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Recap: ‘Game Of Thrones’ Season 4, Episode 2, ‘The Lion And The Rose’ Is A Nice Day For A Westeros Wedding

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by Katie Walsh
April 13, 2014 10:00 PM
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If there is one piece of advice in the land of Westeros, it is DO NOT ACCEPT AN INVITATION TO A WEDDING. Also, don’t get married, don’t participate in weddings, just never go anywhere or do anything. I’m starting to wonder if George R.R. Martin is an anti-marriage advocate or something. I do think that “The Lion and The Rose” (directed by Alex Graves) one-ups “The Red Wedding” in terms of sheer shock value, and I will get into that later, but let’s check in with the rest of the gang before we delve into the wedding business.

The Dreadfort
A damsel is pursued through the woods in a game of Sadistic Tag, which just so happens to be Ramsay Snow’s (Iwan Rheon) favorite pastime. The poor gal seems to get away...before she’s taken down with an arrow and devoured by dogs. Cool game! In tow with Ramsay is his new pal Reek, aka the shell of the former Theon Greyjoy (Alfie Allen), who has been flayed and emasculated into the twitching, fearful mess that is Reek.

Ramsay welcomes his father, Roose Bolton (Michael McElhatton), and new stepmom, one of the more unfortunate Frey gals, back to the Dreadfort. Roose is not totally happy with how Ramsay has been running things, especially since the Theon Greyjoy he'd hoped to use as a bargaining tool with his father Balon basically doesn’t exist anymore. This isn’t a prince, this is a quivering slave. He reads Ramsay down, reminding him that he’s not a Bolton, he’s a Snow (the last name of all the bastards in the North) and scolds him for his tactics. He underestimates Ramsay’s psychopathic cunning though, and his bastard demonstrates just how much power he exerts over Reek by having him give him a straight razor shave, during which he has him tell Roose about the farm boys he killed to pass off as Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) and Rickon Stark (Art Parkinson), meaning that Roose isn’t quite the ruler of the North just yet. While Reek’s razor is at his throat, he casually explains that this is because Roose just planted a knife in Robb Stark’s chest. It’s one of the most tension-filled scenes in this series of tension-filled scenes. Roose makes a quick plan to find the remaining Starks, starting with Jon Snow (Kit Harington) at Castle Black, his faith renewed in Ramsay’s abilities, who is given the task of taking Moat Cailin from the Greyjoys.

Dragonstone Island
Over at ol’ Dragonstone Island, Stannis Baratheon (Stephen Dillane), his witchy mistress Melisandre (Carice Van Houten) and others are having themselves an infidel-roast, torching up some former compatriots who dare to worship gods other than the Lord of Light. The night is dark and full of terrors, indeed. Later, at the worst dinner party ever (bad meat), Stannis’ wife Selyse (Tara Fitzgerald) reminisces about the good old days when they were under siege and starving, eating grilled seagull. She worries about their daughter, Shireen (Kerry Ingram), and asks Melisandre to talk to her (this polygamous relationship is just all kinds of messed up). Never one to pass up the opportunity to proselytize, Melisandre visits the dear girl in her tower, where she poo-poohs her trauma at watching an old family friend go up in flames, and reminds her that the only hell to worry about is “the one we live in now” (she does have a point…).

In the North
Bran and his bunch—Hodor (Kristian Nairn), Jojen (Thomas Brodie-Sangster) and Meera Reed (Ellie Kendrick)—are on the road in the North, heading to… Castle Black? Beyond the Wall? This is what you get for following a psychic tween! Stuck wandering the snowy woods for a season and a half! Bran is warging himself into his direwolf Summer like crazy, enjoying the fresh deer meat he’s getting into, which is a lot better than the no meat they have. Jojen and Meera warn him against warging too much, as he’ll forget his whole life (Bran is probably like, yes, that’s the idea, my life sucks).

Bran is drawn to a God tree in the forest and, when he touches it, he has a crazy vision of the three-eyed raven, his father, the sword, dragons over King’s Landing and a bunch of other crazy stuff along with the message “Look for me, beneath the tree.. the north.” Suddenly Bran knows where they should head.

King’s Landing
Preparations are afoot for the wedding of Joffrey Baratheon (Jack Gleeson) and Margaery Tyrell (Natalie Dormer). Batten down the hatches, motherfuckers.

Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) and Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) have come to some sort of brotherly bond, as Tyrion seems to be the only one that Jaime can feel comfortable talking to about his new disability. And Tyrion, ever the giver of the benefit of the doubt, reaches out to Jaime, even offering Bronn (Jerome Flynn) as a discreet trainer in swordsmanship.

At a pre-wedding event, Joffrey is presented with a wide array of gifts, including a book from Tyrion and the other Valyrian sword from Tywin (Charles Dance), which he promptly uses to destroy the book. JOFFREY HATE READING. Poor Sansa (Sophie Turner) has to watch this whole thing as he names the sword Widow’s Wail and crows about cutting off Ned Stark’s head (you just gave the order, boo).

Tyrion’s also really got to make some moves about Shae (Sebill Kekilli) as she’s been found out and, as Varys (Conleth Hill) warns, Tywin is in the mood for whore-hanging, especially if it means Tyrion is spilling his seed NOT in Sansa. He arranges for her passage to Pentos via ship, where she’ll have a house and all that, but Shae refuses to go, saying they should fight his family. I continue to not buy any of Shae’s actions, ever. No self-preserving working girl would act like that. Tyrion does his best “John Lithgow telling Harry to leave” and tells her all sorts of awful stuff in order to make her mad and go away. Bronn is tasked with making sure she gets on the boat, and later, at the wedding, he assures Tyrion that she’s gone.

