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You Can't Please Everyone: Negative Reviews Of Some Of The Best Loved Films In Cinema History

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by Oliver Lyttelton
July 17, 2012 10:02 AM
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As you may have noticed, the review embargo on "The Dark Knight Rises" broke yesterday, and the word, including that from our own Todd Gilchrist, is mostly good. We say mostly, because as with most films, there are objections from a few reviews -- Christy Lemire from the Associated Press, Marshall Fine at Hollywood & Fine, Christopher Tookey at the Daily Mail, Devin Faraci at Bad Ass Digest -- coming in on the negative side of the fence. And as has become increasingly common in the last few years -- particularly with Christopher Nolan's films, Pixar movies, and even "The Avengers" -- the fans are in uproar at the sheer concept that reviewers dare give a negative notice to "The Dark Knight Rises" (regardless of the fact that these fans haven't yet seen the film for themselves).

Comment sections have been deluged with idiot children Bat-fans, not just angry about negative reviews, but merely "good" ones -- Playlist contributor James Rocchi has attracted ire for his 3/5 take on the film over at Movies.com. With chatter around 'Rises' only to increase in the next few days, we thought it seemed like a good time to remind everyone: everything gets a bad review at some point.

Some films are more divisive than others, and there were a few films -- "Singin' In The Rain," "Seven Samurai," "North By Northwest," "The Godfather" -- that we couldn't find bad reviews from serious critics for. But generally speaking, there's an always an outlier, and we've collected reviews from the releases of ten of the most beloved and acclaimed releases in history to prove our point. That's not to say that the reviews below are wrong -- most make their points well, and some are positively insightful. The fanboy trend of being unable to let any criticism pass is an insidious one: you should seek to challenge your views on a film, not shout down people for pointing out any possible flaws.

But for those who say they don't listen to critics, we've also grabbed some excerpts of user reviews from the IMDB boards, to again show that opinion isn't a black and white thing. And also because they're funny. Read on for more, and feel free to speak up in the comments section and let us know what movies have set you against the critical grain.

"Citizen Kane"
“The picture is very exciting to anyone who gets excited about how things are done in the movies… and in these things there is no doubt the picture is dramatic. But what goes on between the dramatic high points, the story? No. What goes on is talk and more talk. And while the stage may stand for this, the movies don’t.” – Otis Ferguson, The New Republic

"I watch movies constantly, an i rarely see movies that i have troubles watching all the way through. For one of my classes at school, i needed to watch afi's top 10 movies. This movie was ranked at number one and I have no idea why. This movie was so boring I had to watch it several times because i kept falling asleep and missing certain parts. Fine, it was clever having Rosebud, and the importance of youth, but i felt that this is an example of a movie, that could be told in about 5 minutes, rather than stretching it out into one of the longest and most boring movies that i have ever seen. Now, i was also shocked at the acting. i generally find that acting supports a relatively weak script, however in this movie's case, i felt that the relatively weak script was supporting the awful acting. i personally was not very impressed with the acting strictly because the reactions felt very forced and everything was very overdone. all in all i was not impressed at all with this film, regardless of past ratings." - tennisislife67, IMDB

"The Godfather Part II"
'The Godfather, Part II'... is not very far along before one realizes that it hasn't anything more to say. Everything of any interest was thoroughly covered in the original film, but like many people who have nothing to say, 'Part II' won't shut up... Even if 'Part II' were a lot more cohesive, revealing and exciting than it is, it probably would have run the risk of appearing to be the self-parody it now seems. Looking very expensive but spiritually desperate, 'Part II' has the air of a very long, very elaborate revue sketch. Nothing is sacred... Mr. Pacino, so fine the first time out, goes through the film looking glum, sighing wearily as he orders the execution of an old associate or a brother, winding up very lonely and powerful, which is just about the way he wound up before. Mr. De Niro, one of our best young actors, is interesting as the young Vito until, toward the end of his section of the film, he starts giving a nightclub imitation of Mr. Brando's elderly Vito." - Vincent Canby, New York Times

