comic World Building Plan

by Kevin Jagernauth
May 28, 2014 10:53 AM
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When Warner Bros. moved "Batman v. Superman: Dawn Of Justice" to 2016, we always knew it would mean two years of speculation and rumors. What we didn't know is that Kevin Smith, of all people, would be the biggest mouthpiece out of the gate. The best bro of Ben Affleck, has already sounded off that we might see multiple batsuits and vehicles for the Caped Crusader, and now he's teasing WB's entire vision for their DC Comics' properties.

On a recent Hollywood Babble-On podcast (via Comic Book), Smith essentially posited that WB is taking the reverse-Marvel approach—building out their universe first, before making direct character sequels. It's an interesting notion, and given how fast the studio is rushing toward "Justice League," which is being shot back-to-back with "Batman v. Superman: Dawn Of Justice," one that makes a lot of sense.

“But look, they’re obviously beginning something, and there’s a stretch of these flick... From what I understand now, it’s no longer like, ‘This is Superman 2.’ They’re not doing these things. They’re doing like, ‘Here’s Man of Steel. Here’s Batman/Superman: Dawn of Justice.’ The next one is not like a sequel to one of the characters. They’re just going to keep building their universe for about five or six movies,” Smith said. “But all of them…it’s supposed to tell one massive story, which is all Justice League oriented.”

Uh, shocker? It's not the most surprising revelation, but in case you needed any more affirmation that WB wants to exploit one of the major brands under their roof, this is it. But what does Smith think about that goofy title?

“It’s a bit of a mouthful. And also, I don’t know why Batman V. Superman. Why not just throw the 's' in there? Or spell it or something like that,” Smith pondered. “Or honestly, every comic book fan on the planet, who is a DC comic book fan, I think we all wanted to see 'Batman/Superman: World’s Finest.' ”

Anyway, the finest arrives on May 6, 2016.

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  • Joe | June 15, 2014 7:59 PMReply

    Kevin Smith is a jerk.

  • mpumelelo(success) | June 1, 2014 12:57 PMReply

    MOS was 1of the greatest films ever,marvel ppl go f urselves.TELL ANY1 WHO'LL LISTEN 2GO SEE DAWN OF JUSTICE,This film has to pass the $1bill mark so the encouraged to make sequels for clark n bruce..even a stand alone 4 Orin.ignore creeps like HATENU52

  • Grey | May 30, 2014 2:22 PMReply

    if you don't like reading the posts then quit reading them it's that simple gotta love my comic characters happy post

  • shaun | May 30, 2014 1:21 PMReply

    i reckon theyll either give us a new batman, as in beyond, but maybe thats too far ahead for their vision, so maybe just an old batman that mostly sits around the watchtower and nightwing or someone else kind of just coming into the league or, you get the idea, then doing a new run of batman films but making them prequels to batman vs superman where we already know hes an older more worn batman

  • ANTHONY S CASORIA | May 30, 2014 9:31 AMReply


  • DannyNeiba | May 30, 2014 7:16 AMReply

    All this hoopla and these analytical comments about a movie that's 2 yrs away is giving me a stomach ache. Yes Affleck is Batman and there are a million other actors they could have gone with selecting to be Batman or even choosing a different title. But this is it. I am excited for thse new universe and I cannot wait to see what Snyder and WB have planned for post BVS and post JL.

  • grey | May 30, 2014 5:46 AMReply

    its so hard to fit the whole story into movies that are only an hour and a half to two hours long I'm just happy they keep making them I love DC characters DC is awesome and I can't wait to see the rest and the direction they're going

  • William Parcell | May 29, 2014 3:10 PMReply

    As much as I wan't to be excited about these films, I have a bad feeling about them. I think it's a mistake to have the new Batman based on DKR, Dark Knight Returns was created to be a solo story with no connection with a larger JL world, when they tried to open it up into such a world in Dark Knight Strikes Again it turned out horrible. And I've got a feeling that them trying to get to JL in as few films as possible will hurt them in the long run.

  • GerudoKing | May 29, 2014 7:32 PM

    Clearly you're a ducking idiot who has clearly never read the book. The entire story is based around the Justice League! Go eat shit and die you gay homo.