Wedding time! Bells ring throughout King’s Landing as Margaery, wearing at least seven Bump-its under her insane weave (the higher the hair the closer to God!), greets her King Joffrey. Tyrion reminds Sansa that she dodged a serious bullet with this one. The ceremony is over quick and dirty so we can move on to the Cirque du Soleil-themed reception. In the latest episode of “Queen of Shade,” Tywin and Olenna (Dianna Rigg) toss barbs at each other about paying for the wedding, war debts, and she warns that the Iron Bank of Braavos will come a calling for, oh what was that again about the Lannisters?, their DEBTS. Game, set, match Olenna.

The reception is a nightmare, with anyone and everyone squabbling and bitching and being very mean to each other (so… normal family wedding?). Joffrey is being a total asshole and Margaery looks appropriately horrified at his behavior. She keeps trying to distract and neutralize him, announcing that they are giving the leftovers to the poor, and purring and cooing over “my love.”

Finally Loras Tyrell (Finn Jones) gets some screen time as he and Oberyn Martell (Pedro Pascal) make sexy eyes at each other (cannot wait for that scene!) and Jaime tries to get into a little tiff with him over their shared lady love. In response to Jaime sniffing that Loras’ll never marry Cersei (Lena Headey), Loras responds “neither will you.” OH SNAP THE SHADE IS STRONG WITH YOUNG TYRELL. Jaime is off of his game.

Cersei, meanwhile, is just burning a swath of raging bitchiness throughout this wedding, sneaking around and calling off the leftovers plan, bullying Brienne of Tarth (Gwendoline Christie) about being in love with Jaime (Brienne doesn’t deny it), and being totally horrid to Oberyn and his paramour, Ellaria Sand (Indira Varma). Oberyn tosses it right back though, mentioning his sister’s demise at the hand of the Mountain. Cersei is grasping at her bitchy straws and she is outpaced on that front by Oberyn.

Joffrey announces some surprise entertainment he has planned and rolls out the red carpet for… five dwarfs reenacting the War of the Five Kings. Thank the gods it’s not some kind of ritual murder, but still, let this be a lesson to us all: NEVER let a teenage boy plan a wedding. Everyone hates the display as the dwarves clobber each other, particularly Renly Baratheon’s ex-wife, Joffrey’s new wife, Margaery, and Renly’s lover, her brother Loras. Sansa’s also not pleased with the sight of a dwarf dressed as Joffrey humping the wolf head symbolic of the Stark clan.

Joffrey digs at Tyrion to join in, cause you know, dwarfs. Funny! Tyrion digs back and essentially suggests that the dwarf playing Joffrey would rape him, and Joffrey reacts by dumping a glass of wine on his head, and forcing Tyrion to be his cup bearer. It’s all extremely awkward and terrible, as Joffrey drops his cup, kicks it, makes Tyrion fill it, etc. Margaery, again trying in vain to put an end to Joffrey’s tormenting Tyrion, announces “look, the pie!”

It works, for a moment, with Joffrey splitting the giant pastry with his new sword (beheading a few of the live doves inside in the process) and chowing down on the pie with his new bride. But as Tyrion and Sansa slip away, he demands his cup again. Tyrion faithfully retrieves the cup and hands it to him, which Joffrey drinks from deeply. Suddenly, Joffrey starts to choke. Oh no… it couldn’t be. Oh. Yes. Yes it is. 

As his new bride screams for help, Joffrey stumbles into the middle of the reception, coughing, sputtering, vomiting blood and turning blue. His parents, Cersei and Jaime, rush to his side as his eyes turn an unholy shade and he foams and bleeds from the mouth. IS THIS REALLY HAPPENING? Is the little shit the sadistic Joffrey really expiring? Expire he does, with his last act to point at Tyrion who is STUPIDLY picking up the fallen cup, and his mother screams bloody murder that her brother poisoned the king, her son. Goddamn, y’all.

Here’s why I think this event was more shocking than the Red Wedding. Joffrey was in power the entire time at this event, while we knew that the Starks were getting off just a bit too easy in Walder Frey’s house—they were in the vulnerable position while Joffrey was not. I didn’t see this coming by a long shot and was completely shocked by it. We even rewound the scene to see when someone might have tainted the cup—by my numerous accounts, I didn’t see, though initially I thought Sansa when she picked the cup up from the floor. She, by the way, was whisked away by the fool Ser Dontos (Tony Way) while Joffrey was still choking, so money’s on him to be involved.

Let’s play Clue: was it Margaery with the goblet? Ser Dontos with the pie? Sansa with the weird necklace? Let me know your thoughts below (those who have read the books... don't spoil the fun). And leave your best eulogies for Joffrey below too. While he was an insufferable character, I’m only sad to see him go because Jack Gleeson did an incredible acting job in portraying someone so deeply deranged and unlikable. Bravo, Jack Gleeson, and here’s hoping Joffrey doesn’t follow you for the rest of your career. 


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84 Comments

  • dmarkos | April 20, 2014 8:16 PMReply

    How he got poisoned? It's obvious no? He drops his cup into the ground. You know what lives in the ground? GERMS. He then kicks his cup. This counts for MORE GERMS. And dont get me started with the dove blooded cake..... He died from an unhygienic coctail....

  • dmarkos | April 20, 2014 8:17 PM

    I'm obviously joking.