I really don't understand the obsession with the Godfather trilogy, brought up with society around me proclaiming it to be a classic I rented the first and found it just bearable! Determined on my task of watching all three I rented the second, I barely made it through, i found the storyline confusing and didn't see any of the quotes used in 'You've got Mail'! Please don't think that the only films I watch are chick flicks, I do like more serious, older films but ... oh dear... maybe I just can't relate to Italian mafia families, I must have wiped this film from my mind as I can hardly remember the storyline! I do not which to be stereotypical but maybe this really is a film for men! Please tell me there are other people out there who feel this way about these films! I can't understand how they always get to the top of 'Great film Lists'! If asked by a friend whether to watch this film I would say no, unless I wanted to punish them!
P.S I still haven't watched number three!!  - laura5578, IMDB

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34 Comments

  • Morningstar | November 13, 2012 8:00 PMReply

    Dark Knight Rises was pure rubbish; It's hype was fueled by the WB marketing machine, and forced on the masses as a work of high-art, and those who spoke up against it were castrated. The Nolan camp are master manipulators starting with their grass roots efforts (see: Nolan Fans website). Critics scared of getting lambasted gave it high marks, and those who questioned what they saw online were crucified with the same audacity. Truth be told, only those with a very low IQ or sheeple (people who can't think for themselves) could possibly forgive a movie with such a poorly written script, plot holes, and acting.

  • ssm07 | July 19, 2012 10:05 AMReply

    well i my self aint a big fan of the deputy cop from 'die-hard' but the rest of the review sucks

  • Sean | July 17, 2012 1:03 PMReply

    Time changes all things. I hated the Wild Bunch when I saw it at 15. Boring and dull. 5 years later I gave it another go and it easily became my favorite film.

    But something that bothers me about negative reviews, is that I think most of them don't come emotion or anything along those lines. There's critics out there, like Armond White, who just han out negative, college level reviews to popular films. Why? Just because so many love the film, he has to go all hipster and go against the grain.

  • Head Buckaroo | July 17, 2012 12:57 PMReply

    To be fair, most of the IMDB reviews and likely all of the Batman fanboy vitriol is the product of teenagers. And so, who cares?

  • [A] | July 17, 2012 12:22 PMReply

    You need a "VIEW ALL" option!

  • Christopher Bell | July 17, 2012 11:44 AMReply

    This was great.

    Also, I recently discovered that "The Shining" was nominated for a Razzie.

  • Olli | July 18, 2012 8:41 AM

    and right so ;-))

    To me one of the most overrated movies of all time, right next to Kubricks 2001.

  • Scott Mendelson | July 17, 2012 11:38 AMReply

    Roger Ebert is dead-on about Die Hard. We can all choose to ignore that specific portion of the film and/or choose to not make it a deal-breaker, but Ebert was 100% correct about Paul Gleason's character. Even when I first saw the film when I was 10, it annoyed me. I still love Die Hard, but it's one of the reasons I don't consider the original on a higher plane than the sequels.

  • Alan | August 12, 2012 4:19 AM

    Yeah, but the problem with the review is that he goes on with the Gleeson character ... and on and on (for three paragraphs). You know, Roger, Alan Rickman and Bruce Willis were in that film, too. This is something that Siskel picked up on, too. Focusing on Paul ... Gleeson (right?) in a Die Hard review is like spending half a review on 'The Social Network' talking about the work of John Getz: sure, you CAN do that, but why would you WANT to?

  • K Knight | July 17, 2012 12:11 PM

    Couldn't agree more. Gleason's character is laughable.

  • tristan eldritch | July 17, 2012 11:36 AMReply

    You know, I honestly think The Searchers review is spot on. It's overlong, anti-climatic, and even by general standards the humor and melodrama have aged extremely poorly. I haven't seen too many of Ford's movies, but I would rate Liberty Valance and My Darling Clementine as vastly superior to The Searchers - its seems to have become a sacred cow somehow, maybe because that closing shot is so iconic and ubiquitous in movie books.

