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Q & A: Rodrigo Garcia and Jon Avnet Break the Mold with Star-Powered, Women-Centric Web Channel, WIGS

by Maggie Lange
May 15, 2012 11:26 AM
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TOH: Tell me about the beginning of WIGS.
JA: It started off rather modestly. We worked on this script about all these different women, with Glenn Close, Holly Hunter, and Cameron Diaz - "Things You Can Tell Just By Looking at Her."  Three years ago, we were having lunch and talking about the internet and the world of film.  Women's roles came up.  We thought about doing a bunch of shorts, professionally shot, one day per short.  We met with [YouTube] and we decided we wanted to do a channel.

WIGS Creators Rodrigo Garcia and Jon Avnet with their stars at YouTube UpFront 2012
Business Insider WIGS Creators Rodrigo Garcia and Jon Avnet with their stars at YouTube UpFront 2012

TOH: What's the goal of WIGS?
JA:  Rodrigo had a phrase about the internet: 'It's there for a second, then it's not.'  We wanted to make something that might be lasting.  What he wrote was very exciting and challenging: how do you tell stories in five to eight minutes?  When you walk outside your comfort zone you learn a lot.

TOH: Why YouTube?  What are the benefits of this format?
RG: We both worked on movies with female characters and targeted towards a female audience.  We thought: why not the web?  It felt like an underserved segment of people - adult women - and the fastest growing one…What the internet offers, and YouTube represents a clearly incredible platform where the numbers are staggering and you get instant feedback. People immediately tell you what they're thinking.  That's frightening and pretty exciting. You have a dialogue with the audience, it's not just a one-way thing you get from critics.  This is a platform where things can live and better and find an audience. There's more time.

TOH: Who do you imagine will be the audience for WIGS?
RG: Well, WIGS is different because it's not targeted to really young people. A lot of the series could be interesting to teenage or college age, but we wanted to target full grown women. Mature women. When we say mature, we mean about 24 onwards.

JA:  Having done movies that have reached a large audience, it's difficult to guess who is interested. I haven't successfully guessed the audience yet.  For "Jan," I guess 15-year-olds could find it enjoyable, they might like the guy in it.  But this is for people who are going through their first job or have been through it: it's a romanticized nightmare.

TOH: Are YouTube channels and short series the wave of the future?
JA: Rodrigo and I don't know, we aren't experts, we're filmmakers and storytellers.  But it seems likely.  Everything is going to converge over time, so I think any of us aren't going to surprised that there will be a proliferation of real content, professional content on the web. If this is the watershed moment, that would be great.  What we have going for us is great people, the support of a large platform, and real advertising backing the play.

The question is: will an audience want to consume it on this platform?  I think we spent our life trying to make things as good as possible, making content that's moving and entertaining, but it remains to be seen whether these things will happen.  Targeted audiences can be capricious consumers.  There will be others and other great stuff, made for the same reasons we are doing it for -- the freedom.

TOH: What about this short format; does writing for the web is cutting things short?
RG: It's not either-or.  This gives us the opportunity to tell the stuff in shorter segments. Some things are suited to three hours on the large screen, or some things are suited to one hour episodes.  Everything has to do with pacing. George Bernard Shaw said the length of the play should be dictated by the size of the human bladder.  Web suits shorter episodes, for watching on the phone or iPad perhaps. It's another great way to tell stories.

TOH: Do you see the pace of consumption changing?
JA: I missed the first full season of "Mad Men," and my lawyer send it to me in Blu-ray. I watched the first season in less than 24 hours.  I think my experience doing that, with downloads, people can watch 12 episodes of something in a row.  Or as a guilty pleasure at their desk during lunch.

TOH: Tell me about the range of characters that you will explore in WIGS?
JA: We do a lot.  The first one were doing is about a young woman's first job; we thought it was something most women experience. 

RG: Next, we have a short film with Jennifer Garner about a woman in a confessional.  And then a woman struggling with a secret she keeps from her son, one with aging parents, a woman obsessed with food over sex.

JA: The one we referred to as food porn.