  • Ben | April 19, 2014 6:13 PMReply

    The former Queen was trying to poison Margery but Tyrion picked up her goblet and gave if to him.

  • Check | April 18, 2014 10:23 AMReply

    Olenna Tyrell poisoned Joffrey with one of the moonstones from Sansa's necklace. The Tyrells escape blame and Littlefinger whisks Sansa away to the Eyrie but Tyrion falls under fire and ends up on trial for his life, with Oberyn Martell fighting as his champion against Gregor Clegane. Gregor kills Oberyn but not before Oberyn gets in a stab with his poisoned spear, which kills Gregor eventually. Jaime eventually helps Tyrion escape and Tyrion kills Tywin before fleeing across the Narrow Sea to meet up with Illyrio, who sends him to Daenerys. Also, remember Rhaegar's son, Prince Aegon? The infant that Gregor Clegane supposedly killed? Yeah, he's alive and hoping to marry Daenerys. Along with Quentyn Martell of Dorne, Oberyn's brother's son. But turns out both of them are out of luck when Daenerys marries Hizdahr zo Loraq, a Meereneese native.

  • SpoilerPolice | May 23, 2014 9:25 PM

    Good job ass hole.

  • PP | May 4, 2014 4:07 AM

    Wow, you're either really good at this guessing game or, you know, an asshole.

  • jessicaj | April 17, 2014 7:11 PMReply

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  • Arendee | April 17, 2014 11:15 AMReply

    Is everyone forgetting the Dornish guy? I think he's the most likely suspect for orchestrating this whole thing. Dontos was obviously involved in some way but not the orchestrator. And Olenna and Margaery may dislike the Lannisters, but they are not killers, I mean they were about to become family.

  • ben | April 16, 2014 5:04 PMReply

    Olenna nicked a gem of sansa's necklace and broke it to put the liquid inside of the gem into the pie or the drink, this was done with help of a few people.

  • TS | April 15, 2014 9:08 PMReply

    Yeah, I'm in the "Olenna-Margaery-Dontos" camp. They orchestrated it together.

  • stacie | April 15, 2014 8:26 PMReply

    did anyone notice ollena fingering sansa's strange necklace? hmmm

  • Mike | April 15, 2014 10:51 AMReply

    He's a troll. Sounds like he's planting misinformation.

  • AXELL | April 15, 2014 10:22 AMReply

    if you watch back the episode to where Olenna in talking to Sansa watch the necklace closely if you look at the jewels on it. One on it is missing.
    If you refer back to season4 episode one Ser Dontos gave the necklace to Sansa he might have put poison in stead of a jewel as he has had it in for Joffery since season 2 when he tried to kill him.
    Back to when joffery was just about to die he handed his drink to Margaery to take a sip she refuses so it was Olenna, Ser Dontos and Margaery

  • alphabet | April 15, 2014 7:05 PM

    If you watch Olenna's gestures in this moment you can actually see her seem to pluck the jewel from Sansa's necklace.

  • UNoNuthinJonSnow | April 15, 2014 6:07 AMReply

    In my opinion there are only 2 to 3 persons who could have murdered Joffrey. Sansa, Olenna or Margaery (although i don't think Margaery could do it). It would make sense if Sansa murdered him, because she hated him for such a long time. Olenna may noticed what a monster Joffrey was and didn't want Margaery to marry him.. Don't know..

    By the way, if you want to see some funny Season 4 related comic, search for #BOUT2 :)

  • Ser Goatengine | April 15, 2014 5:53 AMReply

    Ok i put down some theories (see my first comment). After reading about what people are saying bout LF it makes sense a bit.
    LF could be with Dontos to whisk away sansa and then take her to Lysa . Also if the necklace was the poison then surely Dontos should have a rich backer enter LF. Also he was the one to ask tyrells for help wasnt he? He may have hatched this with olenna.
    so with some improvement to my theories
    1. SANSA WITH LF
    She picked up the cup and handed it to Tyrion. Plenty of opportunity to slip a poison. She then leaves with Dontos. So she is a prime suspect. But a serious flaw to this is where wud she go. Where would Dontos take here? Both have no power. And episodes leading to this have painted Dontos a catspaw rather than a schemer. AND THE SCHEMER IS LF. this theory makes more sense now as sansa may now go to vale to LYSA
    2. OLENNA TYRELL (with Margaery)
    Some maybe surprised but i think she is a strong contender. For this wedding seemed to be a VERY CAREFULLY planned out thing. She has got the wits the means and power to do it . Now why exactly do I suspect her. If you look carefully she visits Sansa and plays with the necklace a long long time and then the cup was just near her while Joffy was cutting the pie. She could have used Dontos as a catspaw seeing that Sansa saved his life. And then used Dontos whisk her Highgarden where she may marry Loras and thus tyrells would gain North too.( Sansa is heir to North). Also she remarks something bout visiting Highgarden to Sansa.
    LF mayhave been with them and would be the one to hide Sansa till all lannisters are eliminated so that sansa marries loras
    OBERYN MARTELL with LF
    Wants to kill everyone associated with lannisters.
    Known as red viper (this must mean something)
    conveniently meantions that Myrcella is a hostage.
    HIS PLAN
    Kill Joffy, Tommen THEN CROWN WOULD GO TO myrcella. Use her to wipe out the lannisters. REVENGE. Cersie for his Oberyns sis Joffy for his Nephew and toomen for his Neice. In return LF may get Dorne's help
    STILL TYRELLS ARE THE MAIN SUSPECT BUT SANSA IS ALSO A STRONG CONTENDER