  • Great Scott! | July 17, 2012 11:17 AMReply

    "i found the storyline confusing and didn't see any of the quotes used in 'You've got Mail'!" <--- Best line.

  • Liz | July 17, 2012 11:13 AMReply

    From the Raging Bull IMDb review:


    "Seriously though, this film is grossly pregnant; there is nothing there"


    Isn't "nothing there" sort of the opposite of "pregnant"?

  • Xian | July 17, 2012 10:32 AMReply

    Devin Faraci goes all Armond White on ‪#TDKR‬ - http://badassdigest.com/2012/07/17/mov … ‪#Cinema‬ ‪#Movies‬ ‪#Nolanverse‬ @DCComics vs. @Marvel

  • JOHN | July 17, 2012 10:26 AMReply

    Your inclusion of random IMDb crits made me laugh out loud for real. Thanks for that.

  • rotch | July 17, 2012 10:19 AMReply

    I would add Ebert's Blue Velvet pan, so infamous it made it to the dvd's extras.

  • AS | July 17, 2012 10:18 AMReply

    I agree with The Searchers. The performances are way over the top, to the point where I don't understand how anyone could possibly overlook this glaring flaw. The film is also shockingly racist.

  • d | July 18, 2012 4:34 PM

    And you just quoted me and said things like, "wow. Very impressive." I actually only said something "like 'great stuff'" once, for the record. And I did counter what you said, by quoting you and pointing out, using sarcasm (which perhaps you found hard to understand), your poor reading comprehension skills, the baselessness of your comment that the racism came "from the filmmakers' perspective," and your silly use of the word "futile" to describe making a point well-understood by most people, excluding yourself obviously. And I'm the buffoon? Anyways, I've had enough of this, thanks. :)

  • AS | July 18, 2012 10:19 AM

    Exactly, you didn't counter anything I said. You just quoted me and said things like "great stuff." Wow, very impressive. Thank god there are more intelligent and articulate people out there like Stephenm, because if it wasn't for him you would have looked like a total buffoon.

  • d | July 18, 2012 12:57 AM

    "So basically you saying that by being so overtly racist, it's actually a commentary on racism?" Yeah, nice reading comprehension! I don't remember saying the movie was "overtly racist" (in fact, I think I said the opposite!), but I'm sure that's what I meant. "This is not just from Wayne's perspective, it's from the filmmakers perspective." Because you say so? Great stuff, AS. "You can sit there and defend it all you want but it's futile effort on your part." Yeah, so futile, not to mention sad, to defend a movie not only widely understood to be (yes) anti-racist but also considered by a wide majority of scholars/critics to be one of the greatest ever made. I think "pointless" would be a better word for it. STEPHENM, your contribution was quite welcome.

  • StephenM | July 17, 2012 5:57 PM

    I probably shouldn't be weighing in on this, but yes, the film is anti-racist. At the same time, the Native American characters in the film are rather paper-thin and stereotyped, and I can understand how modern audiences could be uncomfortable with it. The point of the film, though, is very much the way hatred, prejudice, and revenge can destroy a person's life, and Ethan Edwards is very much an anti-hero who threatens to become a villain. Martin, his half-Indian nephew, is the true hero of the film, coming of age over the course of their search until he can confront Ethan and stand in front of Debbie to guard her against Ethan's vengeance. There is also subtle commentary throughout the film on the way racism has permeated the society--see the point when Martin's girlfriend tells him that Debbie's mother would have wanted Ethan to kill her rather than see her become the slave/wife of a Comanche, shocking Martin and us. There is also the significant scene where Ethan and Martin discover the burned Indian village, strewn with dead bodies of women and children, all done by the US Cavalry. They even find Look, the Indian girl Martin had accidentally "married" and had mocked and resented so much, now dead, and they realize how poorly they had treated her. And you do John Ford a disservice: He was one of the most anti-racist filmmakers in Hollywood history, and he was beloved of the Native American tribes who live near Monument Valley. He gave them consistent work in his movies and they made him an honorary member of their tribe. The main Indian characters in The Searchers are played by white actors, it is true, but all the rest of the Indian extras seen in battle scenes and the like are genuine Native Americans.