RG: And a professional poker player. We narrowed it by calling each one after a woman's name, looking at her life, her hurdles, her problems.

JA: We have a woman in the army, nurses in the recovery offices, a yoga therapist, one or two actresses. It's a pretty broad group.

TOH: 'Jan' is your first series.  What's the most thrilling thing about the debut?
JA: I was interested in exploring a woman's first job. It's like a right of passage, and I thought that in life you never know how it's going to end.  It was liberating to me to write it, watching a life unfold in dramatic circumstances, almost a guilty pleasure of watching voyeuristically something you're about to go through, you're going through, and the unlikely relationships that form under pressure.  It's like that saying, 'I make a great second impression.' People are far more complex than they appear to be.  People are harsh and make harsh judgments.

TOH: Mr. Garcia, you're doing the next piece, "Serena" a short with Jennifer Garner and Alfred Molina.  What's the hook of this show?
RG: I love taking a situation where you think you know what's going on, but you don't know the secret lives of people. This about about the way you cannot tell what's going on with someone. The setting of the confessional is a place that the truth will come out, but there is still a great room for surprise where people are ostensibly speaking the truth, but there is something about her we don't know.

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  • Barbara Everett Heintz | October 13, 2012 11:45 PMReply

    My life is a collage of Fried Green Tomatos, Salvation on Sand Mountain, mixed it with Grapes of Wrath. Had I written my book, "Pinkhoneysuckle," in the separate southern stories it tells of a woman from mid century, the madness, the abuse, the diaspora which would change many self reliant agrari an families in to what all rust belt cities would reclassify us as, "The White Trash, and The Rednecks bunch of louts, then I would have died begging that someone would remember us. I need someone who can change lives to read, "Pinkhoneysuckle," and if all you care about is the free material -- That is alright with me, but I want someone to show Martin Luther Kings assessment and belief that We children, white or black, were, "Poor Little Children," out in those cotton patches. We needed help then, but NAACP was against showing the ragged white kids. John Kennedy was our last hope until we got through about fory years of turning our scenic little fa Belrms and towns in to where ghosts walk, and I tell them; "Old Friend, Dearly Beloveds, I got the book out, but who will listen. I have awards from San Francisco and a First Place Award in Hollywood, but it looks too long to master in a film or to read on an airplane flight. I took it to Sonoma, and hands down they said my book cover deserved an award, and I told them that hose pictures were my Mama and Daddy, but I want the world to know how we were destroyed in the symbolic Midnight Raid when our country decided that poor whites, especially, they could make it up north with some cheap wine and their crop allotments down to almost nothing.
    So I am begging some of you to look up me on Amazon; Barbara Everett Heintz, "Pinkhoneysuckle," the first book I have published and see what my reviewers are saying. You who participated in Fried Green Tomatos will recognize the self mutilating humor, for we southerners are a funny bunch, especially when we are so broken we cannot walk. I am asking you to n read about one woman, the one I would sacrifice, 'Me," to show you we were not of this world, and the lowest expectation we had was not as low as it sould get.

    Can anyone hear us or help those left behind? Or are the women and children who were told to keep their mouths shut just too consistently looking with their heads down, and meth with everything else going through there has changed what was us -- Our land, our food, and the clothes on our backs in to a pit where we cannot even cook our fried green tomatoes anymore.

    Please be merciful to us, and check out my book on Amazon, and you are apt to see why I rack up five stars and incredible reviews, for people say they lived next door to us, but they did not know. Mr. Jon Arnet, or Ms. Shannon Silverman, I hope to hear from you, and I can take you places where you will be welcome if you act like a local. Pleaase hear me, after all of these years, when I knew the story had to go forth, for last near at this time, I was near death.
    Oh Please; Will you share the mercy of film to show the lives of folks who could not even escape to the seashore?
    Blessings and Many Thanks --2012 Wildcard Festival Winner in Hollywood with, "Pinkhoneysuckle," and Honorable mention in San Francisco, for I placed it in the wrong category. I will dry your tears when it is too heartvbreaking.
    Lovingly, Barb -- Amazon, Kindle Ready, and Create Space

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