  • Mark | April 15, 2014 7:48 AM

    You have some good theories here. I'm not going to give any spoilers but I will fill in some details. Before Sansa was married to Tyrion, Olenna Tyrel secretly offered to marry her to Willas Tyrel, Loras's younger brother. Willas was crippled at 16 when a horse fell on his leg during a jousting match. But Tywin found out about the secret proposal as married Sansa to Tyrion before she cold be taken to Highgarden. Marrying Sansa to Loras was never an option in the books, but who knows if it will be in the TV show. As for Oberyn, he doesn't want revenge, he wants JUSTICE for his family members who were killed as children 17 years ago during the war. The mountain is the one who killed them but most people believe Tywin Lannister ordered their deaths. Oberyn does not want to kill Joffrey or Tommen or any other Lannister who is young enough not to be guilty in those deaths. Oberyn in called the Red Viper. It's just a nickname he picked up years ago because he's quick to start a fight and has killed many people. Also, Dornish law states that women may inherit the throne if they are the oldest, so Myrcella Lannister is now the heir to the Iron Throne because she is older than Tommen. But of course Dornish law is only valid in Dorn.

  • JD | April 15, 2014 4:21 AMReply

    you're so stupid. get a life you idiot.

  • Leslie | April 15, 2014 3:41 AMReply

    It was obviously Lady Olenna Tyrell

  • Danielle | April 15, 2014 3:19 AMReply

    Chase, what the hell is wrong with you? For those of us who aren't caught up with the books, this spoiler is pretty lame, asshole.

  • Mark | April 14, 2014 11:14 PMReply

    I think they really put forth a minimal effort on this episode. It could have been really good if they had followed the books more closely. The books have some great scenes I was looking forward to seeing on the screen but I was disappointed. The meeting of Roose Bolton and Ramsey Snow/Bolton was different and show their characters as darker and more adversarial. They should have chosen different actors that can play those characters better. That also would have shown how Theon became Reek. The wedding in Kings Landing could have been much better too. They have no shortage of good material to use but they left it out. I think the director Alex Graves hasn't read the books. The scene was very vivid with a lot of important details that could have been included but they weren't. Overall I'm just disappointed they didn't try harder on this episode.

  • second-tier | April 15, 2014 3:12 AM

    It may be interesting to note that GRRM wrote this episode for television himself.

  • Marie massino | April 14, 2014 10:02 PMReply

    right after Geoffrey cuts the cake they show a close up of the dead doves inside.
    I think they were dead because they were in there eating the poisoned pie not because
    Geoffrey's sword killed. Also he started to react badly after eating the pie before he even got a sip of the wine. it's the pie not the wine.

  • JFA | April 14, 2014 8:16 PMReply

    Fact 1: Ser Dontos gives a necklace to Sansa.
    Fact 2: Sansa takes the necklace to the purple wedding.
    Fact 3: Margaery's grandmother, Lady Olenna Redwyne, goes to talk to Sansa at the table and casually strokets her hair and touches the necklace. At this precise moment you notice her fingers are holding something.
    Fact 4: Immediately after you see Olenna Redwyne's fingers holding something, you see Sansa's neck and necklace, and guess what, top left stone is missing...
    Fact 5: Ser Dontos takes Sansa away "if you want to live, follow me right away", while Joffrey is chocking.
    Add this to the earlier episodes in last season when we see Margaery and Lady Olenna Redwyne asking about Joffrey's behaviour and character, you just need to add 2 and 2.
    Ser Dontos and Lady Olenna Redwyne are definitely involved in the murder of Joffrey Baratheon, first of his name (and last hopefully).

  • nic | April 16, 2014 9:40 PM

    in between fact 4 and fact 5 is the most important part....where i believe the actual poisoning happened.

    - the clown juggling in the middle, was actually 'ser dontos' ...he was being silly and at that stage you can see Sansa stare over to Margery - at which point Margery takes a deep breath and also looks down at her own body .....that was in anticipation.

    I believe that is the point, when Joffrey got up and yelled to people to hit the clown in the head, that an action was taken!!

  • ahha | April 15, 2014 4:45 PM

    excellent and accurate points and if I may add
    Fact 6: At the moment Tyrion grabs the goblet for the last time camera focuses on Olenna's face for couple of seconds. She stares intensely and with great anxiety at it while Tyrion is garbing it.

    Knowing nothing is accidental in this show all this facts together as you said clearly point toward Ser Dontos and Lady Olenna Tyrell. Margaery was probably on it too.

  • cj | April 14, 2014 11:38 PM

    I agree with everything but Lady Olenna Redwyne is Lady Olenna Tyrell.

  • Talie | April 14, 2014 7:28 PMReply

    I believe Sansa did kill him -- but she had no idea she was involved. I don't know what she had on her or what she did, but poetically, she most likely held the key to putting an end to Joffrey.

  • Adam | April 14, 2014 6:42 PMReply

    Haha I love reading all these responses from people who haven't read the books. It's a lot of fun knowing the plot of something that has so many people guessing.

    A ton of wrong answers around here, and maybe a few close to the truth... ;)

  • pk75 | April 14, 2014 6:14 PMReply

    My best guess is the guy we haven't seen yet- littlefinger. He has a lot to his, especially if tuition is framed and he can marry sansa.

  • aurora | April 14, 2014 5:17 PMReply

    Not sure who actually went through with the act of poisoning Joffrey (though I have a feeling it was Oberyn Martell) but his death made me think of Stanis. Stanis cursed Robb Stark, Joffrey Boratheon, and Balon Greyjoy with the leeches. Robb and Joffrey are dead, so is Balon Greyjoy next?