  • PLOW | May 29, 2014 1:44 PMReply

    People are just too keen on the past and can't move on and accept changes in life. MOS was the greatest superhero movie since The Dark Knight Trilogy and everyone that hated it we're just too stubborn to see it. There hasn't been any Superman film before that showed the real comic feel until MOS. Its part of the modern trend with realistic elements combined with hard core comic aspects. MOS is following the exact same formula than TDK trilogy and everyone loved TDK. The DC universe has always been darker, grittier, whether it's Batman or Superman. Those who complain about the MOS2 or JL announcements are just becoming this Internet cancer.

  • bimpy | May 29, 2014 1:11 PMReply

    I recognize MOS was decent at best. So I can't judge much of this so called DC versed based on 1 movie alone, while its sequel hasn't revealed anything major. More speculation from the fanbase than anything else. I can figure out where it might head but in doing so I become angry because the core traits of the source material are watered down like X Men movies

  • Joe | June 15, 2014 7:58 PM

    Watered down is DC's patheic attempts to make movies. DC stinks. You geeks and losers should stay in the basement.

  • bruce | May 29, 2014 12:51 PMReply kevin smith authorized to reveal all these teasers? remember what happened to affleck's wife for saying too much about the batsuit?

  • Tom | May 30, 2014 10:59 AM

    Did someone kill Jennifer Garner?

  • Sailor | May 29, 2014 10:43 AMReply

    Why do these MOS haters always seem to have sand in their vagina, get over it already, the film is almost a year old and yet the haters are still bitching with a passion on how much it sucked. The thing that puzzles me the most is that the people who bitch and complain about something so irrelevant such as a 2 hour movie have nothing better to do than troll a website. Why don't you do nothing, bitter, nerds use your energy and skills of pointing out holes in movies and use it to make movies that don't suck, wouldn't that be a better use of your time rather than sit behind a computer to bitch. In the end it doesn't really matter because you people are so god damn retarded that you just bitch at me because you don't understand the truth.

  • BadThingUS | May 29, 2014 12:28 PM

    Look in a mirror, person who just complained about people complaining. Why aren't you making a better use of your time?

  • Jon420g | May 29, 2014 12:07 PM

    most righteous post ive ever seen on the web!

  • grey | May 29, 2014 6:40 AMReply

    and Kevin Smith ur man screw all those haters I love your opinions and always will and can't wait to see what they do with themes

  • grey | May 29, 2014 6:26 AMReply

    are you guys gonna hate all the time can't you just be happy that they're making the movies about our favorite characters and can't wait to see the rest of the movies following

  • Max | May 29, 2014 1:12 AMReply

    Anyway, thanks for throwing that podcast quote in at the end there.

  • Jack | May 28, 2014 11:30 PMReply

    I Know what their plan is. Put out one movie every year or two . Directed by that hack Zack Snyder and written by that other hack David Goyer. And all of them are guaranteed to suck.

  • Hal Jordan | July 1, 2014 8:42 PM

    You're exactly right. WB is absolutely lost without Nolan. They are repeating the same mistakes of the 90's awful batman films. They want multiple batman suits and cars, you know why? Because they want to sell toys. Instead of concentrating on writing a good story, they do the opposite. How do these idiots still not get it? Even after watching Nolan's success. You remember batman's ice hockey suit in batman and robin?

  • HateTheNu52 | May 28, 2014 9:13 PMReply

    It sucks that not only are they thinking and planning on one crappy movie but a series of them in this Nu52 style. Hopefully they lose money and the joke is on them in the end. I'm guessing the first flop will make money because of curiousity and hope for something good to come of it. But after that it's all down hill! Snyder and Smith need to have their balls fed to the wolves for destroying Superman and the rest of the Justice League. The first Man of Steel was a piece of crap and isn't even worth the flush from my toilet. The story was too dark and the costume looked like an evil version to the original. And lets not forget that he was a killer by the end of the movie. SUPER SHlT is more like it. And this next film already sounds like Saturday Night Live on crack.