  • AS | July 17, 2012 4:21 PM

    That's just sad. So basically you saying that by being so overtly racist, it's actually a commentary on racism? That's laughable. Take a look at every western Wayne made. The Native Americans are always the bad guys and he's always the good guy. And it's not just his character, it's every white character. And it's not just the characters themselves, it's the way Ford depicts the NA. Like I said, they are depicted as savages. This is not just from Wayne's perspective, it's from the filmmakers perspective. Also, Ford didn't even attempt to hire Native American actors to portray the Comanche. He just got a bunch of white guys and put face paint on them (which only adds the overall campy nature of the film). You can sit there and defend it all you want but it's futile effort on your part.

  • d | July 17, 2012 4:05 PM

    I'm not about to expend a lot of energy, because plenty of writing has already been done on the subject (which you could look up.) The racism in the movie IS pretty blatant, because the movie is ABOUT racism. Do you know why it's regarded as one of the great American films? Well, it's not just because it's a rousing adventure movie, it's because it's among the only westerns to take racism as its primary subject, and by far the most frank and powerful depiction. Ethan Edwards and the movie are not the same thing. He's not a hero. The movie makes clear that Ethan is driven by racism, that he even hates members of his own family if they're mixed-blood (Martin). He spends the entire movie trying to find and conceivably kill his kidnapped niece because in his mind, she's better off dead than living "with a buck." And after all this, the happy ending only comes by way of a change of heart -- he and his racism don't "win." You might also consider the parallels between Ethan and Scar before you make them out to be polar opposites. "To claim this film is not racist is to claim that The Birth of a Nation is not racist either." Are you fucking kidding me?

  • AS | July 17, 2012 1:05 PM

    It's pretty blatant, but okay...

    The Native Americans are presented as one dimensional savages whose very existence threatens any safety or peace the white people could ever hope to enjoy. They are viewed as primitives who systematically kidnap poor, innocent white women and turn them into Comanches. Take a look at the scene halfway through the film when Ethan comes across the white women who managed to survive indian "captivity." The women are depicted as frightened, wide-eyed and insane. The bystander says "It's hard to believe they're white," to which Mr. Wanye replies "They aint white, not any more. They're Comanch." This suggests, of course, that the Comanches are not even human. They're depicted as being something lower, more primal and savage. The REAL humans, as we know, are the white people! To claim this film is not racist is to claim that The Birth of a Nation is not racist either. But go ahead, make your case.

  • d | July 17, 2012 12:06 PM

    You called the film "shockingly racist" without articulating why you thought it was. Either make a case for The Searcher's "shocking racism," or... etc, etc.

  • AS | July 17, 2012 11:53 AM

    I called the film "shockingly racist." Then you called ME a moron without articulating why you thought I was. Either make a case defending The Searchers against my claim, or risk rendering your comment irrelevant.

  • d | July 17, 2012 11:28 AM

    Funny, I didn't see where you presented anything that resembled an argument.

  • AS | July 17, 2012 11:21 AM

    Nope, you were just trolling. You didn't present anything that might even resemble a counter-argument.

  • d | July 17, 2012 11:13 AM

    As thoughtful a response as your comment deserved.

  • AS | July 17, 2012 10:52 AM

    Brilliant response. You've clearly shown me...

  • d | July 17, 2012 10:28 AM

    "The film is also shockingly racist." Wow. Moron.

  • Zack | July 17, 2012 10:16 AMReply

    I get what you're trying to do with this, but IMDB users are not "serious critics"; they were made in a factory so YouTube commenters would have someone to feel superior to.

  • daniel | July 17, 2012 12:14 PM

    @Maicol: The critics at Mubi are 1) serious critics who often work for (other) legitimate publications, 2) knowledgeable about film, and so 3) nothing like IMDb critics.

  • maicol | July 17, 2012 12:02 PM

    Now that's what I call wit! Have you guys checked out mubi.com? It's like the film elitist's IMDB. The reviews on there are worth a hoot/look.

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