  • Saw | April 14, 2014 4:06 PMReply

    I would assume it was the pie that was poisoned. No one ate it but Joffrey (Margaery neve had any.)

  • Danny | April 14, 2014 3:00 PMReply

    I don't know why anyone thnks that Jamie is the rightful heir.. he is NOT a Baratheon. Only the Baratheons have a right to the throne. Therefore any other son of the original king Baratheon is next. Even though we know that all the kids of King Rob is actually the kid's of Cersie and Jamie, the public doenst know that. Therefore Joffrey's younger brother is now the King. It is clear. End of story.

  • Danielle | April 15, 2014 3:22 AM

    Chase, you creepy know it all bored virgin, the article specifically said that people who haven't read it shouldn't spoil it. There is seriously something wrong with you.

  • Ravenkiller | April 14, 2014 2:56 PMReply

    How about Arya's faceless man?

  • BH | April 14, 2014 2:47 PMReply

    Rather than focusing on who was at the wedding, perhaps one should think about which characters were conspicuously absent.

  • CerseiIsTrash | April 14, 2014 2:32 PMReply

    Wtf is cersei's problem, she's just like joffrey.

    She's a f*king royal cow, Tyrion has never done anything to her and yet she wants him dead for nothing.

    I'd really like a trend to catch on that Cersei is trash.

  • cj | April 14, 2014 11:42 PM

    When Cercei was a young girl she had her fortune told to her and lets just say she didn't like what she heard.

  • Mike | April 14, 2014 11:11 PM

    Cersei is so ratchet

  • Martin | April 14, 2014 5:31 PM

    There are a lot of moments in the seasons so far where Tyrion annoyed Cersei. The second episode of the first season for example, he hinted at knowing why Bran fell down from the tower and she said "I wonder on which side you're on". He really did it when he send her daughter Myrcella to be married with the crown prince in Dorne.

    But as JK stated, it's killing his mother when being born that started it all. Hopefully the next episode will give hints about Tyrion's 'happy' childhood with his sister just like in the books.

  • JK | April 14, 2014 3:24 PM

    Actually Cersei thinks that Tyrion 'killed' their mother who died when Tyrion was born, so there's a lifelong grudge.

  • Sk55ng | April 14, 2014 1:18 PMReply

    My bet is on the Tyrells. What about Sansa's necklace? The fool gave the necklace to Sansa. Did Olenna Tyrell take a piece off it when she spoke with Sansa at the beginning of the ceremony? Looks like a piece was missing? Could have been the poison?

  • Anita | April 14, 2014 1:04 PMReply

    Hats off to actor Jack Gleeson! I read he is retiring from acting which is a shame. He created a truly loathsome character which is not easy to do well. He did.

  • Anita Roll | April 14, 2014 12:55 PMReply

    My bet is on Olenna and others but not Margaery. I think once she really got wind of how awful Joffery really was she was not going to subject her family to that nastiness. It would only be a matter of time before he tormented Margaery. Saved her from a lifetime of maneuvering him with "here's the pie" distractions. Thank you Game of Thrones...you owed us that one. That's for Ed Stark you little monster!

  • Lagale99 | April 14, 2014 12:06 PMReply

    Thank God he's dead!!! I could barely watch as he tormented poor Tyrion! And he suffered... how glorious! I watched over and over.

    On another note, Oleanna made such a fuss about the necklace Margaery should wear for the wedding; I couldn't wait to see to it. Needless to say it was disappointing...

  • ser Goatengine | April 14, 2014 11:35 AMReply

    Robb | April 14, 2014 4:16 AMReply

    Cersei did it... in the previous episode where Jaime was being fitted with a gold hand she thanks master Qyburn for his help with the "other matter" to which Qyburn asks "the symptoms have abated?
    SHE BEDDED LANCEL REMEMBER.
    Then at the wedding reception Cersei has Pycelle return to the kitchens to tell them to feed the leftovers to the kennels despite the announcement made earlier by Queen Margaery that King Joffery had graciously donated to the less fortunate of the city . In the exchange she makes it very clear that she is THE Queen and commands Pycelle to leave her presence and reminds him that the "leftovers will feed the dogs or you will." PROBABLY JEALOUS OF MARGAERY
    . Tywin also looks unfazed by the happenings, although it may be more of a good riddance than any involvement in the assassination.YES GOOD POINT HE MAY HAVE DONE THAT. So now, naturally the crown falls to Jaime who will then, we assume, marry his twin sister Cersei and she will be Queen once again. NO IT WILL GO TOMMEN THEN TO MYRCELLA