  • carnell | May 30, 2014 6:22 AM

    Ou do realize that in superman II he killed zod to right? In the comics hes killed beforebto ....Read a comic book dont yell how superman doesn't kill

  • DCalltheway | May 29, 2014 5:17 PM

    Shut the hell up you typical marvel fan, don't be afraid that DC is finally hitting the screen with a authority, funny how you DC bashers seem to watch the product tho.....

  • Sherlock | May 28, 2014 8:41 PMReply

    Just hoping the Jokers not in this. Batmans older now so the Joker is already dead right. And Batmans beef with Superman is that he killed Zod... "Do you know how many times I wished to kill the Joker, Kent? Did you kill Zod because you did not have a choice or did you murder that man because he killed your father? I have found that you always have a choice!". But the Scarecrow is another thing please let the Scarecrow be in this, pointed hat included! And even if we don't get the Flash yet let's get at least a cameo from GORILLA GROD! Does anyone see where I'm going with this???

  • frank | May 28, 2014 6:35 PMReply

    sigh I cant wait for real men to start making movies again

  • Zinjo | May 28, 2014 5:16 PMReply

    I like the idea of several movies being part of a larger whole. It worked well for the Jason Bourne movies. The second film was a bit weak, but seen as part of the whole story is not as bad as it was initially. It's good to see WB not chasing Whedon and the Marvel Universe currently in production but striking out in a different direction entirely. They took a chance on Batman Begins and it paid off, let's see if this does as well...

  • dryer | May 28, 2014 3:27 PMReply

    MOS was a bigger flop than WB would like to admit. To save face and to coax more money from unsuspecting rubes was to throw there only cash cow Batman into the mix. Unfortunately where they fail in their expansion is retaining Snyder at the helm. Until he's dropped the whole thing is just a cash grab fiasco. For every Iron Man, Dark Knight there are a dozen Steel, Green Lantern pictures; the problem with WB is they thrive on the latter. Despite my personal dislike for this whole 'Marvel Universe' plague consuming Hollywood, I have to give Disney/Marvel credit for at least semi-attempting to maintain a relationship with its fan base.

  • bruce | May 29, 2014 1:01 PM

    mos was a modern interpretation of the character. the only people who read comics are fanboys(including myself). they are content with the supernatural, otherwordly scenarios in the pages in which the heroes always saves the day. but the movies are aimed at a much wider audience. practically the entire world watched mos whereas only half of them must have been real comic fanboys. the concept of this series was realism. people fight, pedestrians die, deaths do happen. it meant that despite all the powers superman has, he cannot save everyone in the universe from dying. i know some may say that he can just fly around at the speed of light and save people but that's exactly contrary to the point i'm making. the real world is shown in the movies, a world in which tragedies do occur. the whole thing that supes should have taken zod out of the city is foolish...if you're fighting a terrorist threatening you and everyone around you, i don't you can think that far....snyder did a good job portraying a world in which superman can actually exist, yet a universe in which everybody doesn't have a happy ending

  • G | May 29, 2014 10:11 AM

    MOS wasn't a flop. All these "fanboys" who think a movie needs to be exactly like the comics read clearly don't get that from paper to screen translation will not match their interpretation. Mortal Kombat [early movies] is a good example of a literal comic translation and while it was "neat" in one sense it was super hooky. Even the older Batman's which had Freeze, Riddler, etc while for their time were ok they still would have been panned by today's audience. The whole Supes doesn't kill - wrong. He did in Superman 2 so get over that. Oh the destruction of MOS - whatever; they tore Metropolis up in Supes 2 also. While they could not show the level of destruction that CGI affords us now; for it's time Supes 2 was just the same as MOS in that regard. I will say Supes 2 and CR/MK had far better character dynamics vs MOS. But MOS in my opinion was far more realistic in it's approach to utter destruction. I am still amazed that the Govt hasn't figured out Supes is Clark but that is another discussion. I like Marvel's approach to story telling but they had to. Aside from Comic Fans' mainstream audiences knew next to ZERO about Thor, Cap't, Iron Man, BW, Hawkeye, Coulson, etc. Say Superman or Batman and everybody and their grandma knew that. We grew up with Challenge of the Superfriends, etc. And while the Hulk and Spiderman were on TV animated, etc NOTHING compared to DC's Batman & Superman.