  • Mike | April 14, 2014 11:15 PM

    I agree Cersei did it with her ratchet ass

  • ser Goatengine | April 14, 2014 11:30 AMReply

    I have not read the books. And from my point of view Cersei seems the least likely. She had mentoined that she lives for her children didn't she. And also she does not gain anything from killing joffy. On the contrary the tyrells, martells and Sansa are the real suspects.
    I think sansa's necklace is the main power here.
    1. SANSA
    A bit obvious though. She picked up the cup and handed it to Tyrion. Plenty of opportunity to slip a poison. She then leaves with Dontos. So she is a prime suspect. But a serious flaw to this is where wud she go. Where would Dontos take here? Both have no power. And episodes leading to this have painted Dontos a catspaw rather than a schemer.
    2. OLENNA TYRELL (with Margaery)
    Some maybe surprised but i think she is a strong contender. For this wedding seemed to be a VERY CAREFULLY planned out thing. She has got the wits the means and power to do it . Now why exactly do I suspect her. If you look carefully she visits Sansa and plays with the necklace a long long time and then the cup was just near her while Joffy was cutting the pie. She could have used Dontos as a catspaw seeing that Sansa saved his life. And then used Dontos whisk her Highgarden where she may marry Loras and thus tyrells would gain North too.( Sansa is heir to North). Also she remarks something bout visiting Highgarden to Sansa.
    NOW WHAT DO THESE TYRELLS GAIN
    1. Sansa married to Loras they gain the north
    2. They will force Marriage of Margaery to Tommen
    3.Put Cersei and Tywin out of the way (a bit more poison). they own the realm.
    OBERYN MARTELL
    Wants to kill everyone associated with lannisters.
    Known as red viper (this must mean something)
    conveniently meantions that Myrcella is a hostage.
    HIS PLAN
    Kill Joffy, Tommen THEN CROWN WOULD GO TO myrcella. Use her to wipe out the lannisters. REVENGE. Cersie for his Oberyns sis Joffy for his Nephew and toomen for his Neice

    BUT MY BET IS ON THE TYRELLS

  • Callmelennie | April 14, 2014 6:39 PM

    Not Sansa. She gave the cup to Tyrion who gave the empty cup to Joffrey. The King would have noticed something in his cup. Can't be Tyrion. He didn't know Joffrey was going to publicly humiliate him with the ol' cup bearer routine, so he couldn't have planned for anything. And it's not like he could slip something into the wine right in front of Joffrey. Besides, Joffrey took a sip before he whacked the pie with no ill effect

    What about Olenna? Joffrey's cup was placed right in front of her. Then there was the surprise pigeon thing that distracted everyone's attention. Olenna had opportunity to slip in poison without being noticed. At which point, Joffrey takes a sip with immediate ill effect. Then Joffrey takes another sip which greatly aggravates his condition. This points to the poison being in the wine. Moreover, the director helps you out with a foreshadowing shot of the goblet with Olenna in the background -- immediately before Joffrey picks up the goblet

  • Baboo | April 14, 2014 4:00 PM

    Some really good theories. There is a wild card that nobody is talking about. The same one who loves chaos, little finger.

  • Guarnere | April 14, 2014 11:05 AMReply

    Wasn't it Tyrion who gave Sansa that medication? 1 drop to sleep 2 drops to paralyze and 5 drops to never wake up again?

    Betting my money on Sansa

  • Whitt | April 14, 2014 10:34 AMReply

    I would point out three things regarding who may have been behind Joffrey's poisoning:

    (1) It wasn't Tryion. It's simply not his style, for one thing. And he's too smart to have let himself be caught 'holding the cup' for another.

    (2) In the best of classic murder-mystery tradition, "Poison is a woman's weapon."

    (3) Also in the best of classic murder-mystery tradition, ask the question "Cui bono?" Who benefits? Pure personal satisfaction aside, who benefits from Joffrey dying?

  • Heph | April 14, 2014 11:41 PM

    Tommen it is then!

  • Tim | April 14, 2014 9:15 AMReply

    I haven't read the books , but I too believe it was Cercie. She had the most too gain. The wedding made her no longer queen regent. She would have to kill Joffrey before the marriage was consummated, otherwise jofferies heir would be king and Margery would become queen regent. Now Cercie's 2nd son is heir to the throne and she remains queen regent. This most likely breaks off her wedding to Lora's because with Margery no longer queen the alliance with the tyrells is nullified. Also it's been made clear that she is pals with that "unethical" maester which gives her the wherewithal to poison. Not to mention framing Tyrian for the murder would also suit her.

  • chiki | April 14, 2014 7:46 AMReply

    jeoffrey in the book did worst to his uncle than n the show.. but im rather sad to say goodbye to an amazing actor who did a fantastic job in portraying one of the most hated characters in history.. well done jack gleeson... with regards to the show... not to spoil.. sansa's escape says it all.. and believe me, it's never been cleared in the books as well.. whoever killed jeoffrey.. thanks to him... the worst is still to come for the lannisters...

  • Martin | April 14, 2014 9:43 PM

    It is cleared in the books...

  • jz | April 14, 2014 7:46 AMReply

    Ding dong the bitch is dead.

  • Robb | April 14, 2014 4:16 AMReply

    Cersei did it... in the previous episode where Jaime was being fitted with a gold hand she thanks master Qyburn for his help with the "other matter" to which Qyburn asks "the symptoms have abated?" This alludes to perhaps an ailment Cersei may have faked to get some kind of drug that we can probably also assume you can overdose on. However, its really not made clear what the "other matter" was but if you don't listen closely then its easy to totally miss. Then at the wedding reception Cersei has Pycelle return to the kitchens to tell them to feed the leftovers to the kennels despite the announcement made earlier by Queen Margaery that King Joffery had graciously donated to the less fortunate of the city . In the exchange she makes it very clear that she is THE Queen and commands Pycelle to leave her presence and reminds him that the "leftovers will feed the dogs or you will." Once King Joffery is dead in her arms she's quick to pin it on Tyrion and have him arrested. Notice too, that there are no tears from Cersei's eyes as she "grieves" over the body of Joffery. Tywin also looks unfazed by the happenings, although it may be more of a good riddance than any involvement in the assassination. So now, naturally the crown falls to Jaime who will then, we assume, marry his twin sister Cersei and she will be Queen once again. Interestingly Cersei also made it very uncomfortable for Brienne as well as she alludes to her being in love with Jamie, which she may be, but regardless is not something she'd admit to if true. But just in case this will probably be enough to get Brienne to leave Kings Landing and perhaps rid herself of any protectors of Jamie. Meanwhile we're trying to be led to think that Dontos may have something to do with the poisoning of Joffery as he grabs Sansa and tells her... "if you want to live we have to leave." Just my guess... Can't wait till next week!!!