    Currently Marvel has the edge because they have built a valid world around their characters and for a Non Marvel guy such as myself made even me actually watch and enjoy characters I never paid attention to before. However; say Batman, Superman, JL, etc; even if the story is half bad and I am there plain and simple.

  • Kyle | May 28, 2014 10:27 PM

    MoS was a great movie and a fantastic reboot. Made a ton of money, too.

  • Dryer | May 28, 2014 8:53 PM

    Seriously ? So, you think because a film makes money it's successful - you must be a special kind of stupid. And yes I would take a dozen Dalas Buyers Club over another MOS.

  • stfu666 | May 28, 2014 4:34 PM

    You're a moron if you thought MOS was a flop. Go back and watch your Dallas Buyers Club.

  • Kevin | May 28, 2014 2:50 PMReply

    I thought we were supposed to get a MOS trilogy this time? Rather than what Smith is describing.

  • HateTheNu52 | May 28, 2014 9:24 PM

    MOS as in Man of SHlT was a FLOP!!! It only made the money it did because nobody knew any better and went to see it. The sequel will only make money because of Batman and we already know other then Batman it will suck cow balls. The setting is dark and it fits Batman. A dark setting WILL NEVER fit Superman or Wonder Woman. Snyder and Smith are pig bangers for playing this joke on the fans. I hope lightning strikes production.

  • Shriken | May 28, 2014 1:53 PMReply

    If the marvel approach was successful, it was for a reason. I don't think reversing it will be successful. Justice League without adequate buildup will fail (or at least not be as successful as it should). You have to build a new moviegoing fanbase (and impress the old) for each character first.

  • bimpy | May 29, 2014 1:20 PM

    Apart from Batman and Superman, everyone else needs build up. Hardcore movie goers hardly make up the audience , so Wonderwoman and the rest need to establish themselves as persons. Their personalities and core traits need to shine. Just not the worst of them at first all throughout. Yes even Wonderwoman is not well known above her name, costume, and golden lasso like Captain America. I doubt 85% of the audience even knew what his shield was made out of, who his best friends were, and his arch enemies. Thanagar needs to be established. Her relationship to magic and the greek mythos. Flash needs build up. Cyborg needs build up. Aquaman needs build up. Can't just throw them out there without showing who they, why they act that way, and their motivations. Otherwise you end up being cryptic and underdeveloped. Everything should connect well enough to be tight. If not then you end up disjointed like Fox's movies

  • stfu666 | May 28, 2014 4:41 PM

    I agree with Falcon1282 in that you don't need a build up for the Justice League since most people already know Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman. I can just hear people say if WB went the Marvel/Disney route that WB was just trying to copy Disney's way. It's good that WB is doing their own thing and I like the gritty, serious nature of MOS instead of the cheesy humor that is put into the Marvel/Disney movies. Marvel/Disney is not perfect. They are making an Ant-man movie that isn't even going to be in the Avengers and is a weak character that will not even get half the attention that Iron Man did. Guardians of the Galaxy is another group that most have not heard of and just looks silly. That's why it's released in August and not in May, June, or July.

  • falcon1282 | May 28, 2014 2:23 PM

    That's your opinion but there's nothing to suggest it won't fail. Superman and Batman (and Wonder Woman) are proven movie-draws. Iron Man, Cap, Thor, those were all heroes that had never been in a movie before, so they needed those building block movies to flesh them out.

    Batman? Superman? We've seen them over and over for decades. Better to jump right in, use them as the springboards for the other well-knowns (WW, Flash, Green Lantern, etc), and then spin-off. Not sure why you're so down on WB/DC when they're clearly just starting to rev their engines up.

  • Dwayne | May 28, 2014 1:29 PMReply

    Regarding the v. and vs. thing.... "v." is the abbreviation for versus when the adversaries are single people, like Batman v. Superman, Roe v. Wade, McEnroe v. Bjorg. "vs." is used for teams, such as Yankees vs. Orioles.

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