  • John | April 16, 2014 1:43 PM

    Killing Joffrey is the last thing in the world Cercei would ever do. She has lost control of him and knowing that he is the only source of power she ever had, believes he is the only hope she ever had of regaining it. She is becoming more and more deranged by the loss, and is unaware that she is on the way down and has little hope of regaining her power. Cercei is the only person in Westeros not secretly happy, or at least relieved, at Joffrey's death.

    Tywin is definitely thinking "good riddance". Although Joffrey is merely an annoying inconvenience to him, it' good to be rid of inconveniences.

  • Mark | April 15, 2014 8:14 AM

    Now that Joffrey is dead the throne goes to his younger brother Tommen. Jaime is not that close in the line of succession. Also the meeting between Brienne and Cersei never happened in the book. there's no possibility of a love affair there. In fact, the Lannisters imprisoned her as soon as she arrived at Kings Landing with Jaime. Brienne was serving Renly Barratheon and then Lady Stark, both traitors in the eyes of the Lannisters. If not for Jaime's intervention she probably would have been executed by now.

  • cattt | April 14, 2014 8:00 AM

    I haven't read the books, but I thought that 'the other matter' and 'the symptoms' meant that Cersei was pregnant and had to kill the baby. She couldn't let Jaime, or anyone else, know that she's been screwing around.

    Good points anyway, Cersei might be the one who poisoned Joffrey.

  • Roddy | April 14, 2014 5:34 AM

    and don't forget what Jaime said to Loras. That if he(Loras) got her pregnant, she would kill the child before he drew breath, coupled with her recent emotional distance from Jaime.

  • Roddy | April 14, 2014 5:25 AM

    You bring up some very good points, and they definitely make her a prime suspect. One thing though, Jaime would not be King as he is a Lannester Lion and not a Baratheon Stag (who happens to hold the crown). The crown will actually fall to the younger son of Cersei and Jaime, who everyone thinks is Robert's son as well. He is the one she was going to poison during the Battle of the Blackwater, but then quickly aborted the poisoning when Tywin came marching. I have a feeling that this may in fact be what she wanted as she agreed in previous episodes that Joffrey was a monster, so it is logical to think she favored the younger son. And now Margaery won't be queen. Win win win for Cersei.

    I also would assume Varys (one of my favorite characters) knew about it, but had no involvement.

  • KingThing | April 14, 2014 2:17 AMReply

    I read the books(no spoilers, but I do ask some questions based on observations you might have missed), so I know what went down, but GOT was really clever about making it ambiguous. Here's a few things I noticed:

    Joffrey ingests 3 separate times: Wine, food, Wine. The first time, with the wine, the cup is handled by two people, on the right-hand side of the table: Sansa and Tyrion. The wine had been sitting at the table before though, and nobody died other than Joffrey, so if it was the wine, it had to have been put in his cup, not the bottle. The food was handled by Margery, but the pie could have come from anyone and Joffrey is the only one who ate any so it might be that. The second time he drinks wine, Tyrion picks up the cup from the left hand side of the table, where it has remained unattended for a while. Tyrion is completely dumbfounded by this cup, after the event, as if he is trying to figure out if the death could have been caused by it. This may have been a red herring however, because the pie could have been poisoned instead. Was Margery in on it? She did mention the pie rather enthusiastically, but at the same time, appeared shocked when he began to choke. Granted, Margery has always been good at acting to get what she wants. But why would she want this? She became queen for less time than it took to consummate, which means now she has no claim once more, but also, she wont have to be with Joffrey. The Tyrells make a big deal that episode about having payed for and provided all of the food at the wedding: Pie and wine included. But what of Sir Dontos? We havent seen him for 2 seasons really, and he pops up last episode to give a necklace? Then he escapes with Sansa amidst the turmoil? There has to be something to that, no? These are things to think about...

  • Williams | April 14, 2014 4:25 PM

    It's Margaery.

    I rewatched the end a few times. After the pie arrives, Joffrey takes a quick sip of the wine Tyrion has poured for him before handing it over to Margaery. Note that nothing happens to him after this first sip. When she takes it from Joffrey, Margaery grasps the stem of the goblet with her right hand, then subtly - but very clearly - she draws her left hand over the top of the goblet, and drags the tips of her fingers over the rim. This is why he immediately begins to choke once he starts drinking again, after Tyrion has handed it to him, making Tyrion the obvious suspect to everyone present.

    I think this is ingenious. All of the plots being made by different kings and a queen to take Westeros by force with a massive army, and all it took the Tyrells was some devious scheming, patience and poisoned cup of wine. Long live the queen!

  • Katie Walsh | April 14, 2014 3:17 AM

    Yes, I rewatched that sequence to get the whole order of cup, wine, drinking, etc. down. One thing that's interesting is that when Tyrion hands Joffrey the cup (pre-pie), he takes a swig, hands it to Margaery, and she puts it down on her side. He only starts to choke post-pie, and the cup is never refilled, so he's drinking from the same cup that Tyrion handed him (filled from the carafe in front of Cersei). I haven't read the books, so I don't know the details, but this is just based on my re-watching.

  • Mike | April 14, 2014 12:55 AMReply

    No spoilers.

    I recently re-read the book as I do before each season to refresh my memory.

    - I agree with Bansky (comment below), there was no hint of an attraction between Brienne and Jaime, just her code of honor and desire to protect and serve, and his swordsmanship and value in helping her fulfill he oaths.
    - As for who is ultimately responsible for the much-deserved demise of Joffery, no spoilers as promised, but its one of the name mentioned above in the article :)
    - Obereyn is a lot more serious and sober in the book, I am not crazy how they made him a bit cartoonish in the series
    - Cersei's rage has no end, and it will continue for sometime to come
    - Theon's sister coming to his rescuer is not in the book, but its a nice addition and twist (for all the good it did him)
    - Bran and his two buddies, are the weakest part of the book and series, with so many good characters to watch, I don't know why they give them so much screen time
    - Watch out for Shae, there's more to that girl than meets the eye
    - Another Royal wedding is already being planned, who will be it? Will it be third time is the charm for Margery? Who has been with more kings that a Queen of Hearts?

    Great Show...

  • KingThing | April 14, 2014 2:19 AM

    I disagree with your interpretation of Oberyn. I think he is not cartoonish in either the book or the show. He is subtle, clever, sexually active and open, and very angry at the Lannisters.

  • Andrew | April 14, 2014 12:40 AMReply

    I think that Ser Dontos's timing in whisking away Sansa from Kingslanding was part of a greater scheme than Ser Dontos let on. C'mon, he waited 2 seasons to approach Sansa. What was he planning?

  • BH | April 14, 2014 2:45 PM

    Let's just say your instincts are good, if you haven't read the books.

  • David | April 14, 2014 12:38 AMReply

    Unfortunately, it looks like Joffery's ghost WILL alway's haunt Gleeson, because he has said that he will not be in any more acting roles once his role on GoT is over (meaning now).

  • RICARDO | April 14, 2014 12:37 AMReply

    The episode was ok but a little... monotonous. Glad joffrey is dead, it was a moment I enjoyed a lot when I'd read the book and watching it as well. The best is yet to come :)

  • Katherine | April 13, 2014 11:39 PMReply

    I think it was margerie's grandmother. She made comments to Sansa about Murders at weddings. I think the grandmother got margerie's marrried to the the then knocked off the king so she can control the crown.

  • John | April 16, 2014 1:01 PM

    Consummated or not, The Lannisters still need the Tyrells, so now Margaery must wed again.

  • KingThing | April 14, 2014 2:24 AM

    Margery is no longer queen. They didn't have time to consummate the marriage. Even if they had before the wedding, which I doubt they would have, it would be a bastard and have no legal rights to an inheritance. As Tywin made it clear to Tyrion last season, any marriage unconsummated can still be debated and overturned.

  • Christine | April 14, 2014 1:57 AM

    I disagree. The marriage between Joffrey and Margerie was not consummated, so it may not be in effect. Grammie would never have killed him off so early.

  • SummerKaren | April 13, 2014 11:24 PMReply

    For some reason I didn't enjoy this episode as much as I thought I would, although I thought it was well done. I liked Jaime and Loras's interaction. Also Ellaira Sand is not a Littlefinger employee she's Oberyn's paramour who came with him from Dorne. Oberyn is quickly becoming my new favorite character. I loved what he said to Cersei and Tywin.

  • Someone-gane | April 14, 2014 12:39 AM

    You know what they say about favorite characters in GoT...

  • Katie Walsh | April 13, 2014 11:29 PM

    Thanks for the correction! For some reason, I thought I had seen her before Oberyn showed up... will correct.

  • That Kid | April 13, 2014 11:06 PMReply

    Read the books, the moments where Joffrey spits the wine from laughter and abruptly stops after eating the pie are probably the only times my heart simply dropped from anxiety while watching a TV show.

  • Banksy | April 13, 2014 10:50 PMReply

    Nice re-cap. I enjoyed hearing the perspective of someone who hasn't read the books. Of course, the Purple Wedding wasn't a surprise to those of us who have read them, and I didn't find it as shocking or distressing as the Red Wedding.

    I was more surprised by the fact that this wedding happened so early in the season -- I was expecting the usual Episode 9 Surprise -- and by the random Harry and the Hendersons reference in this piece! I will miss Jack Gleeson, and I too hope that he won't be followed by the ghost of Joffrey.

    Granted it's been a long time since I've read book 3, but I don't remember any hints that Brienne is in love with Jamie, which this episode implies. I really hope that she's not. I like the grudging respect they have for each other (kind of like Arya and the Hound), and any kind of romance (at least at this point in their relationship) seems cliched and will spoil the dynamics of their relationship.

  • Winter | April 14, 2014 11:31 PM

    You and I both know what episode 9 is going to be - 'it' will happen. Unless 'it
    happens in episode 10 and the other big 'it' is in episode 9. But I can assure you, 'it' will happen.

    My poor wife watching this episode, crying so much. So many tears for poor Joff. Hope next episode will find us back across the Narrow Sea in the Free Cities with Dany.

    ;)

  • Honey Mustard | April 14, 2014 12:19 PM

    Jack Gleeson won't be worrying about the ghost of Joffrey too much. He announced that he was retiring from acting.

  • Sarah | April 14, 2014 9:55 AM

    It was a lot more subtle in the books and never spoken about, but it was definatly there and plot relevant. Gwendoline Christies acting in that scene was fantastic. She actually only realized it herself after Cercei pointed it out, and after that first shock came a second one, realizing all the implications of that (not the least of which is having a new enemy in Cercei)

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